Ok I will start thi one off.
That's free without it we are dead!
That's free without it we are dead!
Ok I will start thi one off.
That's free without it we are dead!
Quiet or government will soon start making you pay to it too.
Carbon tax frowns displeasurably at you.
I was glad to see this mentioned second!
PS. Sound and Noise are free it's peace and quiet that will cost you!
I'll go all artsy here and say - love.
You'll have to pay for one kind of love, though...
our minds, thoughts and dreams are free...
Frihost, free electronics from old ladies, free food, can't think of a whole lot else though.
This is totally random. Free electronics from old ladies? I must have not got that memo?
Free food? I have a specific request with many people to let me know when and where one can acquire free food, as satisfying hunger is always a financial burden in this country. My network has reported no such findings lately! That's not to say free food doesn't exist, but I can speak from experience that "free food" is never consistent. How and when you come by it changes frequently. Do tell where you get this information -- free food.
Frihost can't be mentioned enough on this topic. If I were a referee I would give you two points!
Getting help from other people used to be free, now it's rare - too bad because as a social species helping other people is, I think, one of the things that has kept us alive so far.
Unfortunately, all that's left free in our times are our thoughts (unless they come out of our mouths or hands of course)... that is quite unfortunate, I think.
Well and electronics from old ladies, that too... as a DIY electronics hobbyist I find that extremely useful!
I completely agree with this statement. Unfortunately we might find out too late that caring for each other helps us survive.
Free bill (when buy something).
Don't give businesses any ideas!!! Next they will start charging us to bill us!
Uh, I'm pretty sure this already happens. You know, when a company gives you a 'discount' to pay by method X instead of face to face or whatever.
You are correct! haha, I was kind of thinking the same thing but didn't come up with an example.
Your family and people who you befriend all come as free presents in life!
Ps: DEATH is free...
Underworld assassins would like to have some words with you.
Sun light and Moon Light free forever.
Free speech. But, free speech is dead these days. You cannot swear in front of a jury, and you cannot hand vast amount of confidential government documents to Julian Assange.
Thing that is not free!
Beware clicking on the link will cost you!
Thing that is free.
free frihost the best.
What does it cost... haha, you have me perplexed! Have you figured out how to take my fridollars (shakes fist)
All over the world Advice is free thing.
But difficult to follow.
I am ranting about the unfair pricing of my service provider, the article explains it. Suddenly, the internet is not very 'free'.
AIR is free - including the stuff that comes down wind!
Everything has some kind of cost hidden away which provides for the 'free' activity/experiences in life.
I was going to suggest swimming in the sea, or even just building a sandcastle on the beach, but thinking about it, my taxes/sewer charges pay for the waste treatment to keep the water clear and the council workers who pick the rubbish off the sand at 8am every morning.
Even catching a 'free' fish and cooking it at the shore involves paying for something, rod/hooks/fishing line etc, unless you are going for a Bear Grylls type experience and use survivalist methods - something I try every now and then with my son...but with much less success than when using modern equipment!
I'm going cliff jumping with my lad later this afternoon and that is a 'free' activity, but to enjoy it you really need to spend money on a wetsuit for the 8C temp sea we've got.
I never pay to go camping usually, just pitching tent on various beaches around here instead. Again though, the tent wasn't free. We sometimes build our own shelters and bushcraft 'camp' in nearby woodlands - it's almost 'free' but without first paying for my hatchet and bow-saw it would be a struggle to construct a half decent place to rest your head for the night!
I guess there are some truly free things such as the air we breathe and that wonderful feeling of warm summer rain on your face, or even the beautiful scenes nature creates for us in meadows of flowers etc, but even collecting driftwood off the shore for a fire has a cost - the labour and energy required to gather it.
Time is free.
On the other hand, you can actually save(buy) time by using modern technology, like pay more and get an airline ticket, istead of going by a train... you can save a lot of time!
