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Could this be the Total Solution to Our Problems





Possum
Hi

This is my Solution to our Education, Economic and Political problems.

First Start at the local Government Level.

Write an Open Source Application (Database) that is really courseware which both records and presents every detail of that local government. This information is available on the net. And can be added to, so it grows. This would include time and motion studies of all activities. From drain laying to accounting.

Higher level activities such as accounting would have tutorials that teach people so they can understand all accounting done by that local government. There will be Q&R sections for people to prove what they know and even get jobs in the local government.

The benefits are many. An education system based on the local environment would install pride and knowledge in younger people who would be less likely engaged in willful damage against property if they directly understood they actually pay in taxes for this sort of thing.

I'm working on this idea. So your feedback is appreciated. See: Local Government
Bikerman
Certainly I agree that all local government documentation should, in principle, be made public and that it would be nice to have a central system to act as repository for that documentation. But this is already pretty much what we have. Most councils and local authorities will provide minutes of meetings, official documents etc on request.

Your proposal takes this on quiet a way. You propose changing the entire work and practice of government. It is intruiging but immediately raises an immediate point in my mind: Who benefits?
The people charged with making the decisions should already have access to the important documentation and reports. The extra information generated by public participation is, frankly, going to be only noise unless it is filtered significantly.
The public apparently don't want to have to get involved with the minute details of local government - that is why they elect a representative to do it for them. Much council work is dull, repetative and technical. To the extent that people DO get involved, it tends to be when they have a particular issue/agenda and normally short-lived.

It would certainly be nice to have easy access to this information. People like me would be able to do all sorts of interesting comparisons and reports, so I'd benefit, certainly. I'm not sure, however, what wider ineterests would be served.

I'd be interested to hear you develop and respond to this objection...
Possum
Here is one example..

The city council buys a truck to carry gravel to fill in holes in a city road.

All the documentation regarding this purchase is recorded. This information can be turned into courseware and is made available on the net.

We can learn accounting

Mechanics

Road Safety.... This list is as long as a Hyperlink


All linked and directly associated with the local government. Since all cites have educational facilities for its citizens why not have education facilities at the council building or satellite venues. All using the city as source material for the syllabus.

Accounting is accounting no matter how you learn it. In my opinion learning invented examples in normal school or University syllabus is BORING, they have no mirror in reality. Learning about real things is the best way to learn abstract concepts. I want about real things. I want to be connected to my city. I want to know how things work.

In my opinion School and University Teach us Swimming when life is Rugby. Sure swimming helps you play rugby. But learning rugby when you want to play rugby is way better.
ocalhoun
Bikerman wrote:
You propose changing the entire work and practice of government. It is intruiging but immediately raises an immediate point in my mind: Who benefits?


Well, for one thing, it could be extremely beneficial for rooting out corruption... and provide the important element that is usually lacking: proof.


Possum wrote:

In my opinion School and University Teach us Swimming when life is Rugby. Sure swimming helps you play rugby. But learning rugby when you want to play rugby is way better.

That's another problem, but in my opinion, that would be better solved by a reform of the schools.
Many schools could benefit from focusing less on pure academics and more on practical skills, especially at the primary school level.
(Sure, preparing students for secondary education is important, and classes should be available for that... but not all students will go to a secondary school, and not all need to. For the ones who don't, it would be better for them to learn how to balance a checkbook than how to balance an equation, and it would be better for them to learn how to write a resume than how to write an essay... et cetera.)

...Sure, it sounds a bit harsh and pessimistic... but for students who won't be going on to higher education, they would be better served knowing how to drive a delivery truck than to learn the periodic table of the elements...
One skill will get them a decent job... the other won't be likely to get them anything in life.


... In fact, I think it's spin-off thread time!
*goes off to make a new topic about this*
Bikerman
I'm not hostile to the idea, but it needs to be remembered that this would be the largest reorganisation of local government in history. The cost would be fabulous. Here in the UK we are famous for trying to implement grand schemes not unlike this, and failing catastrophically.
The latest example would be the scheme to link all the hospital and GP computer systems into a new data-sharing super-system. This could be seen as a mini version of your proposal.
It was finally scrapped last year, after costing 12 billion and delivering nothing.
http://www.practicebusiness.co.uk/news/1394/%A312bn-wasted-on-scrapped-nhs-computer-system-/
Possum
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Sure, it sounds a bit harsh and pessimistic... but for students who won't be going on to higher education, they would be better served knowing how to drive a delivery truck than to learn the periodic table of the elements...


Not harsh at all. What you say is true. Oh by the way I'm a worker and I love the Periodic Table

http://www.periodicvideos.com/

But I discovered this is my own time. My Fav element is Au.. Smile

95% of the tasks, duties and profession that happen in the local council represent 95% of the job in society at large, so learning at the "Council College" would see you right for a job in the greater community.

Universities are still special places. I think the Future of the University is the Past of the University when the smartest of the smart went there.

I am still working on this theory. Thx for your import. Its is appreciated.
bukaida
In India we have an act called RTI (Right to Information) by which you can demand the detail clarification of any government activity (except defence related information). We also have a e-governance system which provides some information from the block level upto state level. However it is not equivalent to a knowledge Base. So it will be nice if your idea can be implemented. However it should be accurate as well as transparent.
Possum
I couldn't think of a better country than India for such an idea to germinate. As you have very small communities as well as the very big. All it would take is just one village.

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should be accurate as well as transparent.


Yes you need to Audit system and processes as well as accounts. But since all the local Government jobs have complete time and motion studies done on them it would be self policing since you can easily research what other people should be doing. Not everyone would like this of course and would be a motivation for many to go to the capitalist private sector.
bukaida
Right. But there should be a system to get the whereabouts of the private sector giants also. Often these people hides the actual facts and escapes easily ( like pollution issues). Although it will be difficult to implement in any of the Tiers.
Possum
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there should be a system to get the whereabouts of the private sector giants


I totally agree.

Transparent Socialism and Accountable Capitalism.

An education system linked to the Local government would protect its citizens from illegal private sector activities because the citizen would know how to react to that situation. For example when citizen sees a chemical spill they already know where to go and who to tell in the local government. As they have been educated. This is all transparent and is straight away known by the community. No cover up is possible. The best thing is that the chemical company knows this and will be even more proactive at stopping the chemical spill in the first place.
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