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Firefox gives up on proper software version numbers





loyal
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Over the past seven years, we've come to expect Firefox Web browser releases to bring major new interface changes, improved performance, and browsing tools. But since Mozilla decided to follow Google's frequent release strategy, we'll have to temper our expectations for new Firefox releases. Version 5 of Mozilla's volunteer-crafted browser software brings a lot of fixes, but pretty much zilch when it comes to interface advancements or new user tools.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387170,00.asp

I do think it's stupid to follow in Google's path in this issue. Having slow major releases gives us time to get used to one version, learn how to use all the new things. It gives us confidence that effort, time, and innovation has gone into the build; not just a few bug fixes and the moving of a button to another location. Why are they copying google? sigh...
Nameless
Big numbers sounds more impressive to 'casual' (read: stupid) users. Not really rocket science.
cybersa
Tomorrow Firefox 5 is going to release.
But it is already available to download.
ocalhoun
Nameless wrote:
Big numbers sounds more impressive to 'casual' (read: stupid) users. Not really rocket science.

Exactly. IE is already well beyond a measly version 5! It's obviously superior.
(Just like mac os 10 is obviously better than windows 7)
[/sarcasm]

In any case, I've pretty much decided to stay with firefox 3... when I saw that one of the main selling points of version 4 was simplification for the sake of speed and even worse, for the sake of being easy to learn, I gave up on it. I like my slow, bloated, but extremely feature-rich version, thank you.
kacsababa
Which features you miss in Firefox 4?
I can't recall one for myself and my Firefox 4 is just as bloated as Firefox 3 (except tabs are on top and menubar is hidden by default). Smile

Where I see that Mozilla tries to simplify things is the addon development, ie the Jetpacks / Addon SDK project, which is intented for people with only html+css+javascript knowledge, but this is a good thing, especially because the old methods are still supported for 1-2 years.
Nameless
I think the only feature actually removed from from Firefox 4 (or at least, the only one I noticed) was the status bar, for some God-knows-why reason. There's an add-on that replaces it, though.
kacsababa
Yeah, they have an addon bar now, which can be turned on/off and looks the same by default, the only change basicly is that it doesn't shows the status there, because those has been changed to that chrome like status messages.
jmlworld
Firefox 5 is now live; it was released yesterday. I wonder what will happen to traditional version-ing system where major versions (i.e. versions with UI overhaul, or major functionality changed) used to get the major numbers. Google has created all the fuzz by messing up the software version-ing procedure.

The only noticeable difference between FF4 and FF5 is that the latter supports more HTML5 and CSS3 awesomeness and it's JavaScript rendering is faster than the previous FF4.

Now, it's all numbers and it doesn't matter whether they release the next version as Firefox 2012 or something like that, but its frustrating to those concerned by numbers.

ocalhoun wrote:
Exactly. IE is already well beyond a measly version 5! It's obviously superior.
(Just like mac os 10 is obviously better than windows 7)


I couldn't agree more. The higher the version number, the more it's appreciated by folks, regardless of the software manufacturer's version system. Mozilla noticed that one of the few reasons people choose Chrome over Firefox is the version number.

Nameless wrote:
I think the only feature actually removed from from Firefox 4 (or at least, the only one I noticed) was the status bar, for some God-knows-why reason. There's an add-on that replaces it, though.


The status bar is there, but they tweaked it so it only appears when the document is loading or when you hover on links, etc... It's not as 100% wide as the traditional status bars though. Anyways, it was annoying and a waste of space in my opinion.
loyal
jmlworld wrote:

I couldn't agree more. The higher the version number, the more it's appreciated by folks, regardless of the software manufacturer's version system. Mozilla noticed that one of the few reasons people choose Chrome over Firefox is the version number.


I'm not sure that's true. Where is the evidence to support it?

I think people choose Chrome over Firefox because chrome is updated so much faster than Firefox. Look at how fast Google made Chrome into a fully-fledged browser.
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I think FF is going to make itself a less favourable choice for companies and organisations with this rapid version change. Look at how slow companies have been at changing from XP. They're not going to want to keep spending money, time, and undergo problems to upgrade to newer versions. No wonder ie6's usage lasted so long! And the support for FF4 by Mozilla has already ended!
cybersa
loyal wrote:

I think people choose Chrome over Firefox because chrome is updated so much faster than Firefox. Look at how fast Google made Chrome into a fully-fledged browser.
!

