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US Role seriously questioned in al-Jazeera TV about Bahrain





mqmpakistani
The population of Bahrain is not religious extremists, but very much secular. But now this Secular (anti al-Qaida and anti Taliban) population is questioning the role of US leaders very seriously.

The best Documentary (non biased) has been made by al-Jazeera.

Please take a time to watch it to understand each and every thing, and then respond.


Documentar: Shouting in the DARK


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xaTKDMYOBOU



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xaTKDMYOBOU[/youtube]

I don't know how to embed youtube videos here.
deanhills
mqmpakistani wrote:
I don't know how to embed youtube videos here.
You take the alphabetic combination immediately after the "v=" and put it in youtube tags like so:
zaxacongrejo
they can question what ever they want but ho they will call when things get wild?
deanhills
mqmpakistani wrote:
The population of Bahrain is not religious extremists, but very much secular. But now this Secular (anti al-Qaida and anti Taliban) population is questioning the role of US leaders very seriously.

The best Documentary (non biased) has been made by al-Jazeera.

Please take a time to watch it to understand each and every thing, and then respond.

I went through the hour of video very carefully. The US was only mentioned twice. The bulk of sentiment expressed in the video was against the Bahraini Royal Family, Government and GCC Forces. So if you wanted people to check out the video to get more insight as to the "US Leaders Role", perhaps this was not the right video for it. There is NOTHING discussed about the US leaders' role other than a brief mention about Obama's talk about fighting for democracy and the US being silent.

OK, if we discuss the US leaders role outside the video, then I'd like to ask you exactly what you would have wanted the US leaders to do. Invade Bahrain? Invade Yemen? Invade Egypt? Invade Syria? Invade Sudan? Invade Somalia? Invade Liberia? Invade Nigeria? Invade Zimbabwe? Invade every country in the world that is undemocratic? Where will it stop? A US military "democratic" dictatorship? Like we've seen in Iraq? Surely democracy can only be sorted out by the people for the people. When you get someone completely unrelated to the people to intervene, it becomes a dictatorship, whether that country is democratic or not. Such as we've seen in Iraq. A US military "democratic" dictatorship.
mqmpakistani
deanhills wrote:
mqmpakistani wrote:
The population of Bahrain is not religious extremists, but very much secular. But now this Secular (anti al-Qaida and anti Taliban) population is questioning the role of US leaders very seriously.

The best Documentary (non biased) has been made by al-Jazeera.

Please take a time to watch it to understand each and every thing, and then respond.

I went through the hour of video very carefully. The US was only mentioned twice. The bulk of sentiment expressed in the video was against the Bahraini Royal Family, Government and GCC Forces. So if you wanted people to check out the video to get more insight as to the "US Leaders Role", perhaps this was not the right video for it. There is NOTHING discussed about the US leaders' role other than a brief mention about Obama's talk about fighting for democracy and the US being silent.

OK, if we discuss the US leaders role outside the video, then I'd like to ask you exactly what you would have wanted the US leaders to do. Invade Bahrain? Invade Yemen? Invade Egypt? Invade Syria? Invade Sudan? Invade Somalia? Invade Liberia? Invade Nigeria? Invade Zimbabwe? Invade every country in the world that is undemocratic? Where will it stop? A US military "democratic" dictatorship? Like we've seen in Iraq? Surely democracy can only be sorted out by the people for the people. When you get someone completely unrelated to the people to intervene, it becomes a dictatorship, whether that country is democratic or not. Such as we've seen in Iraq. A US military "democratic" dictatorship.



Thank you deanhills for youtube embedding.

1. Video is showing enough of the problems that are faced by the Bahraini Population against the Khalifa family, backed by Saudia.

2. There are realities outside of this Video too.

3. And reality is this that indeed Bahraini population is seriously questioning the US Government Standards.

4. Please try to understand that it is not a problem that US attacks the Bahrain, or actively arm the population as US government doing in case of Syria.

But the question here is this that US is not even ready to condemn the Saudia for sending troops, not ready to condemn the Bharaini King, but there is a support there and message of this support is this that US does not want the Bahraini population to ask it's rights from the King.

You see attack, or war is not the only thing.

If the US leaders were really sincere to the Morals that they preach, then they would have exerted the pressure in the way they left Hasni Mubarrak in Egypt. But contrary to Egypt, the population of Bahrain considers it silent support of US to the Saudia and Bahraini King that Bahraini Army and Police openly firing at the real non-armed peaceful demonstrators.


US leaders showed 3 kinds of behaviors in the middle East.


