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Arrest Warrant for Gaddafi





deanhills
Must say the arrest warrant for Gaddafi has deja vu written all over it. Saddam Hussein, Ossama Bin Laden, and now Gaddafi. Now if we take the history of the first two, it took years to execute/assasinate the guys, so maybe Gaddafi will be OK for at least 10 years or so? Twisted Evil

Source: BBC
Navigator
Who cares, everyone now believes that Gadhaffi is guilty of murdering his own people, but just watch ths -if you can-:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/230514-The-Ugly-Truth-video-Of-Libyan-rebel-beheading-Gadhaffi-soldier-and-other-Nato-war-crimes
deanhills
Navigator wrote:
Who cares, everyone now believes that Gadhaffi is guilty of murdering his own people, but just watch ths -if you can-:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/230514-The-Ugly-Truth-video-Of-Libyan-rebel-beheading-Gadhaffi-soldier-and-other-Nato-war-crimes
Shocked That is a bit conspiratorial however, isn't it? Though parts of it I can believe, like NATO misrepresenting the situation for their own interests. I can't remember where I read it, but the war in Libya is a tribal war, more than a war of freedom, and to get involved is not the wisest of actions.
menino
Yes, the civil war in Libya is more to do with Tribal issues that they have amongst themselves, but the interference of Nato there, is mainly to help the civilians there, although there may be more to it than that.
There will be a lot of conspiracy theories, and who knows what the real truth is.

But for any leader to be uprooted, will always require some period of instability, untill a governing body comes into place.

Fact of the matter, is that as long as the fight keeps on going, innocent lives are affected negatively.
deanhills
menino wrote:
Fact of the matter, is that as long as the fight keeps on going, innocent lives are affected negatively.
Right, but I can't help getting the impression that the more the West is siding on the side of the rebels, the more lives are lost. It's not getting better, it's getting worse.
airh3ad
yes An international arrest warrant was issued against Libyan leader. Gaddafi had been a target of the ICC since June 27, when the court issued arrest warrants for Saif and his father, Col. Muammar Gaddafi.
mahirh
steve jobs : one dies - thousands mourn

gaddafi : one killed - thousands enjoy
Josso
He was killed by a mob, great how barbaric
bukaida
His death was inevitable. It is better that he was killed on his homeland by his own people. If he was arrested, his fate would have been similar to Saddam.
tingkagol
Indeed. That's probably one of the most media-covered, dramatic deaths of a public figure I've seen. You can see the dread in his face after his capture. He knew he was facing certain death in the next few seconds.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/warning-gaddafi-meets-bloody-end-pics-1.1161879
deanhills
I must say his death must be an anti-climax, even for Ghadaffi, who in the end never got his day in court. The people also never got the opportunity to charge him with all of his crimes. I find it a very uneventful death really. No assassination, no public hanging, all that happened was him getting caught in the firing line as he was fleeing his home town (apparently). I'd imagine him being fuming mad where he is right now as I'd imagine he would have wished a much "grander" exit for himself than that.
Twisted Evil
tingkagol
Well, good thing he didn't get what he 'wanted'. I don't think uneventful is a proper word to describe it. Yes, it lacked grandeur and all the formalities/civility, but I would still say it was 'grand' in its own twisted way because it was the most humiliating death in the hands of the very people he oppressed for so many years. He treated his people like animals and therefore he was also treated as such. It came full circle.

