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SharKay
People peddling their rotten apples...spreading their rank lies to our children. Taking all control away
from the parents. They are wanting us to raise our children with their immoral values.
They want to take our rightes away from how we raise our children.

Corruption is being sold daily and made to look like it is Your Right,
Your Freedom. Americans are tolerating and embracing this lie.
Lies that are gift wrapped in the most abhorrent, and the most discussting things.
America is blinded by these gifts, because evil presents itself as something
beautiful.
Our children are being presented with these gifts, in school, in stores, and
on our streets. The marketing of the abortion-on-demand to teaching
homosexuality to our grade-schoolers. Wake up America you are being used.
People are making money off the decline of our country, and our children
are suffering for this.

While some are being expected to tolerate these most defiling and discussting things
others are being aloud to promote them.

(For example, few of us realize that the widely revered father of the
"sexual revolution" has been irrefutably exposed as a full-fledged
sexual psychopath who encouraged pedophilia. Or that giant corporations
voraciously competing for America's $150 billion teen market routinely
infiltrate young people's social groups to find out how better to lead
children into ever more debauched forms of "authentic self-expression.
WorldNetDaily)

Experts are selling us corruption that is disguised as freedom and
our children are at their mercy.

The decline of our nation falls into the hands of those who want to
see evil as good and good as evil!

Those are the things I think are being taken away...our freedom to
continue to teach our children moral values.
Our right to teach our children that marraige is between one man and one women.
Our right to teach that abortion is totaly wrong. It is murder.
Our right to teach that homosexualty is wrong.
Our right to say what our children read as oppose to someone telling us what our children will read.
Our right to teach that premarital sex is wrong.
Our right to have a prayer, to carry a Bible if we want, to wear a cross around our neck, to say the word JESUS and God and not in a cursing way. People can walk down the street and use God's name in vain and nothing be said about it...but let a Christian walk down the street and use it as reference to salvation and they are taken to court.

And people ask how and when will our Earth come to and end...where is our freedom...Look around....and wake up!
xtreme
That is very interesting and insightful. I agree with most of what you have said. The immorality of this country may eventually lead to its downfall. Many believe that this same thing led to the downfall of the Roman Empire. However, it is not the government or public institutions that have caused this. Too many people give in to their own corrupt sides. For example, the porn industry would not be where it is today if it weren’t for their subscribers. I believe it is the number one moneymaker on the internet, and the government won’t simply shut down a highly profitable industry because it is deemed inappropriate. Why? Because sex sells and the government makes money off it too! But hey, that’s capitalism for ya. And I’m not about to knock the very ideal that this great country was founded on.

That said, it doesn’t make it right. What people need to do is to stop letting the public education system take over in teaching “moral values”. Parents ARE and SHOULD be responsible for teaching what is right and wrong. Institutionalized education only teaches what is going on in the world, regardless of the morals. In some cases, parents have some level of control at their child’s public school, such as opting out of a sex education class.

This brings up the age old debate of censorship. Should we protect our children from the cruel truths of the world? Are we protecting them, or making them deaf to reality? I personally don’t believe it is fair to offer just one biased opinion about anything, moral or immoral. If a child is raised right, when presented with both sides of a story, they should be able to make the right decision for themselves. And that lesson of choosing the right way is ten times better than being TOLD the right way. I guess you could call it “street smarts”.

Now, you say that rights are being taken away…
SharKay wrote:
Those are the things I think are being taken away...our freedom to
continue to teach our children moral values.
Our right to teach our children that marraige is between one man and one women.
Our right to teach that abortion is totaly wrong. It is murder.
Our right to teach that homosexualty is wrong.
Our right to say what our children read as oppose to someone telling us what our children will read.
Our right to teach that premarital sex is wrong.
Our right to have a prayer, to carry a Bible if we want, to wear a cross around our neck, to say the word JESUS and God and not in a cursing way. People can walk down the street and use God's name in vain and nothing be said about it...but let a Christian walk down the street and use it as reference to salvation and they are taken to court.

Sorry, but I must disagree. You have every right to teach your morals to your own children. No one is even attempting to take that away. However, because of the diversity of moral values, public school is not the right place to teach it.

Anyway, that’s just my view.
SharKay
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What people need to do is to stop letting the public education system take over in teaching “moral values”. Parents ARE and SHOULD be responsible for teaching what is right and wrong. Institutionalized education only teaches what is going on in the world, regardless of the morals. In some cases, parents have some level of control at their child’s public school, such as opting out of a sex education class.


