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Dog owners are crazy





handfleisch
Does anybody else notice that many dog owners are a little nuts, and increasingly nuts in proportion to the number of dogs they have?
deanhills
True. And if it is a crazy dog owner, it won't take long for the dog to take on some of the crazy characteristics too. For example of the owner is highly strung, the dog can turn into highly strung too, or if the owner is lazy and walks slow and stooped, the dog can become less energetic too.
handfleisch
Hoarders are extreme but the same traits are in many people with even one or two dogs.
tonberry
The video is fake, people in those programs are always ordinary people looking to make some extra money. The 'acting' says it all. There are probably as many crazy dog owners as there are cat owners. Crazy people are active in all kinds of circles Very Happy
codegeek
My friend, an avid dog owner, is prone to kissing his dogs on the mouth. It seems especially disgusting to me, having seen his dogs eat their own shit on many occasions. Very Happy
tonberry
codegeek wrote:
My friend, an avid dog owner, is prone to kissing his dogs on the mouth. It seems especially disgusting to me, having seen his dogs eat their own shit on many occasions. Very Happy


Love makes people do lots of stupid things Smile
grofet
For me, a lazy person should not allowed to have pet since the animal can be so suffer. It would be better the animal released to the wild rather than keep by the lazy person. Animal is also a life creature like us that have right to enjoy life in freedom.
bulleting89
u must love cats very much
Nick2008
Just about anything in large quantities is bad. People need to control and restrict their desires.
fuzzkaizer
well, it is in most cases the decision of the owner, to have a dog. the dog is almost never asked to choose his owner. so having a dog is in most cases an egoistic business of the owner. and the dog is in fact a victim, although, or even more, when he is called 'best friend' or something. by atributing some human-like relationships to the man-dog-matter, people mostly try do disguise something...
tonberry
I'm slowly turning into a Frihost's dog representative and am I'm starting to think I should get paid for this...

Fuzzkaizer, I completely disagree Smile According to the logic presented, children are also victims of people's egoistic decisions. I just don't understand the pathological mind that stands behind making a decision to have a boy or a girl. This needs to stop, there is just to much suffering attached as sex is not a victimless crime.

Dog is human's best friend because he gets attached to his owner more than most people attach to another being and there is no projection in it. As for their selflessness towards the rest, talk to people working in mountain rescue and they will tell you stories about their St. Bernards I guarantee you wouldn't believe Smile

Not all races are like that of course, some get only attached to one owner and don't care about the rest, some act towards everyone like their owners, but it's in their DNA to seek the deep emotional connection with their owner and their mental health is usually a direct reflection of its quality.
LxGoodies
tonberry wrote:
I'm slowly turning into a Frihost's dog representative and am I'm starting to think I should get paid for this...

Fuzzkaizer, I completely disagree Smile According to the logic presented, children are also victims of people's egoistic decisions. I just don't understand the pathological mind that stands behind making a decision to have a boy or a girl. This needs to stop, there is just to much suffering attached as sex is not a victimless crime.

Dog is human's best friend because he gets attached to his owner more than most people attach to another being and there is no projection in it. As for their selflessness towards the rest, talk to people working in mountain rescue and they will tell you stories about their St. Bernards I guarantee you wouldn't believe Smile

Not all races are like that of course, some get only attached to one owner and don't care about the rest, some act towards everyone like their owners, but it's in their DNA to seek the deep emotional connection with their owner and their mental health is usually a direct reflection of its quality.


You assume a lot. e.g. I am sure people project. Attribute. E.g. dogs can recognize some words, they don't follow conversation, we just think that. Or think that we feel that. Dogs are often misunderstood. There are dog owners, that treat their "best friend" quite badly and are not aware that they do !

Actually I love dogs. I've known a lot of dogs in my life, I've been a dog trainer for a short while. Repairing traumatized dogs actually (and sometimes the dog owners that came with them) and I agree with fuzzkaiser: dogs don't choose the arrangement. At best, they regard their boss as a superior being. Else they will compete with you, try to boss you. That is all hoard instinct. When a human feeds the dog, the dog will become dependent . Frustrated, when you don't boss it clearly. And that's where the trouble starts. Feeding is simple. Making a dog regard you as the boss.. is more difficult.. projection is easy, sometimes dogs are treated as children. Result is an unhappy dog.. or an agressive dog.
tonberry
Perhaps some assumptions on your part?

"I am sure people project" - assumption and generalization with little conviction (otherwise the "I am sure" part does not belong here - it would if there would be "I believe" and "I think" on my part in the last post, but there wasn't any)
"E.g. dogs can recognize some words, they don't follow conversation, we just think that." - who thinks that? schizophrenics? another assumption and another generalization

All the problems you mention can be traced back to lack of responsibility and proper education before and after making a decision to get a dog. Animal nature is the most popular excuse after something drastic happens including the dog playing the main part.

