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Oil costs fuel US trade deficit
The US is importing more oil
The increased cost of importing oil has further swelled the US trade deficit.
The deficit rose 1.8% to $59bn (£33.7bn) in August - its third highest monthly sum - as the US spent a record $17.2bn on buying crude oil supplies.
The deficit is expected to rise more substantially in September as Hurricane Katrina's economic impact is reflected in trade data for the first time.
US oil production hit a 50-year low in September as Hurricanes Katrina and Rita hit output in the Gulf of Mexico.
Average oil output totalled 4.197 million barrels last month, its lowest level since 1943. |
I think it is time to come with some alternate technology and back it all the way. We can do this before spoiling untouched natural areas and fueling more wars...
(lol, I just realized... I wonder how much oil the US actually uses to keep fighting in Iraq over oil.... life does have a sense of humor that's for sure.)
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I think it is time to come with some alternate technology and back it all the way. We can do this before spoiling untouched natural areas and fueling more wars...
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Agreed. It's starting already via hybrids and alternative fuels.
HuH?
If we were in Iraq for oil, we'd be concentrating on, you know... OIL. Perhaps the government is stealing it without anyone knowing?
with all the facts, figures, and testimonials I've read/heard, etc... that is what I must deduce. If one wishes to think I am mistaken that is one's perogative.
two more facts (for whoever is interested) Israel and Egypt are the two countries that receive the vast majority of US foreign aid - they are the only two democracies in the OIL rich middle east
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| with all the facts, figures, and testimonials I've read/heard, etc... that is what I must deduce. ...t |
Perhaps you could provide a few examples? | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| earthchild wrote: | | with all the facts, figures, and testimonials I've read/heard, etc... that is what I must deduce. ...t |
Perhaps you could provide a few examples? |
We're talking a lifetime of reading, conversations, learning, and experience here... There are no neat facts to back up my entire world view. I'm sure you can understand this S3nd K3ys.
The only real fact I can give you is that I am a US citizen who grew up outside the bubble called the US (multiple countries) so I've been able to have an outside perspective (and that is not supposed to sum up my world view... it just gives me some insight)
Take it or leave it for what it is worth.
Peace. | earthchild wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | earthchild wrote: | | with all the facts, figures, and testimonials I've read/heard, etc... that is what I must deduce. ...t |
Perhaps you could provide a few examples? |
We're talking a lifetime of reading, conversations, learning, and experience here... There are no neat facts to back up my entire world view. I'm sure you can understand this S3nd K3ys.
The only real fact I can give you is that I am a US citizen who grew up outside the bubble called the US (multiple countries) so I've been able to have an outside perspective (and that is not supposed to sum up my world view... it just gives me some insight)
Take it or leave it for what it is worth.
Peace. |
I just figured that when you said "facts and figures" when talking about fighting the Iraqi war for oil, that you would have some sort of evidence to go along with the "facts and figures" that we're there fighting for oil.
Chalk another one up to 'perception = fact' I guess.
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BTW, you said life long experiences. Are you 13? (War in Iraq isn't that old. You must learn young!)
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Last edited by S3nd K3ys on Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:15 pm; edited 1 time in totalmy perceptions are based on facts... of course.
however, I don't have time to go find all the articles I ever read for you to tell me whether I can think for myself or not.
my reason for being on this forum is not to prove my perspective to you dear K3ys. just as you should not have to prove yours to me. we are just typing here, there are no lives hanging in the balance, no populations depending on what we say...
of course I'd like to know your thoughts - please have the decency to respect mine too.
Peace.
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really you ask alot S3nd K3ys |
I don't think so. You claim that we're at war in Iraq for the oil, yet fail to produce any fact. Only speculation and try to tell me "trust me, it's true".
Sorry, I don't.i'm sorry, I edited my reply before seeing your next post
(I'll try to not to post and edit to avaid confusion)
please see above 
but still - i think perhaps you misunderstood me....
I never said "trust me",
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Take it or leave it for what it is worth.
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and I still mean that. you don't have to agree with me and you don't have to trust me... and you don't. I think that is great. | earthchild wrote: |
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but still - i think perhaps you misunderstood me....
I never said "trust me",
I said | earthchild wrote: |
Take it or leave it for what it is worth.
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When you said things like;
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| my perceptions are based on facts... of course. |
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| I don't have time to go find all the articles I ever read for you to tell me whether I can think for myself or not. |
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| with all the facts, figures, and testimonials I've read/heard, etc... |
I have to assume that you can prove what you repeatedly claim to be 'fact'.
Now that I know it's just perception and opinion, I will not take the issue further.perception and opinion based on facts.
thank you.
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perception and opinion based on facts.
thank you. |
perception and opinion based on... perception and opinion.
You're welcome.so now you assume you know what I do with my brain and my time...
you don't even know who I am, that's pretty bold.
maybe you are right, then again... maybe not.
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so now you want to discredit me...
silly man |
You discredit yourself by refusing to prove what you claim to be fact. | earthchild wrote: |
so now you assume you know what I do with my brain and my time...
you don't even know who I am, that's pretty bold.
maybe you are right, then again... maybe not. |
Now that you've edited your post from saying I tried to discredit you...
I don't assume anything except the fact that you refuse to provide proof for your claims that we're in Iraq for oil.
All you can provide is speculation and opinion, yet you would have me believe it's fact? Sorry, I'm not buying it.you are fast!
(For the record that is what I posted 30 seconds before I went back and edited) that is what my inner thoughts were
"so now you want to discredit me. silly man"
but I usually think of something else I'd rather say
anyway please refer to the edited version above
This is my honest view: I do not consider you worthy of a rational and fair debate. I consider your tactics to be under the belt and bully - like. That is my opinion, my perception - based on what I have observed of your behavior.
If you'd like to attack me now (as you probably will - because you always do... there is nothing I can really do about it - but throw my hands in the air and move on.)
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This is my honest view: I do not consider you worthy of a rational and fair debate. I consider your tactics to be under the belt and bully - like. That is my opinion, my perception - based on what I have observed of your behavior.
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So my request for you to post proof is hitting below the belt and bullyish? How is that?
I'm not worthy of a rational and fair debate because it's not fair for me to ask for proof of what you say? That's retarded, sorry.
If you can't provide proof, perhaps you should be more careful of the claims you make. Especially to someone like me who you know damn well will challenge you on it.
So, am I attacking you? In a way, yes. But in general, I'm attacking the long standing tactics of lieberals making claims that are completely false or highly misleading, like the one you made about oil.
If you can't provide proof, then for God's sake, STFU about it, or at least state clearly that it's an opinion. Don't try to ram it down my throat claiming it's fact when you know damn well you can't prove shit. Just admit it's an opinion and none of this will have happened.
moving on...
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That's what I thought.
I think that america is fighting in iraq for the oil, why would america spent billions of dollars too give iraq there freedom?, it's insame. and iraq was not danger for the united states, so why would thay atack? I think that america is steeling that oil, now the are urning verry much money because the prizes rised up.