Moral and Immoral...ok...we should teach our children moral values at home...then on the other side...they should teach their immoral values at home...what is for one shuld be for the other...Don't subject our children to their immorality..and expect us to say nothing...Don't put their books into the school libraies and subject our children...like a 5year old to the alternat life style.

opting out of sex education... It doesn't need to be even taught...leave it at home...

You are so decieved....ACLU is making money...the more evil they can take to court the more they make...they are right their to cash in on the immoral things...

the age old disaggreements...our rights are being taken from us...or let me say it this way...a select few are trying to take them...and if you think they are not...you are again decived....

There is a market on evil..and people are being sucked into it....
What is rights anymore....Let them say abortion is ok...cause that is their right...but don't let those who feel it is wrong say anything...they don't have the right...or they are taken to court...cause they stated it is wrong....
the marrigae between two men and two women....let them promote it...fight for it...but Don't let the Christian say anything opposit....or they are taken to court...ect ect.....Rights...you speak of rights....and that no one is attempting to take them....where have you been...Yes we have every right to teach our chilldren the moral values....and you say teach it at home...and I say that their immorality should be taught the same place...behind their closed doors and NOT injected it into the school system...

And the government is a whole other story...
waring
SharKay wrote:
Those are the things I think are being taken away...our freedom to
continue to teach our children moral values.
Our right to teach our children that marraige is between one man and one women.
Our right to teach that abortion is totaly wrong. It is murder.
Our right to teach that homosexualty is wrong.
Our right to say what our children read as oppose to someone telling us what our children will read.
Our right to teach that premarital sex is wrong.
Our right to have a prayer, to carry a Bible if we want, to wear a cross around our neck, to say the word JESUS and God and not in a cursing way. People can walk down the street and use God's name in vain and nothing be said about it...but let a Christian walk down the street and use it as reference to salvation and they are taken to court.


I'm sorry but I must disagree with you here. See, I strongly believe that children should formulate their own views when they reach a certain age (entering highshcoolish) without outside pressure. Really, if you teach children beliefs like that, then you are, in a way, taking away a child's freedom. While some of their beliefs may be considered immoral, I believe it's good that they formulated the view themselves. Then I'll argue my point of view.

ps. i totally agree with you that people should be allowed to carry a bible without it being a problem. i hate it when people make a big deal out of other people's religion.
xtreme
SharKay wrote:
Don't subject our children to their immorality.

Okay, yeah, shield them from the cold hard truth. Ignorance is bliss after all…
So, I ask you, what happens when "our children" go out on their own and have to face this cruel and immoral world with no one to guide them??? All that they will have is a biased viewpoint, with no understanding for the other.

Also, I do not believe that immorality is being "subjected" to them. Children are just taught that things like that exist.

SharKay wrote:
Don't put their books into the school libraies and subject our children...like a 5year old to the alternat life style.

Strong argument… BUT…
What difference does it make if a 5 year old boy reads about an alternate lifestyle in a book at school? He can just as easily turn on the TV and see it there. Even if you censor what he sees on TV, he can still see it walking down the street, or learn about it by talking to his friends. So at the end of the day, it is the duty of the parents to explain and express their own moral values on the situation.

SharKay wrote:
opting out of sex education... It doesn't need to be even taught...leave it at home...

Sex education DOES need to be taught. Some parents, regardless of their moral standpoints, simply do not teach it at home. Doesn’t it make sense to at least have SOMEONE teach "safe sex"? I can say with almost complete certainty that there would be MORE teen pregnancy and MORE cases of sexually transmitted diseases if sex education was not taught in a public institution.

SharKay wrote:
You are so decieved....ACLU is making money...

Ah, yes… Special interest groups… Okay, at the risk of starting a political debate I will say this. As long as there is a Democratic party in this country, special interest groups will ALLWAYS have a voice. A loud one… This is called Democracy. Beyond that, it is the first amendment of the constitution.
I will also say that in addition to the ACLU fighting for the rights of homosexuals, they also protect the rights of women and ethnicities. Hell, they also protect the rights that you seem to hold such high regard for; free speech and religious liberties. So, why then do YOU want free speech, but want others to be silenced?