His pleas "don't shoot! what did i do to you? why are you hurting me?" are just contradictory and a bit humorous.
drunkenkoz
Everything that's been happening in the past 10 years since the 9/11 incident has been a conspiracy. I don't really think there is any truth to what's going on in this world anymore.
deanhills
drunkenkoz wrote:
Everything that's been happening in the past 10 years since the 9/11 incident has been a conspiracy. I don't really think there is any truth to what's going on in this world anymore.
You could be right. No one really knows how he died "for sure". For all we know he did not really die and it was just a camouflage. Didn't he do that with one of his sons and a daughter as well? Pretend they had been dead in order to protect them?
bukaida
He lived like a king and died like a dog. May be he deserved a little dignified death.
deanhills
bukaida wrote:
He lived like a king and died like a dog. May be he deserved a little dignified death.
Right! Think Saddam Hussein went through something like that too, as well as Mubarak of Egypt. Has to make dictators of other countries quite nervous about their own situations.
Anxious
jmlworld
deanhills wrote:
bukaida wrote:
He lived like a king and died like a dog. May be he deserved a little dignified death.
Right! Think Saddam Hussein went through something like that too, as well as Mubarak of Egypt. Has to make dictators of other countries quite nervous about their own situations.
Anxious


Wait few months and you'll see Bashar El-Assad and Ali Abdalla Saleh going through this pain too. Look what these dictators have done to their people throughout their reigns and you'll admit what goes around comes around and no matter how cozy their lives were, they are the masterminds of their own downfalls and they'll eventually fall in pathetic fashion.

And I agree he may deserved a little dignified death, but what do you expect from people he tortured their relatives? I wouldn't celebrate like them though. It's disgusting to celebrate the death of a human being, regardless of their previous crimes.

The Greater Middle East and Sub-saharan Africa are through a transformation period. Let's wait few more years until the message goes through, from Indonesia to Somalia to West Africa. We need more heroes from these regions.
deanhills
jmlworld wrote:
I wouldn't celebrate like them though. It's disgusting to celebrate the death of a human being, regardless of their previous crimes.
Agreed. It was pretty disgusting, but so was the US celebrating after the assassination of Ossama Bin Laden, including Obama staking his claim to fame. I don't see much of a difference here.
Sad
jmlworld
deanhills wrote:
jmlworld wrote:
I wouldn't celebrate like them though. It's disgusting to celebrate the death of a human being, regardless of their previous crimes.
Agreed. It was pretty disgusting, but so was the US celebrating after the assassination of Ossama Bin Laden, including Obama staking his claim to fame. I don't see much of a difference here.
Sad


Reminds me the Celebrating Death thread. When the emotions are high, many people don't know what they're doing. They only remember what they're doing when its too late.
deanhills
jmlworld wrote:
Reminds me the Celebrating Death thread. When the emotions are high, many people don't know what they're doing. They only remember what they're doing when its too late.
Agreed! We're far from perfect from a humanitarian point of view.
mahirh
deanhills wrote:
Agreed! We're far from perfect from a humanitarian point of view.

yeah, feel so too. Dont you hate it when you see a good person painted to be an evil person by the media? i guess this is what happening for him, from some reports i have seen on the intergalactic-webs. some of the natives of the intergalactic-webs say that media has failed to show his humane and kind nature (of which we have never heard of) and has figuratively killed him mentally
they say libyans are lucky for having gaddafi rule them. Did he loot the country? No, he did not (atleast according to them). they say introducing democracy will get the country in a very bad condition ultimately.Yes,Gaddafi has spent millions of Libya`s money on personal ventures , but let me ask you? is the average Libyan poor?
They say Gaddafi had introduced the following to libya
Quote:
Now let us get to the unknown facts about the Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi:

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya ; electricity is free for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.

3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya . Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms – all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.

8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000.

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree

16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

Which other dictator has done much good to his people besides.

The above two points which were itching enemy(west) of Gaddafi are no external debt for this country and The project called Man Made River by the King, Gaddafi doesn’t want Libyans to be dependent on others for Water, Petrol or Irrigation or any… he tried his best but enemy wins!!!!!! and poor ignorant people handed them self to enemy by killing a protector and his sons in such a manner that even animals will not do to their enemy after all he was a king to them.

