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Politics? Does it hurt us?





beyondntech
Tell us more about your countries politics.

Share the politics that have been happening around the world and let everyone know certain things that is happening in the country as we need the insiders to tell us more about the politics that is happening within their own country and how it makes them feel about the changes taking place with regards to the politics that implemented such happenings.

The great news is always from the horse's mouth.
watersoul
Do you want to start the discussion by telling us about your own countries politics?
Nick2008
This is a great question and you'll probably get different responses from different countries, but overall I believe the consensus would be that politics is generally a negative influence.

Here in the United States, we may have some of the world's most followed politics, but internally it has divided the American people. The fault lies in the two-party system which splits the country apart, it's not even so much that the two partys' views are radically different (in fact, the two parties, Democrat and Republican, are actually very similar in global perspective) but it's that they bicker with each other just because. Everybody here plays the blame game, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are openly willing to admit their mistakes (and both parties have made many), they much prefer to blame the problems on the other side.

Here, Republicans are constantly blaming Obama for the economy and America's slowdown, but even a high school student knows that the amount of power the president has to change the economy is laughable. Democrats enjoy blaming the Republicans for everything, they say that this recession started because of Bush and that they are fixing the mess now (yes, the U.S. economy has been improving in the past years, but it is NOT because of the Democrats, rather it's the natural rebound of the economy).

Most of our political ads here prefer to attack the other side and emphasize the faults of their opponents, rather than outline what they're going to do. Honestly, the more a candidate derides his opponent in ads, the less I think of him. I much prefer candidates to not throw any attacks whatsoever at the other side and simply discuss their ideas and plans for their 4-year term, then I actually consider them.

I don't like either political party because they are corrupt institutions looking to progress their agendas rather than progress the country as a whole. To be honest, I wish there were no political parties at all, just multiple candidates to choose from. That would actually require people to pay attention to the candidates' ideas and principles rather than just (like many voters here) be like "I'm voting for Mitt Romney because he's a Republican, and I'm a Republican." Some people don't even know what his plans are, they voted for him just because of party affiliation.

I could care less about what party the candidates are from, I listen to their ideas and plans and then make a decision of who I believe is most qualified to lead. This election season, I supported Ron Paul but he did not go far in the Republican nomination (the GOP rigged the convention delegates big time to shut out Ron Paul).

Finally, the last problem with politics here is that there are many people I've met who are "fiscally conservative and socially liberal." In other words, they believe we need serious cuts in spending and expenditures but they're OK on topics such as abortion and gay marriage. I'm one of those people and we always find election season lonely because we're always stuck in between the two parties. This popular view was only represented by a third-party candidate, Gary Johnson, but he didn't even get 5% of the vote because of the influence the two-party system has over the American people.

Ultimately, modern-day politics in the U.S. have been more negative than positive and the two-party system fails to make space for the viewpoint held by many Americans (they have the notion that third party candidates are "unelectable" and that therefore they "have to" choose between Republican (fiscally conservative) or Democrat (socially liberal)).
taytay
I'm in USA, and in a way I think it can. There needs to be a balance. Right now I think it's very unbalanced, with too much power given to the government. There's supposed to be a checks and balances system to keep it balanced and in check, but the scale has been tipped and things aren't going so well anymore...
deanhills
taytay wrote:
I'm in USA, and in a way I think it can. There needs to be a balance. Right now I think it's very unbalanced, with too much power given to the government. There's supposed to be a checks and balances system to keep it balanced and in check, but the scale has been tipped and things aren't going so well anymore...
Good point. I'd say however the balance is also on the side of the banking corporations. Never in our lives before have banks had this much power before.
handfleisch
deanhills wrote:
taytay wrote:
I'm in USA, and in a way I think it can. There needs to be a balance. Right now I think it's very unbalanced, with too much power given to the government. There's supposed to be a checks and balances system to keep it balanced and in check, but the scale has been tipped and things aren't going so well anymore...
Good point. I'd say however the balance is also on the side of the banking corporations. Never in our lives before have banks had this much power before.

Also, the US government takes very little in taxes compare to all the other industrialized nations.


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/04/08/1834981/the-us-collects-less-in-taxes-than-all-but-two-industrialized-countries/

Actually, that is a big problem-- the gov't is in a weakened economic position to take care of basic things.
chuwachuwa
politics in my country sucks, i wish the whole govt was for sale
chuwachuwa
Issues of Religion, Politics and Socio-Economic Violence in my country. The so called leaders are the only ones getting rich and its a bit obvious now that, you need to know someone in office before getting a job. leaders using religion as a means to destabilize the country so they can line their pockets
ocalhoun
chuwachuwa wrote:
politics in my country sucks, i wish the whole govt was for sale

Believe me, that's not a good thing either.
We did that in the US, and the highest bidders bought the government, and now look where we are.
amagard
Quote:
"The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'."

Larry Hardiman
No, seriously, this is a very good discussion thread and I really like the way Nick2008 has put it.

Quote:
... but it's that they bicker with each other just because. Everybody here plays the blame game ...