You also say that "our rights are being taken from us". I ask how? And by whom? You have the right to enroll your children into a private school, or home school. You have the right to express your views without risk of prosecution. You have the right to go door to door and spread your religion. You have the right to assemble outside an abortion clinic and hold up pictures of dead fetuses. I see that twice a week. I have not, however, seen any of them arrested for it. You even have the right to leave this country if you feel it is so immoral. The fact is, your values are also being expressed and heard. No one is going to take that away from you.

I actually happen to agree with most of your moral values, but what would happen if one day the opposition could not argue their point of view? You end up with a single party state. Then, you will see your rights taken away.

In conclusion, morals should be taught at home, positive or negative. Public education is NOT a replacement for parenting. It is an institution that prepares children for what they may face later on in life. It is not fair to shield the future of this country, the children, to the distasteful things that go on in today’s world.
Resident Egoist
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I strongly believe that children should formulate their own views when they reach a certain age (entering highshcoolish) without outside pressure. Really, if you teach children beliefs like that, then you are, in a way, taking away a child's freedom.


Interesting. Would you also say that teaching children that two and two make four, or that the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around is an instance of taking away their freedom? And if I may ask, what “freedom” would that be anyway?
SharKay
You have missed the point....and how can you miss it if you pay attention to the news media...or even the news that never seems to get printed in the news...

Our rights are Being taken away...limited....The wanted removel of things is a perfect picture of rights being taken....Check for yourself....see who represents the rights to remove nativity scenes...the ten command ments...In God We Trust....
Prayer was taken out of school...kids wanting to read the Bible ( At Free Time) are not let....Bibles being removed from schools.... You can walk down the halls and talk about Easteren Religions...but don't talk about Christinianty....I have three children and 11 grandchildren...You think I don't keep up on what is happening....You want to shelter your children from all the yuck...keep them home and homeschool them...then you look at them and say..but if I shelter them...how can they be out there in the world when it is their time...

So you give them sound moral advice...and send them off...to receive what the world offeres....the YUCK...then if they try to share what was given to them in their home...that is where the rights of these children are be taken away...they can't share...they are expected to shut up and let the yuck be filtered in to them....I say No...that is not right....

Why do some fight so hard to remove these things...because it offends and if they would admite it that is what they would say.

Safe sex...ya...give them a condom and tell them it is ok to have premarital sex...why not teach No sex is safe sex....Teens that want to share that message are even being told Not to say that....

Children need guidence...and I agree the guidence should come from the home...If a child is going to get interducted to these things it should be in the home (as it is wrong) and not on TV...Schools....ect....(as it is ok)....

I don't care what you say...it is immoral...and children do NOT need to be taught that it is ok....And if they do form an oppinon let it be their oppinon and not someone pushing to get it taught...and approved....



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You even have the right to leave this country if you feel it is so immoral

That statement is so silly to have made....That is like saying ...( I'm just going to run away ) If you don't like something leave...

Tell that to the child who had spikes driven into his knees for saying and shareing Jesus...Tell that to the women who was taken from her family and druged up for months and months then tossed out into the streets...


This is more important than just not liking something...
xtreme
Okay, I think I understand what you're getting at now. State sponsored censorship of Christianity. Correct??? Well, I'm going to spare you the whole separation of church and state lecture. Why? Because you are right… about this issue anyway. Very Happy

Personally, I am a big supporter of separation of church and state. However, it is odd how it does not seem to apply to anything other than Christianity. A few fanatical people who want nothing more than to get their names in the headlines have a problem with displaying the ten commandments in a courtroom. Or, some other idiot that has a problem with "under god" part of the pledge of allegiance. These people take separation of church and state WAY TOO FAR.

About the safe sex thing… I don't know about now, but when I had sex education in grade school, they taught abstinence. I think that the problem lies NOT with the school, but with peer pressure. Like it or not, your child goes to school with the child of the drunk down the street, or the teen mother, and I guarantee you that their moral values are not the same as yours.

One thing that I think is important, and that I think is the whole reason for schools teaching about immoral activities, is that children need to learn to be tolerant of other people's views, beliefs, and lifestyles. They don’t have to like it. They can protest it if they wish. But there is one thing that I think we can both agree with… Something about loving thy neighbor…

SharKay wrote:

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You even have the right to leave this country if you feel it is so immoral

That statement is so silly to have made....That is like saying ...( I'm just going to run away ) If you don't like something leave...