1. Active wars, ..... like in case of Qadaffi of Libya and al-Assad in Syria.


2. Active support to the population for their rights, as has been done in Egypt.


3. Silent support to the regime against the population, as has been done in Bahrain.



Mind it, the Bahraini revolution is the most legal one, the most peaceful one, not a single fire has been shot upon the Bahraini Police or Army by the protesters, but other side of the story is ugly.

Bahraini King has little support in Bahrain, and as native population is not allowed to get jobs in the Police and Army and other defense institutions of the country, but Khalifa family is hiring the Salafi Extremist mercenaries from Pakistan in Police and the Army. And these Pakistani Salafi Mercenaries are given guns in their hands, the very first day they land in Bahrain... and these Salafi Mercenaries have no heart for the Bahraini native population.

Bahrain is the only country in the world at moment, where native population has no rights to get jobs in their own country defense institutes.


I don't want to be very critical upon the US leaders, perhaps you people think I am against the WEST. No, I am not against the west, but I love the western values. But I have to bring the message of local communities too to the western people, so that they keep a check upon their leaders, and if there are double standards shown by them, then they may criticize them.
JoryRFerrell
Not only did the west not intervene, the Facebook company of America actually allowed it's website to be used as a "secret police" tool, aiding in the suppression/murder of protestors. What does facebook have to say about allowing it's website to be used by the Saudi "KGB"/"SS"?
handfleisch
JoryRFerrell wrote:
Not only did the west not intervene, the Facebook company of America actually allowed it's website to be used as a "secret police" tool, aiding in the suppression/murder of protestors. What does facebook have to say about allowing it's website to be used by the Saudi "KGB"/"SS"?
The US position towards Bahrain is an outgrowth of US militarism, which is the evil curse of the nation. We have useless bases all over the globe. We pour so much money into militarism, it's like massive socialism for the arms industries, welfare for workers of Raytheon. Nothing seems to be able to stop it. The corruption and waste is astronomical. Even after the economic crisis, the military budget of the US is politically untouchable. The choice given to the US is (Republicans) increase the military budget and buy new weapons and planes and ships that the military doesn't even want, or (Democrats) keep the budget about the same size.

The war machine is different now than it was for the wars in Korea or Vietnam but at the core it's all the same. In fact, the culture is more worshiping of soldiers and the military than ever (mostly due to 9/11 and the events afterward).

No one even tries to reign in the military anymore. We've grown to accept it, that the money that other countries spend on a nationalized health care system and public transit infrastructure goes instead to billion dollar jet deals and keeping a giant military and burning oil in countless armored personnel carriers driving around bases all over the planet. A French colleague remarked to me the other day about how the French health care system is really good but also too expensive. I told him I wish the USA had such a problem!
zaxacongrejo
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No one even tries to reign in the military anymore. We've grown to accept it, that the money that other countries spend on a nationalized health care system and public transit infrastructure goes instead to billion dollar jet deals and keeping a giant military and burning oil in countless armored personnel carriers driving around bases all over the planet. A French colleague remarked to me the other day about how the French health care system is really good but also too expensive. I told him I wish the USA had such a problem!


and them ho keeps the planet safe? the french peraps
handfleisch
zaxacongrejo wrote:
Quote:
No one even tries to reign in the military anymore. We've grown to accept it, that the money that other countries spend on a nationalized health care system and public transit infrastructure goes instead to billion dollar jet deals and keeping a giant military and burning oil in countless armored personnel carriers driving around bases all over the planet. A French colleague remarked to me the other day about how the French health care system is really good but also too expensive. I told him I wish the USA had such a problem!


and them ho keeps the planet safe? the french peraps

This whole thread is about when the US does not "keep the planet safe" but instead supports dictatorships (not to mention promoting militarism around the world and especially doing such mass murder as the invasion of Iraq).
zaxacongrejo
Quote:
"keep the planet safe" but instead supports dictatorships (not to mention promoting militarism around the world and especially doing such mass murder as the invasion of Iraq).


and ho says that is not keeping the planet safe?
handfleisch
zaxacongrejo wrote:
Quote:
"keep the planet safe" but instead supports dictatorships (not to mention promoting militarism around the world and especially doing such mass murder as the invasion of Iraq).


and ho says that is not keeping the planet safe?
hah very funny
zaxacongrejo
The real world is not a dream sorry
JoryRFerrell
zaxacongrejo wrote:
The real world is not a dream sorry


This has got to be some of the crazier stuff you have written.

