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Afaceinthematrix
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The Parents Television Council recorded 76 instances of suggested or blurred nudity last season, up from 15 instances the year before.

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The Parents Television Council said it plans to complain to the Federal Communications Commission, who in recent years has greatly liberalized violence and sexual content standards. Most parents probably appreciate this, even if they aren’t aware of the shift.


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There is nothing that I hate more than parent groups. I absolutely despise them because they have this silly thought that everyone needs to raise their children for them. I have no children (by choice) and so I despise anyone that thinks that I should have to change my life so that I can, essentially, raise THEIR children. I don't have children because I don't want them. I have many friends with children - I don't! If you weren't ready to actually raise your children then you should not have had them.

If you don't like what is on television then cancel your cable plan. It is that simple! Don't try to get television shows that other people like censored. I am for freedom of speech. Luckily, enough people tend to think like me. 7 out of 8 people on the front page comments agree with me. My favorite comment was:

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If you don't like what is on television, you should use channel blockers to protect your kids. It is not up to "society" to raise your children and monitor what they watch. It is YOUR job.


That is completely how I feel. What do other people think about parent groups in general? Remember, they don't just get into television. They have been responsible for quite a few nanny-state laws that have taken away YOUR rights on the basis of raising their children for them.
handfleisch
I agree. They are like Homeowners Associations, wanting the whole outside world to conform to their timid, defensive, prudish and puritanical view of the world.
Afaceinthematrix
When I was a child we got a basketball court that we put on our own driveway. My father got a fine from the homeowners association because he didn't get permission. So he had to get permission to install a basketball court that we already had cemented into the top of the driveway.

At least with a homeowners association you can simply move. If a television show is cancelled or censored then that is it. You're finished. Also, at least homeowners association do it for the good of everyone's property values (at least they usually claim that) and so I can almost tolerate them. Parent groups just do it because they want me to raise their children.
coolclay
While I completely agree with all your feelings about the Parenting groups. I also believe that the FCC should do the job that they were given. Or better you dissolve the FCC and put the many towards paying our debt!
Afaceinthematrix
coolclay wrote:
While I completely agree with all your feelings about the Parenting groups. I also believe that the FCC should do the job that they were given. Or better you dissolve the FCC and put the many towards paying our debt!


The FCC DOES do their job. In fact, the article (the part that I quoted) said:

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The Parents Television Council said it plans to complain to the Federal Communications Commission, who in recent years has greatly liberalized violence and sexual content standards. Most parents probably appreciate this, even if they aren’t aware of the shift.


The issue isn't that they are not enforcing the current laws; the issue is that the parent groups believe that the laws should be stricter on the basis of they don't want to actually monitor their children and prevent them from seeing suggested boobs on television and so none of us should be able to.

The stupid warning before television shows that informs me that "parental guidance is suggested" is bad enough. We already have ratings (PG, TV-14, MA, etc.) and there are many technologies in place that prevent these shows from playing on your television if you choose the correct settings. That is a good enough solution. Choose G or PG shows for your children and let me watch my programming (all two of the shows that I currently watch on television since, as someone actually commented on the article, we have these annoying un-reality shows taking up ratings so that awesome shows like Firefly can only make it one season).
ocalhoun
It goes without saying that I am wholeheartedly against censorship 'for the sake of the children'.

Afaceinthematrix wrote:
coolclay wrote:
While I completely agree with all your feelings about the Parenting groups. I also believe that the FCC should do the job that they were given. Or better you dissolve the FCC and put the many towards paying our debt!


The FCC DOES do their job. In fact, the article (the part that I quoted) said:

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The Parents Television Council said it plans to complain to the Federal Communications Commission, who in recent years has greatly liberalized violence and sexual content standards. Most parents probably appreciate this, even if they aren’t aware of the shift.



And censoring isn't their only job! Don't disband them just to get rid of censors!
You need some authority out there saying who can broadcast on what wavelengths and at what power levels -- otherwise all kinds of wireless communication are going to be hampered by a chaos of conflicting and interfering signals.
(Now, I would consider removing the FCC's ability to regulate the content of transmissions though.)
spyed
My experience with parent groups is that they usually aren't the ones who don't want to watch their children. They are the ones who watch their children too much. They are the ones who already have child protection on their TV's and computer, but are still concerned their children will somehow watch the content.

I really don't think the government should be involved in making any decisions on what is shown. Let the free market decide how to go about it and what should be shown. Parent groups have problems they need to change the social behavior so that businesses won't find it profitable to show 'derogatory' content.
coolclay
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And censoring isn't their only job! Don't disband them just to get rid of censors!
You need some authority out there saying who can broadcast on what wavelengths and at what power levels -- otherwise all kinds of wireless communication are going to be hampered by a chaos of conflicting and interfering signals.


I don't believe they do an adequate job of that either. Why should I need to spend large amounts of money just to get a permit to use a VHF, or HAM radio or have my own FM/AMradio station (Pirate Radio anyone?). I believe in freedom of the airwaves (within reason). But that's a whole other debate and way off topic!
GuidanceReader
I have children and I hate parenting groups. Be an adult and take responsibility for your own actions and be a parent and raise your child yourself. It is one of my pet peeves to deal with censoring and the like, when I should be the one to make that decision with my children... not someone else.
Afaceinthematrix
coolclay wrote:
I don't believe they do an adequate job of that either. Why should I need to spend large amounts of money just to get a permit to use a VHF, or HAM radio or have my own FM/AMradio station (Pirate Radio anyone?). I believe in freedom of the airwaves (within reason). But that's a whole other debate and way off topic!