That statement was made in jest. Just trying to ease the tension. Very Happy

One more thing. It's nice to finally debate with someone who not only puts thought into what they write, but who believes strongly in their views. Really, it's been a pleasure!
mengshi200
yes,too excellent discuss!
atomictoyz
The education system in America is driven by industry, Industry is driven by Capitalism. Christianity is/has been always a thorn in the side to every dictatorship and repressive government.

Our education systems is slowly tearing the culture of Christianity our of every aspect of our lives. Secular Humanism is driven by the ALCU. While they have on occasion protected religious people they clearly have an agenda against Christianity as a whole.

We could argue about morality all day long but the simple fact remains the school system is not teaching equality or morality. We have seen in the last 25 years immorality become moral and morals become hated.

The word sin is being removed from our vocabulary as hate speech.

Accept everyone for who they are...unless they are one of those Christians.

While this all may be frustrating Sharkay, take a deep breath and realize that we are seeing the fullfillment of Prophesy as the end days come to a closure. The 2nd coming was promised and we are to look forward to that day. Just as in the days of Noah, Abraham and Lot that only a few righteous would remain amongst a primarily wicked world. Continue to talk about Jesus, the death, burial and resurrection to those whose ear have been tickled and drawn away by lust. If they do not listen, dust off your sandals and keep moving. He is coming. Be ready.

Peace,
Atomic
SharKay
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But there is one thing that I think we can both agree with… Something about loving thy neighbor…


Yes...and I do love try neighbor...I could not claim to be who I say I am and not love...But I figure you know the rest of that...you love the person but not the sin...And I am in no way judging the person..please believe me when I say this...

I used to counsel with teens..hurting teens who lived in those types of homes...When it comes to the word tolerate...When you work with troubled teens and crisis pregnancy centers, being tolerant is so very important...but on the other hand the wrong has to be taught...Right/good always seems to be silenced and appears to look bad, while wrong/evil wants the strong voice and appears to look good.

There is a book I cherish so very much that says this...evil will look good for a season, while good is made to look bad...those words( while not quoted exactually) is so true and that can not be denied.

Thank you for your comments...

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While this all may be frustrating Sharkay, take a deep breath and realize that we are seeing the fullfillment of Prophesy as the end days come to a closure. The 2nd coming was promised and we are to look forward to that day. Just as in the days of Noah, Abraham and Lot that only a few righteous would remain amongst a primarily wicked world. Continue to talk about Jesus, the death, burial and resurrection to those whose ear have been tickled and drawn away by lust. If they do not listen, dust off your sandals and keep moving. He is coming. Be ready.


Thank You for your comments...and yes Prophesy is being fulfilled...if only people would realise this...and our purpose is to share that...
shr3dd
I agree that children should be tought the good and the bad. How can they discern right from wrong if all they know is right? .

I graduated in June of this year, and a few years back I took sex ed. in school, they still teach abstinence. they will tell you the only safe sex is no sex. They also teach how to protect yourself if one is going to have sex anyway. They use their scare tactics of AIDS videos to even promote abstinence. I engage in pre-marital sex nearly everyday and it's with the woman I love, I don't believe I'm doing anything wrong, and I'm being safe about it.

I agree that Christianity is the black cat of American society even though it is the prodominant religion. The ACLU is evil and wants every Bible to be replaced with a turban. I'm not Christian, I'm not Muslim, I think people should leave religion alone, and if the pledge has "under God" in it (which wasn't in the original) then let it stay.

People are trying to forget about what this country was founded on. Democrats hate the Constitution, the ACLU wants anyone who proclaims God as their savior thrown in jail. This country was founded by Christians and decision making was influenced by the founders' belief in God.

I personally am atheist, but I do believe that "under God" should stay in the pledge, I hate the ACLU and I believe in the Constitution, something many don't even know about. You'd be suprised to see how many people are dumbfounded when asked to name a single amendment or one point in the Bill of Rights. Even less know what the hell the Preamble is.
SharKay
Just in case not to many people know the History behind these topics here are a few sites to check out.

[url]
http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html[/url]

http://www.homeofheroes.com/hallofheroes/1st_floor/flag/1bfc_pledge.html

http://www.constitutioncenter.org/visiting/CalendarofEvents/Events/2005_09_17_14995.shtml


http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html
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