Just like a human being can spark in anger and punch his fellow mate "because", animals do that to (except no punching, unless we are talking about kangaroos!). If you're interested in the subject, you can read book-testimonies about African Wild Dogs and wolves to see how the raw psyche of those creatures works. Certainly no vicious biting because of "hoard instinct", even among wolves who were so demonized by the media throughout the years.

It all comes down to bad relationships, encouraging bad habits etc. I know not everyone can understand the psychology behind the dog and its relationship to a human, but this is not the reason to be excused but rather to not buy the dog at all in the first place.
sorgroundseo
Great Video Laughing
jajarvin
A dog is a man's best friend.

Please do not forget it.
Daja
codegeek wrote:
My friend, an avid dog owner, is prone to kissing his dogs on the mouth. It seems especially disgusting to me, having seen his dogs eat their own shit on many occasions. Very Happy
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Well, I sure hope you don't kiss people either, seeing how they're always rubbing their mouth on each other's genitals, ew!
jajarvin
codegeek wrote:
My friend, an avid dog owner, is prone to kissing his dogs on the mouth.

So let us kiss Question
standready
I know a few cat owners who are more than just a little insane.
skon88
I think that probably true to an extent because of some crazy thing they do with the dogs like allowing dogs lick your mouth and other stuffs that are irritating.
amagard
tonberry wrote:
The video is fake, people in those programs are always ordinary people looking to make some extra money. The 'acting' says it all. There are probably as many crazy dog owners as there are cat owners. Crazy people are active in all kinds of circles Very Happy


I think cat owners are more crazy than dog owners because they think they own a cat. The opposite is true: their cat owns them.
Insanity
I think the lots of dogs and cats are just a symptom of a larger problem to their personality.
BigGeek
LxGoodies wrote:
You assume a lot. e.g. I am sure people project. Attribute. E.g. dogs can recognize some words, they don't follow conversation, we just think that.


tonberry wrote:
"E.g. dogs can recognize some words, they don't follow conversation, we just think that." - who thinks that? schizophrenics? another assumption and another generalization



Actually - I have to beg to differ - I saw a program on PBS about Dogs - really informative - they proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that these two border collies and a standard poodle had between 500 and 600 word vocabulary and giving them verbal commands like "Go through the tunnel on the left and bring back the red ball" and by god the dog would do it! They showed complex commands and full understanding repeatedly during the tests. They obviously understood simple instructions in the form of sentences.

The other thing that was incredible about the program was they totally proved dogs can see color - they put up gray dots that were the gray scale equivalent of what a dog should see as red, blue, and yellow. And commanded the dogs to press on the red dot, or yellow dot, they sat there cocking there head and whining all confused, they then put up dots that were red, blue, and yellow, and the dog pawed or nosed it EVERY TIME - they repeated it with the other dogs as well - pretty much disproved the dogs only see black and white.

They also compared dogs to chimps for intelligence - although the chimps are considered much smarter than a dog, the dogs in every intelligence and training test out performed the apes every time - the biggest problem they noted is that the chimps didn't want anything to do with the humans and could not bring themselves to pay attention to them - where the dogs were totally focused - absorbed in the work and wanted to please the humans - the chimps could care less.

Although they did a shell game test with the dogs and the apes, put a treat under the cup and mixed them around - the pointed out how much better the dog was at paying attention and getting the treat every time compared to the chimps 50% correct guesses - I had to call foul on that one - the dog could be blind folded and pick the treat every time - their sense of smell gives that test a null meaning!

Just had to share that!!
LxGoodies
My remark was about human conversation, not directives or training. You can learn a dog to respond to hundreds of words, indeed.

But this was about something different.

Whenever you talk to another person with a dog present, the dog is showing attention. it keeps looking at the person who speaks. It seems to listen. When you mension e.g. the dog's name, it will show even more curiosity and wiggle its tail. The dog really seems to follow the conversation. However it does not. Not really. When I was a kid I experimented with a friend. We set up a conversation about "Harry" our dog. Without changing intonation, smiling, we proposed to kill Harry, feed Harry to the snakes, or hang Harry out to dry, tie him to a tree and abandon him, etc.. the dog wiggled its tail. Of course.. Harry did not understand a word.. however, Harry understood we were talking about him. That seemed enough to please Harry. Dogs are very social.
deanhills
Well I don't think it's only dog owners who are nuts. All people are nuts. I'd go as far to say that dog or pet owners are a little less nuts because they are socially connected with someone they talk to and take care off on a daily basis, whereas those who don't have pets or family, may become completely socially disconnected and act out of touch and weird. Pets help keep us sane and more connected with the world.
fuzzkaizer
gradually but throughly we get to some core things of human existence... first of all, all people are somehow crazy, I agree on that...
all right, let's forget the dogs then! somehow we have to stay connected to the world and in touch with things, I completely see the point! We have to start to take care of all the things that surround us! Maybe we even have to communicate somehow with objects, and also with dogs, and maybe even with other humans!
And if we kindly ask the spoons, chairs, trees, stones and plastic bottles of this world, they surely will help us to keep us sane, I am absolutely convinced! Rolling Eyes
johans
I am not in-favor of the subject.