No. Life is not a dream. But that doesn't mean you ignore basic human rights violations.
If we have the ability to avoid killing civilians, we need to do so. I find it funny how people complain when their own rights are threatened, but they will sit back and watch it happen to others, using the excuse, "The real world is not a dream...sorry.".
You know all to well that if your families life was endangered, you would have something to say
about it. But all your counterpart might say is, 'The real world is not a dream...hurp derp....sorry."
That is nothing more than a convenient excuse (please note...it's not even good one) to wiggle out of having to do something about it. It's real easy to scream bloody murder when your rights are infringed,
but even easier for you to say there is nothing you can do when it happens to others.
zaxacongrejo
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If we have the ability to avoid killing civilians, we need to do so.

please show me an army soldger what so ever that dont try to avoid this and more your centence is false we dont have that ability and we will never have

3 years dude 3
2003/2006 how many do you have?
deanhills
JoryRFerrell wrote:
but even easier for you to say there is nothing you can do when it happens to others.
Reminds me of that gruesome incident in New Delhi with the couple who were brutally attacked, the one seriously hurt and the other raped and fatally injured. At the time when they had been thrown naked from the bus there were plenty of bystanders and vehicles passing the couple, who just simply passed them by. Doing nothing to help them, not even making an effort to cover them. Sort of makes real nonsense out of all of the uprisings afterwards. We don't want to do anything to help, it's the government's job (someone else's job) to do that.

At least in Bahrain, the people and medical practitioners went out of their way, risked their lives and their profession to help others.
JoryRFerrell
zaxacongrejo wrote:
Quote:
If we have the ability to avoid killing civilians, we need to do so.

please show me an army soldger what so ever that dont try to avoid this and more your centence is false we dont have that ability and we will never have

3 years dude 3
2003/2006 how many do you have?


I have two and a half years of the US Army playing head games with me and endangering my units lives with sub-standard training before sending me to a war zone.

And I can easily provide examples where we had ability to NOT MURDER INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-26/afghan-president-karzai-says-nato-rocket-attack-killed-52-civilians-friday.html

We didn't need to open fire near civilians with rockets, but we did. Hmm....could it be because those pilots don't have respect for human life that 50 civilians are dead? Yeh...just maybe. In the end, the capability comes down to us making the choice to not raze villages with overpowered bombs, arty, or rockets.

There are racists in the military as well. Deny that all you want, but there are people who support this war for reasons concerning race. Are you saying that "ACCIDENTS" are never more than just an accident? Bullshit.
zaxacongrejo
Quote:
We didn't need to open fire near civilians with rockets, but we did.


Sorry i don’t believe you , probably they were been used as shield ,or it was to Ricky to send a unity to the local

Quote:

There are racists in the military as well. Deny that all you want, but there are people who support this war for reasons concerning race. Are you saying that "ACCIDENTS" are never more than just an accident? Bullshit.


This i have to agree, but like they are in everywhere right?
JoryRFerrell
zaxacongrejo wrote:
Quote:
We didn't need to open fire near civilians with rockets, but we did.


Sorry i don’t believe you , probably they were been used as shield ,or it was to Ricky to send a unity to the local

Quote:

There are racists in the military as well. Deny that all you want, but there are people who support this war for reasons concerning race. Are you saying that "ACCIDENTS" are never more than just an accident? Bullshit.


This i have to agree, but like they are in everywhere right?


Mad
zaxacongrejo
i just noticed you said this

In the end, the capability comes down to us making the choice to not raze villages with overpowered bombs, arty, or rockets.

untrue that happen once and why don't you tell us the full history? how long did we wait before open fire? how long ?
and by the way are you forgotten that you signed a contract that prevent you to speak/report this kind of situations?
not this village incident because everyone know about it now but other that you keep "mention"
they don't need this will not help in nothing
handfleisch
zaxacongrejo wrote:
i just noticed you said this

In the end, the capability comes down to us making the choice to not raze villages with overpowered bombs, arty, or rockets.

untrue that happen once and why don't you tell us the full history? how long did we wait before open fire? how long ?
and by the way are you forgotten that you signed a contract that prevent you to speak/report this kind of situations?
not this village incident because everyone know about it now but other that you keep "mention"
they don't need this will not help in nothing

"That happen once"? Are you aware of how many hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed by the US military in the last 50 years? How many villages razed or carpet-bombed or strafed? As usual, the right wing opinion needs ignorance to support itself. Try less reactionary politics and more ESL.
zaxacongrejo
handfleisch wrote:
zaxacongrejo wrote:
i just noticed you said this

In the end, the capability comes down to us making the choice to not raze villages with overpowered bombs, arty, or rockets.

untrue that happen once and why don't you tell us the full history? how long did we wait before open fire? how long ?
and by the way are you forgotten that you signed a contract that prevent you to speak/report this kind of situations?
not this village incident because everyone know about it now but other that you keep "mention"
they don't need this will not help in nothing

"That happen once"? Are you aware of how many hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed by the US military in the last 50 years? How many villages razed or carpet-bombed or strafed? As usual, the right wing opinion needs ignorance to support itself. Try less reactionary politics and more ESL.


