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The exploition of children by the ACLU





S3nd K3ys
It's widely accepted that the ACLU is a far left organization.
It's not widely know what the ACLU actually stands up for and fights for.

The ACLU is defending the North American Man Boy Love Association,
saying that although the organization champions the criminal rape of
children, it has a right to do that under free expression
.

The ACLU endorses virtual child pornography and has defended the
right of people to obtain real child porn.


Here are some quotes I got from the NAMBLA web site.

It Shouldn't Be a Crime to Make Love. Bryan, age 12 1/2

I'm Not Going To Be Kept Away from Him (An Interview). Thijs, age 11

Sex Is Really Beautiful with My Friend
. Dennis, age 13

Man, What a Feeling! Eric, age 14

Because I Enjoy It (An Interview). Theo, age 13

Thank God for Boy-Lovers. Victor, age 14

The ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin (in his own words): I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.

I'm not sure about you, but I am very troubled by both NAMBLA and the ACLU.
SunburnedCactus
I have to agree with you there. I mean, there's left and then there is this. Definitely crosses far too many lines.

Quote:
The ACLU is defending the North American Man Boy Love Association,
saying that although the organization champions the criminal rape of
children, it has a right to do that under free expression.

The ACLU endorses virtual child pornography and has defended the
right of people to obtain real child porn.


This isn't just extreme. It is thoroughly obscene.
Bondings
S3nd K3ys, there are neonazis, kkk, murderers, religious fanatics and a lot of other extremist organisations on this world trying to come up for their so-called rights. Why are you so amazed that pedophiles are trying to do the same thing?
S3nd K3ys
Bondings wrote:
S3nd K3ys, there are neonazis, kkk, murderers, religious fanatics and a lot of other extremist organisations on this world trying to come up for their so-called rights. Why are you so amazed that pedophiles are trying to do the same thing?


Well, Bondings, the KKK is losing badly and has been for decades. I haven't heard anything about the ACLU supporting them. I may research it 'just for you'. Murderers/rapists also have the backing of the ACLU. Religious fenatics definately have the backing of the ACLU. (Oh, and yes, Bondings, ANTI-religious fanatics are fanatics too... Wink )

This post was as much about exploition as it was about the ACLU. Lets save the racial/religious/murderers for other threads, shall we? (Not that I could ever run out of topics to start here Very Happy )
gonzo
somnific
are those quotes from kids who want to engage in activities with other kids ? or are they talking about older men ?


thats really hard to believe...and im not checking out that nambla website cos im in a public place.
tidruG
gonzo wrote:

Wow. Shocked
S3nd K3ys
somnific wrote:
are those quotes from kids who want to engage in activities with other kids ? or are they talking about older men ?


thats really hard to believe...and im not checking out that nambla website cos im in a public place.


Those are quotes from the NAMBLA website. The quotes were from minors talking about adults.

NAMBLA wrote:
These are some of the many letters and articles by youth which appear in Boys Speak Out on Man/Boy Love, published by NAMBLA in an enlarged, newly revised edition. You can order a copy of this publication (see "How to Order", below).

...

Introduction
by David Thorstad

Boy-lovers are sometimes accused of speaking for boys, rather than allowing boys to speak for themselves. This accusation has always struck me as unfair. If boys ~ and children in general ~ are denied a voice about matters of concern to them, this is not the fault of boy-lovers, but of the heterosexual authorities, and even of the adult lesbian and gay movement, which often formulates its goals as though gay children did not exist. Nobody ever bothers to ask children what they think about government efforts to cut back on child advocacy and child welfare programs, to set an arbitrary age at which they are allowed to have sex, to draft them to die in far-off wars, and so forth. Children are never consulted about sex education, efforts to censor books in school libraries, the right of young people to employment and a fair return on their labor, or whom they wish to live with. Children are powerless. A diminishing segment of American society, they are denied the vote and say-so over their own lives.