Yeah,True.
Firefox is going bad in PC and Mobile also.
FunDa
Yeah, I kept thinking, Firefox Mobile would be so great long before Chrome even existed, but now I think Opera is still the best mobile browser, and hope that Chrome will release a good mobile browser to compete with Opera Mini
cybersa
FunDa wrote:
Yeah, I kept thinking, Firefox Mobile would be so great long before Chrome even existed, but now I think Opera is still the best mobile browser, and hope that Chrome will release a good mobile browser to compete with Opera Mini

Chrome Browser for Android would be nice.
But STOCK Android browser is already working well.
chartcentral
I was kind of shocked to hear Mozilla Firefox 5 being out already. This would have been 4.1 or if they want a 4.5 (like the 1.5 iteration), seeing that there's not really much difference with the previous version. But they do have their reasons, and I for one am still using this browser no matter how fast their version number increments. Smile
Navigator
chartcentral wrote:
I was kind of shocked to hear Mozilla Firefox 5 being out already. This would have been 4.1 or if they want a 4.5 (like the 1.5 iteration), seeing that there's not really much difference with the previous version. But they do have their reasons, and I for one am still using this browser no matter how fast their version number increments. Smile


Idle question, and what ARE the actual differences between 4 and 5?
cybersa
WoW,I knew one difference between firefox 4 and firefox 5.
Select some text like cybapps.com and right click and choose open link in foreground tab.
kacsababa
Here is the new things at hacks.mozilla.org.

Whats promoted as new is the css animations (keyframe animations, like the webkit one), better canvas handling and some html5 improvement. Oh and they try to make people notice the do-not-track feature, that one is highlighted too that the preference has been moved to a place where you can more easely find it. Smile
chartcentral
I'm quite disappointed that even though the version number has gone up to Version 5, they still haven't done something about the "Close Firefox" error that I encounter sometimes when I try to open the browser (first encountered in Version 3).
ocalhoun
chartcentral wrote:
I'm quite disappointed that even though the version number has gone up to Version 5, they still haven't done something about the "Close Firefox" error that I encounter sometimes when I try to open the browser (first encountered in Version 3).

That's true. I've had the same problem (the application closes, but the process does not, and it refuses to open new instances of the application while the old process is still running, so the process has to be manually killed before firefox can be started again). Now a solution to that would be worth upgrading versions for.
FunDa
kacsababa wrote:
Here is the new things at hacks.mozilla.org.

Whats promoted as new is the css animations (keyframe animations, like the webkit one), better canvas handling and some html5 improvement. Oh and they try to make people notice the do-not-track feature, that one is highlighted too that the preference has been moved to a place where you can more easely find it. Smile



All browsers should keep Do Not Track on by default, and have a dangerous looking button, saying "Track me" or "Spy on me" Laughing

Its ridiculous, the amount of information websites try to glean about you, just to make you buy stuff through ads. Evil or Very Mad
Nameless
FunDa wrote:
Its ridiculous, the amount of information websites try to glean about you, just to make you buy stuff through ads. Evil or Very Mad

Between constantly seeing ads for products that interest you or constantly seeing ads for products you'd rather set on fire, which would you prefer?
mahirh
Nameless wrote:

Between constantly seeing ads for products that interest you or constantly seeing ads for products you'd rather set on fire, which would you prefer?

then let me ask you. which would you like
hearing the news that a multimillion software corporation has sold your privacy to companies for money and finally someone like the infamous lulzsec releasing it for everyone to see or to keep your likes and dislikes to yourself
Nameless
mahirh wrote:
Nameless wrote:

Between constantly seeing ads for products that interest you or constantly seeing ads for products you'd rather set on fire, which would you prefer?

then let me ask you. which would you like
hearing the news that a multimillion software corporation has sold your privacy to companies for money and finally someone like the infamous lulzsec releasing it for everyone to see or to keep your likes and dislikes to yourself

I'd be pretty indifferent to the world at large finding out my browsing history (protip: my god, it involves porn!), and you can't blame private companies for the actions of criminals.
cybersa
Firefox moved to New Beta FireFox6 Beta.
ocalhoun
Nameless wrote:

I'd be pretty indifferent to the world at large finding out my browsing history (protip: my god, it involves porn!), and you can't blame private companies for the actions of criminals.

Not all people would be so comfortable with a public browsing record, however.
And I can blame private companies for putting me at increased risk from criminals: data that is not collected, or at least not stored, cannot be stolen.
By collecting and storing that data, they put my privacy at risk... in the name of increasing their profits by (poorly) targeting ads at me.

(Personally, I use a firefox addon called ghostery, which selectively blocks trackers, while letting needed cookies work fine... It even picks up some to block at Frihost! - Google adsense apparently keeps track of more than just the context of the page. - )
loyal
FunDa wrote:

Its ridiculous, the amount of information websites try to glean about you, just to make you buy stuff through ads. Evil or Very Mad


Even Yahoo has lost the plot with giving itself the power to go through your emails all for the sake of advertising... http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/mapping-babel-10017967/yahoo-chided-by-which-for-email-change-10023269/

ocalhoun wrote:

(Personally, I use a firefox addon called ghostery, which selectively blocks trackers, while letting needed cookies work fine... It even picks up some to block at Frihost! - Google adsense apparently keeps track of more than just the context of the page. - )


I use the hosts file to block loads of ad sites: http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
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