We are not talking about the last 50 years ok?
We are talking about Iraq and Afghanistan just, and i will repeat collateral damage will always be present
Not even god is perfect how the hell do you want army’s to be?
You guys keep generalizing never in any case the USA will intentionally cause civilian causalities never, USA is nor Libya or Syria
Again who the hell are you to call me ignorant?
JoryRFerrell
handfleisch wrote:
zaxacongrejo wrote:
i just noticed you said this

In the end, the capability comes down to us making the choice to not raze villages with overpowered bombs, arty, or rockets.

untrue that happen once and why don't you tell us the full history? how long did we wait before open fire? how long ?
and by the way are you forgotten that you signed a contract that prevent you to speak/report this kind of situations?
not this village incident because everyone know about it now but other that you keep "mention"
they don't need this will not help in nothing

"That happen once"? Are you aware of how many hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed by the US military in the last 50 years? How many villages razed or carpet-bombed or strafed? As usual, the right wing opinion needs ignorance to support itself. Try less reactionary politics and more ESL.


LOL...lets stop picking on his english.... Razz

We all struggle when learning a new language, so it's not really intellectual to harass him about it.
But he does seem to have a hardliner attitude which leads him to say it's ok to murder other people as long as they are not American...so why shouldn't we make jokes? I don't know.... Confused
JoryRFerrell
zaxacongrejo wrote:
i just noticed you said this

In the end, the capability comes down to us making the choice to not raze villages with overpowered bombs, arty, or rockets.

untrue that happen once and why don't you tell us the full history? how long did we wait before open fire? how long ?
and by the way are you forgotten that you signed a contract that prevent you to speak/report this kind of situations?
not this village incident because everyone know about it now but other that you keep "mention"
they don't need this will not help in nothing


I did not sign a contract stating that I would not report human rights violations. I don't know what jacked up contracts you decided to sign your name to, but I never read anything like: "Upon signing this, you agree to never speak about the unlawful murder of civilians by fellow military personnel."

Next time, have your lawyer present so they can advise you as to what the contract states, and whether signing it may or may not be a bad idea. Rolling Eyes

The contract I signed stated that I was not to speak about details related to current missions, or data which was sensitive. It did not in anyway say I was obligated to hide human rights abuses.
In fact, it stated quite the opposite: That I was to uphold the constitution. The constitution is a document supposedly written to stop human rights violations and to ensure fair rights based on the fact that we are all human. Of course at the time it was written, it was not really believed to the fullest sense, but consider it's amendments, it's technically no longer the same document. It's closer to a document which actually affirms all humans deserve freedom from tyranny and oppression, no matter the form or cause. So by joining the military, I was not just saying I am obligated to protect the US, but anyone who is human. Besides, by attempting to prevent human rights abuses by my country, I actually help protect it. For instance, Nazi Germany invited attack by murdering innocents. Being hated for good reasons is something we need to avoid at all costs. But of course we don't spend anywhere near as much money making friends as we do enemies. :/

It did not happen once btw. It's happened a fair bit more than once. But the facts run counter to the reality you are prepared to accept, so by all means, call the facts "lies". But don't expect me to feel that you are not mistaken and to say it, while also backing it up with facts.
RosenCruz
US does not care if a country has a democracy or not, unless that country is an enemy of USA. If you are allies of US, you can have a dictator, strict religious government or some kind of fachism. No problem.

Just stay on their side. Evil or Very Mad
deanhills
RosenCruz wrote:
US does not care if a country has a democracy or not, unless that country is an enemy of USA. If you are allies of US, you can have a dictator, strict religious government or some kind of fachism. No problem.

Just stay on their side. Evil or Very Mad
For starters, I don't think the US is a democracy any longer. It's more of a oligarchy, where the actual power is concentrated in the hands of the wealthy, who are calling the shots in Government.

Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont articulated it very well (June 2012) - note how typically vague the Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Ben Bernanke responded to Sanders' very valid comments, particularly the third point about the large banking institutions that need to be broken up in smaller units:



This one was dead on the number too - how the wealthy own the US Government:



Here is an interesting Website on the subject of the US Oligarchy:
http://www.oligarchyusa.com/
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