Adults are always presuming to speak for children. Nobody bats an eyelash, for instance, when adult feminists speak for young girls, asserting that this is their right since they are addressing their own past experiences as girls. Perhaps in some measure they have a right to do so. But by the same token, why should not men be able to address the experiences of boys, since after all they were once boys themselves? Often, critics of boy-lovers appear to follow a double standard designed to deny the validity of the boy-lover's experience just because he is a man. In reality, being male gives one a special insight into the experiences of other males, whatever their age. The arrogance here lies with the critics of man/boy love, not with boy-lovers. A more tolerant and understanding population would be difficult to find.

The North American Man/Boy Love Association has always provided a platform for boys to voice their views on the issue of man/boy love. With the exception of gay youth organizations, probably no other group has made a greater effort to do this. Boys have participated in our conferences, on panels, in public forums, on the radio, in NAMBLA contingents in demonstrations, and in interviews with the press.

Nevertheless, while NAMBLA listens to boys, and struggles against ageism within its own ranks, it is true that most adults and state institutions turn a deaf ear to their voices. This pamphlet is a modest effort to correct that. NAMBLA will consider expanding the pamphlet in future editions if more boys are stimulated by it to send us statements about their own experiences.

The statements presented here are in the boys' own words. They have not been edited, except for minor punctuation and spelling alterations. Some of the boys requested that their name and address be given. However, NAMBLA has decided not to give addresses, and names have been changed, so as to protect the boys and their friends from possible harassment by police or other heterosexual emissaries of the state.

Man/boy relationships are very widespread, and go on in virtually every American neighborhood. We make no claim that this compilation is "representative" of all boy experiences of the man/boy love relationship ~ though in many ways the experiences they describe are typical. Barely a dozen statements are published here. Some of the authors are gay- identified, others are not. The authors are multi-racial, and span the teenage years, but none are younger than 13. They tend to be concentrated on the East Coast of the United States. All the authors have been sexually active with men, so they do not address the thoughts and problems of the boy who would like to, but has not had the opportunity to, enjoy sex with a man. Perhaps these letters will communicate a sense of hope and self-worth to such boys, who may read them and realize that their fantasies and desires are indeed shared by others.

Not every boy who wanted to contribute was able to do so. Not everyone, for instance, no matter how old, feels comfortable putting innermost thoughts down in writing. For many, perhaps all, of the contributors to this collection, it was the first time they had ever done this. They did so because they felt strongly about the importance of speaking out. Theirs are authentic voices, and NAMBLA is proud to help make them heard.

NAMBLA is working to change public perceptions and laws about consensual sexual relationships between adults and minors. Today, the law and public prejudice make little or no distinction between a man who forcibly rapes a child and one who genuinely cares for and loves a boy. Some judges have condemned boy-lovers as being "worse than murderers," even though their only "crime" has been to share their body and affection with a boy in a friendship that includes mutually enjoyable sexual experiences. It is a shame that in American society, it is a greater crime to love a child than it is to beat ~ or even kill ~ a child.

NAMBLA believes that any child, regardless of age, should have the right to say "yes" or "no" to any person. The child should have the right to initiate the relationship, as he often does. He should have the right to enjoy and develop the relationship without fear of shame or ridicule, or of harassment by parents or police. Children should have free access to factual information about sexual relationships of all kinds, and the right to control their own bodies without interference from adults. No child is harmed by any consensual sexual experience, but children are harmed by society's condemnation and persecution of their bodily pleasures.

NAMBLA believes that children need more than just sexual freedom, but it also recognizes that the denial of sexual pleasure can inflict severe and lasting pain. It is not the proper role of the state to attempt to enforce private personal morality, nor to "protect" children from themselves by denying them exposure to homoerotic or other sexual pleasure, if they so desire. The state should stay out of private bedrooms. Unfortunately, as the current FBI and police repression against NAMBLA shows, the authorities do not hesitate to break up friendships between men and boys in their vendetta against man/boy love. The state flaunts its power over the ruined lives of innocent lovers. Only by standing up for our right to love can we ever hope to end this injustice.

David Thorstad
New York, September 1, 1981


The web site goes on to quote some of the kids...