This is exactly all what politics is all about. From a project management class I remember the saying: "Where there are people there are politics". Leading and managing a country or city to me actually is not politics ( well, it is, unfortunately, but it shouldn't be ). Politics is the dirty game people play to gain advantages for a price others have to pay.

Politics is saying bad things about others instead of saying good things or coming up with a solid and constructive feedback. Lying about own achievements and objectives. Manipulating and tricking people. "Out-smart" others. Fighting against others, instead of collaborating. Giving speeches you have already heard a hundred times.

I bet in that sense politics is almost the same in every country.
donfilipo
beyondntech wrote:
Tell us more about your countries politics.
....


Well it's not much different in the basic facts, as in other liberal democratic and capitalistic countries. We have 5 political parties in parliament..but they are kind of also split in two sites. Social liberal and fiscal conservative. Ok..there is a difference...in EU social liberal is more social democratic with an approval attitude to what you in USA call socialism:)...that is welfare state. Let's say in Denmark if you are unemployed..maybe somehow ill or incapable to work, you will still survive. Quite solid life. Medical care is universal for citizens and in principle everyone can get it. If he has money or not. Schools are free for citizens..and even for members of EU...also higher education is tuition free. Denmark is known to be a very social pleasant country to live...although taxes as you saw them, are high.

Well my country (Slovenija) is in principle pretty similar, but the survival of unemployed and sick persons is much heavier though the sums of social care are triple lover (also the salaries)...but the prices of groceries almost the same.

There are some tricks in calculating the percentage of taxes in GDP (some abductions from salary are obligate by law..but not legally counted as taxes. Although the trick is simple by name..there still is some legal difference...so it happens oft, that the employer does not pay for pension fond for workers...cause it's not called tax... on the other site Slovenia is not on the top tax burdened countries of OECD.

Trick similar to this. Minetoyota:) is known to have to much sherrifs. So they have fired them half....but employed them back as order officers Very Happy

Ok to conclude USA are not the worst country to live in...but on the other side life there especially for poor and sick could be much better. As a matter of fact it could be the best on the world. I think.
kaysch
Over here in Germany there is a multi-party system at various levels (federal, regional and local) with elections taking place somewhere every few months. Traditionally governments are formed by two parties entering into a coalition.

That system has several characteristics:
- Many political measurements are the result of an inter-party compromise
- After the outcome of an election, various parties will have to negotiate. New parties are often inexperienced and therefore attractive negotiation partners.
- So young parties can get into government pretty quickly, even if they only cover one political topic. That is a strong incentive for people to found new parties and for old parties to react to a new development before a young party can even be founded.

beyondntech asked for an example how international events affect national politics. I will pick the ongoing publications about US, UK and F secret services to collect data. While most Germans will agree that it is necessary to have a secret service to collect data, that subject sparks a lot of fears. We had two dictatorships in the 20th century and both collected a massive amount of data through their secret services to be able to control their citizens.

There are at least 2 parties (the “free democrats” and the “pirates”) which voters associate with citizen’s rights. So in order not to lose many votes in the upcoming federal election in September Ms Merkel was quick to announce that the government will stop a programme to collect certain data.

Just for the sake of the argument let’s assume for a moment that in July an islamist group carries out a terrorist attack at Frankfurt airport with hundreds of people killed or wounded. You will then probably see that voters want less citizens rights and more control by the state. Voters associate that with Neonazi parties and the “Christian democrats”. So Ms Merkel will be very quick to announce that the programme to collect data will be intensified and that her government will do its best to protect its citizens.

Over here people are very quick in changing their minds, and Ms Merkel is extremely popular because she follows every mood swing of the public, whatever it may be. And that is due to the political system we have in place.
handfleisch
Depends what you mean by "politics".

In the USA, the political talk shows on the radio, which have a big effect because Americans spend so much time in their cars, has a very negative effect on the country. The "Conservative Entertainment Complex", as one responsible conservative David Frum puts it, just constantly lies to the public and fills people's heads with basic, serious falsehoods. As a conservative, he says it's why the Republicans and conservative movement is almost destroyed right now.

This hurts the USA as you have a large percentage of people who actually believe bizarre and false claims that, for example, Obama is working hard to take away their guns, that the government is building secret camps to imprison "patriots", that the government fluoridation program is designed to make people stupid and docile, that the government is listening to every phone call and can read any email at will at any moment, that the US is making drastic cuts to its military that endangers the country, that Obama is a secret Muslim who is on the sides of terrorists, that liberals cause school shootings, that Agenda 21 is an evil mind-control plot to abolish suburbs, that the US dollar is ready to collapse and so you better buy gold, etc etc. Right wing radio hosts, who are mostly white men, also constantly push racial resentment, borderline white supremacy, and general misogyny.



http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/5-ways-right-wing-taking-crazy-new-heights?page=0%2C1

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/onearth/2013/03/agenda_21_no_the_government_isn_t_going_to_confiscate_your_property.html

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/11/frum-republicans-lied-to-by-conservative-entertainment-149120.html
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