Pet lovers are not crazy. they just love to have pets when they need someone or they are alone. I used to have a dog and i like it. they give us moves that fun to watch when your at home.
fuzzkaizer
If it is just for that, easily you could buy yourself a TV-set, or a DVD-player or something like that: It also gives you movies that are fun to watch when you are at home!
BigGeek
LxGoodies wrote:
My remark was about human conversation, not directives or training. You can learn a dog to respond to hundreds of words, indeed.

But this was about something different.

Whenever you talk to another person with a dog present, the dog is showing attention. it keeps looking at the person who speaks. It seems to listen. When you mension e.g. the dog's name, it will show even more curiosity and wiggle its tail. The dog really seems to follow the conversation. However it does not. Not really. When I was a kid I experimented with a friend. We set up a conversation about "Harry" our dog. Without changing intonation, smiling, we proposed to kill Harry, feed Harry to the snakes, or hang Harry out to dry, tie him to a tree and abandon him, etc.. the dog wiggled its tail. Of course.. Harry did not understand a word.. however, Harry understood we were talking about him. That seemed enough to please Harry. Dogs are very social.


I totally agree with this - I look sternly at my dog and she cowers and runs out of the room - I tell her in a really friendly voice - it's time to beat the dog, come over here and get your beating - and she runs over and jumps up on the couch and rolls over to get her belly rubbed - yup that's her beating for the day I tell her. So yes I agree they act like the understand conversations but they do not - Fully!

Although I say that and I had a 8 lb. Poodle for 13 years - the last 2 years of his life - if I asked him to go to the Grocery Store - he would sit on the couch and look at me and not want to go - which was not normal because he always wanted to go 'bye bye' but when I would ask him to go to Home Depot - or Pet Smart - stores he could go in with me - he would jump up and run over the the door wanting to go. It could have been the sound of my voice - but as many times as it happened I really began to thing he understood. I know he understood colors - he had a package of 4 squishy rubber golf balls - one was red, yellow, blue, and green. If I told him - go get the green ball - by god he would come back with the green one, if I said - no let's play with the blue ball - and told him to go get it, he would run off and a few minutes later come back with the blue ball. He used to amaze me with that sort of behavior - So I think most dogs don't understand whole sentences - and some do Smile
deanhills
BigGeek wrote:
LxGoodies wrote:
My remark was about human conversation, not directives or training. You can learn a dog to respond to hundreds of words, indeed.

But this was about something different.

Whenever you talk to another person with a dog present, the dog is showing attention. it keeps looking at the person who speaks. It seems to listen. When you mension e.g. the dog's name, it will show even more curiosity and wiggle its tail. The dog really seems to follow the conversation. However it does not. Not really. When I was a kid I experimented with a friend. We set up a conversation about "Harry" our dog. Without changing intonation, smiling, we proposed to kill Harry, feed Harry to the snakes, or hang Harry out to dry, tie him to a tree and abandon him, etc.. the dog wiggled its tail. Of course.. Harry did not understand a word.. however, Harry understood we were talking about him. That seemed enough to please Harry. Dogs are very social.


I totally agree with this - I look sternly at my dog and she cowers and runs out of the room - I tell her in a really friendly voice - it's time to beat the dog, come over here and get your beating - and she runs over and jumps up on the couch and rolls over to get her belly rubbed - yup that's her beating for the day I tell her. So yes I agree they act like the understand conversations but they do not - Fully!

Although I say that and I had a 8 lb. Poodle for 13 years - the last 2 years of his life - if I asked him to go to the Grocery Store - he would sit on the couch and look at me and not want to go - which was not normal because he always wanted to go 'bye bye' but when I would ask him to go to Home Depot - or Pet Smart - stores he could go in with me - he would jump up and run over the the door wanting to go. It could have been the sound of my voice - but as many times as it happened I really began to thing he understood. I know he understood colors - he had a package of 4 squishy rubber golf balls - one was red, yellow, blue, and green. If I told him - go get the green ball - by god he would come back with the green one, if I said - no let's play with the blue ball - and told him to go get it, he would run off and a few minutes later come back with the blue ball. He used to amaze me with that sort of behavior - So I think most dogs don't understand whole sentences - and some do Smile
Totally agree with Poodles being smart in that way. I remember when I gave my dad a Maltese puppy for a birthday present (totally shocked him), but that little puppy was smart enough to know how to navigate around obstacles such as holes and things in the garden that it could easily have fallen into. Instead of walking in a straight line and fall into one, it would navigate completely round out of its stride. They just seem to have some instinctive smarts around them. So I'd imagine when they're grown it could develop into something interesting as you've just explained.
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