Quote:

Love & Loyalty
The Best Thing That Ever Happened to MeGreg, age 16
I Love Him, and I Know That He Loves Me Darrel, age 16
It Shouldn't Be a Crime to Make Love Bryan, age 12 1/2
Boys Help Men, Too "College Boy", age 19
I'm Not Going To Be Kept Away from Him (An Interview) Thijs, age 11



Friendship & Fun
He Listens to Me, Unlike Most People Robert, age 16
Sex Is Really Beautiful with My Friend Dennis, age 13
The Beach Luis Miguelito de Argentina, age 13
De la Boca Chiquito Luis Miguelito de Argentina, age 13
Such a Relationship Is Very Beneficial Dan, age 19
"Air Guitar" Anton, age 14
Man, What a Feeling! Eric, age 14
Because I Enjoy It (An Interview) Theo, age 13



Respect & Support
If It Wasn't for Mark I'd Probably Be Dead Today Carl, age 14
Loneliness Mark, age 13
He Makes Me Glad I'm Gay Ed, age 14
The Politics of Ageism Michael Alhonte, age 18
I've Learned So Much from Barend (An Interview) Gerrit, age 16



Consent
Thank God for Boy-LoversVictor, age 14
For The First Time in My Life I Felt Wanted Gabriel, age 16
Gay Consciousness
I Need My Lovers Tyrone, age 16
He Was Very Special and Kind Barry, age 17
Column No. 8 "The Unicorn", age 12



Body Politics
We Should Be Able to Have the Relationships We Want George, age 17
It Was Me Who Started It Frank, age 15
Column No. 1 "The Unicorn", age 11
Four Resolutions Second International Gay Youth Congress
Dutch Gay Youth Visits San Francisco (Interview) Bertram Hoffman, age 24
It's Adults Who Are Screwed Up about Sex (from Lesbian Gay Youth Magazine)




The Sex Police: Man/Boy Love and the Law
Moms and Teens File $200M Federal Suit against Police and Bronx D.A.s for
Physical and Mental Abuse
Teens Charge Cops Threatened Them with Rape Bill Andriette
I Know What I Am: Gay Teenagers and the Law Joint Council for Gay Teenagers
"Victim" Joins NAMBLA (Interview) Harold Baker, age 16
There Were Bars on My Bedroom Window Jonah, age 12

somnific
madness, obviously the children dont know any better. what the hell are the aclu doing , fraternising with those cretins
S3nd K3ys
somnific wrote:
madness, obviously the children dont know any better. what the hell are the aclu doing , fraternising with those cretins


The ACLU is still doing some things that are good, but by and large, IMNSHO, they have no further use if they can't draw a line between obvious good and obvious bad. Grey line, I know, but this is rediculous.
LeviticusMky
Part of being non-dogmatic is that you have to let society deal with unsavory factors within it, not make law after law after law forbidding things.

I'm certain that the ACLU doesn't endorse these things, but that they cannot condemn them without being hypocritical.

"We want total freedom, except for this and this and this."
S3nd K3ys
LeviticusMky wrote:
Part of being non-dogmatic is that you have to let society deal with unsavory factors within it, not make law after law after law forbidding things.

I'm certain that the ACLU doesn't endorse these things, but that they cannot condemn them without being hypocritical.

"We want total freedom, except for this and this and this."


The ACLU provides FREE LEGAL COUNCIL for NAMBLA and others along the same lines.

If that's not endorsement, I don't know what is.
somnific
LeviticusMky wrote:

"We want total freedom, except for this and this and this."


wow, you must be really simple or something?

whats so hard to comprehend about:
we want total freedom, except for the guilty rapists, paedohiles, and violent sociopaths.


its not rocket science.
bogden
bull;
i'd bet you $20 the aclu isn't supporting the MBLA's right to commit crimes; that imposes on the rights of the children to not be raped. what i bet they _are doing is fighting for the rights of the MBLA to speak about their feelings and intents, not to actually commit the crimes.
S3nd K3ys
bogden wrote:
bull;
i'd bet you $20 the aclu isn't supporting the MBLA's right to commit crimes; that imposes on the rights of the children to not be raped. what i bet they _are doing is fighting for the rights of the MBLA to speak about their feelings and intents, not to actually commit the crimes.


Yeah. That makes it all better, doesn't it?
gonzo
inciting a crime is a crime itself
animefanlee
the ALCU does the muslim terrorist work for them
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