I'm sorry; it just doesn't work like that. There are a finite amount of frequencies and we are already facing trouble because of that. Cellular telephone companies are already worried about the very-near-future from complications coming from this. The issue of there being a very finite amount of frequencies wasn't foreseen because the main issue comes from video streaming - which is a major bandwidth hog - over smart phones. The amount of data being used - with all of these unlimited data plans - is causing technological issues.

Television and radio signal isn't the only use of the radio spectrum; many technologies use it. Do you remember back in 2009 when the United States converted to digital television? We changed from the analog system so that more applications could use the spectrum.

With the new improvements, I see far less reasons to censor. The internet, in most places, is uncensored because of this reason. Parent groups may hate pornography but they'll never be able to stop me from Googling boobs (as much as they'd like to) because it would be impossible to regulate and furthermore, the FCC would have no business regulating it because the internet is infinite. When television signals were very finite it only made sense to regulate television because if only a few channels are possible then you might as well put on what has the most social value. These days, you can sign up for satellite television and instantly get thousands of channels - including the "adult" channels. Those channels are off of the radio spectrum and into the completely private market. Sure, the system sucks, but it's what we have. I don't hate the FCC; I hate parent groups that try and take things too far and make me do their parenting.

The fact of the matter is that having completely free airwaves would be a disaster. For instance, my next door neighbor just got radio antennas placed onto his roof. You need permits to do this and I am sure that he probably doesn't have them. Sure I could report him but my neighbor has far more important things to deal with and so I put up with it. This guy is old, dying of cancer, and doesn't have too much longer left. He has more important things to worry about right now. Now why do I care that he's breaking the law? How does it affect me? Easy. His radio signals interfere with my internet signal and so every single time he talks over this radio (and I have no clue what he uses it for) I hear his voice through MY computer speakers (assuming they are on). If I am not using the sound, I can just turn off my speakers or mute the volume. However, the ENTIRE time that I have been typing this post I've been listening to music and having to listen to his voice. If I am watching a movie on Netflix and he gets on his radio, I have to listen to his voice and my Netflix sound competing. It's highly annoying. Arch Enemy (the band that I am listening to now) would sound so much better if I didn't have to also try to ignore him talking about the heat (it's over 40 degrees Celsius right now) and some fan he's using.

See what happens when you do not regulate the radio waves? It would be chaos! I'd have to hear everyone's radio and I wouldn't even be able to use my Netflix. You wouldn't be able to use ANY radio or internet with volume. Plus, there are MANY, MANY, MANY important things on the radio spectrum that are reserved for essential social services (ambulances must be able to radio the hospitals, for one) that would literally kill people if they were interfered with.
ocalhoun
Afaceinthematrix wrote:
satellite television [...] Those channels are off of the radio spectrum and into the completely private market.

Just a little quibble.
While that would be true of cable television, satellite signals still use part of the spectrum.

(I've also had experience with interference like that. I worked on the air traffic control electronics at an air force base, and one of the frequencies that the control tower used to communicate with planes was chronically interfered with by a country music radio station. Because the radio station was broadcasting outside their designated frequency, the airfield lost one of their radios. ... If it weren't for the FCC, it wouldn't have been possible to correct the situation.

...As an interesting side effect, since that was an emergency frequency, the control tower was full of country music the entire time, like it or not. They were forbidden by regulations to turn off or reduce the volume of that frequency.)
nickfyoung
It annoys me more when we get warnings before a TV program to the indigenous population that they may see images or hear a person who may be now dead.
That aside, parents should be parents and parent their kids. If they don't want them watching something on TV tell them so. If they disobey and watch it anyway paddle a few bums till they do obey.
Which is the other major issue in society today. You are not allowed to smack your children any more. Some children need smacking, not because they are deliberately being bad but because they have been parented badly and they don't know how to behave.
I never had to smack my kids once although their Mum broke a few wooden spoons. Parenting starts from the day you walk inside with your new baby. If you don't start then it is too late. So you need all the parents groups to protect your kids because they aren't able to do it and neither are you.
airh3ad
This is just my thougths I guess these people are right, Yes I really do, seeing two people madly bumping uglies isn't what we should be watching. I think we should be watching more blood and violence from all around the world, who wants to see people loving each other, when we can see little children spread all over after a explosion, or people running for their lives as a artillery bombardment commences on their village, or how about instead of nudity, we watch prisoners get their throat slit, as sexuality is far more vulgar and disgusting to watch.
But TV is not just a wonderful tool for entertainment but even more so today for education and even Christian Services. So I have to disagree with those that claim TV is going downhill. Try watching the History Channel, Discovery Channel, the Learning Channel just to name a few that are educational..
ocalhoun
airh3ad wrote:
Try watching the History Channel,

Tried watching it lately?

It's:
90% searching for bigfoot
10% aliens
0% history
0% educational
Afaceinthematrix
ocalhoun wrote:
airh3ad wrote:
Try watching the History Channel,

Tried watching it lately?

It's:
90% searching for bigfoot
10% aliens
0% history
0% educational


I completely disagree. It's more like:

30% Bigfoot
60% Watching people do their jobs (Pawn Stars, American Pickers, American Loggers, Ice Road Truckers, Swamp Loggers, etc., etc., etc.)
10% Aliens

Although I must admit that I do like Pawn Stars. And The Discovery Channel isn't much better these days...
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