ABOUT MAN-MADE RIVER(The Project which bought water in a Desert)

28 August 1984: Muammar Gaddafi lays the foundation stone in Sarir area for the commencement of the construction of the Great Man-Made River Project.

it is the largest underground network of pipes (2820 km) [2] and aqueducts in the world. It consists of more than 1,300 wells, most more than 500 m deep, and supplies 6,500,000 m3 of fresh water per day to the cities of Tripoli, Benghazi, Sirte and elsewhere. The deceased Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi described it as the "Eighth Wonder of the World.”

The project is owned by the Great Man-Made River Project Authority and funded by the Gaddafi government.

The total cost of the project is projected at more than US$25 billion. Libya claims to have completed the work to date without the financial support of major countries or loans from world banks.

The fossil aquifer from which this water is being supplied is the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System. It accumulated during the last ice age and is not currently being replenished. If 2007 rates of retrieval are not increased, the water could last a thousand years.

During the 2011 Libyan civil war, the Great Manmade River was bombed by NATO, cutting off drinking water supplies for many Libyans as a result.
ocalhoun
mahirh wrote:

They say Gaddafi had introduced the fllowing to libya


Skeptical pony is skeptical about these claims.
deanhills
I think some of the claims are realistic, from the point of view that family is everything to Muslims. I'm certain Ghadaffi would not have been an exception to this. But I also believe that Ghadaffi thought that everything belonged to him by virtue of his leadership and this misconception caused him to use public funds for his own account, not thinking that there is a difference between the two. He would also favour his own family and friends for positions of power when there had been other candidates more suitable for the positions. Etc. Etc. Bottomline, he had been in power much too long, and all of the corruption and fraud multiplied a few times over because of years and years of misappropriation. Ditto Mubarak of Egypt.
mahirh
ocalhoun wrote:
mahirh wrote:

They say Gaddafi had introduced the following to libya


Skeptical pony is skeptical about these claims.

my source - http://occupywallst.org/forum/biggest-heist-in-history-of-mankind/
and for the type, sorry - i typed the whole thing in a text editor which did not have spell check and my auto-correct has worsened my spelling too
deanhills
@mahirh. I just love those Hitler shows, and this one was particularly good!
ocalhoun
mahirh wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
mahirh wrote:

They say Gaddafi had introduced the following to libya


Skeptical pony is skeptical about these claims.

my source - http://occupywallst.org/forum/biggest-heist-in-history-of-mankind/

*looks at source*
Hmm... source does not list sources.
*Does some research*

While a superficial investigation of the subject does make most of these claims seem more plausible... This source focuses entirely on the positive aspects, ignoring the significant negative aspects of his rule:

wikipedia: human rights in Libya wrote:

Dissent is illegal under Law 75 of 1973.[22] Reportedly 10 to 20 percent of Libyans work in surveillance for Gaddafi's Revolutionary Committees[citation needed], a proportion of informants on par with Saddam Hussein's Iraq or Kim Jong Il's North Korea. The surveillance takes place in government, in factories, and in the education sector.[22]

Political conversations with foreigners is a crime punishable by three years of prison[citation needed]. Following an abortive attempt to replace English foreign language education with Russian,[69] in recent years English has been taught in Libyan schools from a primary level, and students have access to English-language media.[70] However, one protester in 2011 described the situation as: "None of us can speak English or French. He kept us ignorant and blindfolded".[71]

Prisons are run with little or no documentation of the inmate population or of such basic data as prisoner's crime and sentence.[22]

Libya is the most censored country in the Middle East and North Africa, according to the Freedom of the Press Index.


So, a more benevolent tyrant than most give him credit for... but still a tyrant.
mahirh
ocalhoun wrote:

Hmm... source does not list sources.

they do - http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27280
see the first few lines to see what i mean
also see - http://blogs.aaj.tv/2011/10/message-from-colonel-mu%E2%80%99ummar-qaddafi/
ocalhoun
^Oh, I'm sure now that he did make some wonderful socialist reforms...
But that this also came at the price of basic freedoms in the population.

To assert government control over both economic and personal freedoms in the name of security in both forms... That's classic totalitarianism... A political stance similar to fascism.
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