Mine is definitely not, I'd expect at least minimum wage for any of my time
looks like im lucky , Qatar government telecom supplies 1mbps internet for about 54.9526 U.S. dollars a month with unlimited cap , so this will not be a problem for us, so far , its the lowest option
Both of you are right if we are talking about what you want to do in period of time. But if we time treat without start or end then this time is free. Our focus on some part give price for it.
to access the internet, apart from the service provider, you need a computer, data cable/connection, electricity, so I guess terming it as free is wrong anyway...
Advice is not free, there are plenty of services which will charge you for financial planning etc.
Air is not free, go ask a scuba diver where they get their oxygen tanks.
If you think time is free, allow me to introduce you to the concept of opportunity cost. Topic over?
Hunger is free
Is hunger really one of the 'best things in life'? I mean, I know I'm starving myself all the time for the sheer joy of it but I'm not sure everybody shares that kind of a passion.
I think all the best things in life are free and the true.
Only prefer one way is not good idea.
The air we breath in is free.
The life we have is free.
The love of God is free.
We have so many free things in this life. Its uncountable.
Apparently stupidity, ignorance, and annoying opinionated replies are all free!!
Depending on your religion, there are a lot of costs involved in maintaining any semblance of faith. There's time involved in prayers and worship, rules and commandments you have to follow, donations or tithes ... Technically the love itself might be 'free', but it's fairly meaningless unless you pay through some kind of action to demonstrate or live by that.
Of course, being an atheist I could argue that it cost you intelligence too, but that would be a low blow.
I think what Nameless means is that with intelligence comes a certain measure of not being able to blindly accept any religion. Intelligence means you question, and most people who follow religions do not have a questioning nature that drives a person to more knowledge and a greater understanding of our situation. I think it's possible for intelligent people to follow religions, but only if they don't think about it much. If they apply their intelligence, or questioning nature, then most religions of the world will come up lacking and more outside sources are required for "the bigger picture."
I think it was Bikerman that stated in another thread that quantifying the human soul, or proving that it even exists is impossible, so no argument can realistically be made that there is anything more to live than we are living now.
It is also decidedly unintelligent to worship a god just because you can't prove that he doesn't exist. This would mean we should also worship pink elephants, snipes, and the bogeyman. It also means that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are just as important as Jesus.
It may not be a complete, all-inclusive, statement that Nameless made, but it makes perfect sense. Dean, just don't let the fact that you are religious make that a statement that judges your intelligence. Just open yourself up to more sources, and gain insight over and above what little evidence (if any) other's settle for and we'll all be more intelligent, and you won't be limited to one interpretation.
Dean, it is decidedly unintelligent to continue only reading the Bible for guidance and insight. The Bible is antiquated, inaccurate, and manipulated back and forth over the years to satisfy different regimes political agendas. All they want is for you to question your worthiness, and to question if you are good enough, and they have you completely under their control. They can continue to fill their pews and coffers with money, which legitimizes and finances their authority over you. They will only ever tell you what you need to hear to keep supporting them and their business. They don't care if you know the truth, but I do, Dean. I really care for you and I like you A LOT!!!
Again, I've got no problem with what Nameless said. He wrote a little bit more than a one-liner which makes your very long comment on his behalf quite bizarre. No doubt he will come up with his usual dry humour. And what is particularly great is that he is usually very economical with his words as well. Now that to me is a sign of REAL intelligence.
I think it's obvious that you took some comments personally that were directed at religions in general because you identify yourself as a religious person, but unintelligent you are not, my friend.
Just because someone says religion is stupid, and you participate, doesn't make you stupid, so you can't claim that although you make a good case for yourself! just kidding ... it's important that you understand we're not dissing you but think what you have to say is important.
It is important to us that if you find out everything there is to know about your faith/religion, and you stick with it, then we're actually much more open then people think because we listen to your take and want details that might give us some insight. Where you loose us is when you buy the unprovable statements made in religion, limit your sources so you are not getting the whole picture, and close your mind around one or two ideas. That's the quickest way to make it seem like all we want to do is attack you, but only because you've set yourself up in opposition to a few practices that we feel help a person make intelligent choices. It's very possible for an intelligent person to choose to be unwise, so that's really what we fight against. If you can wisely show belief in god is prudent, then you'll find atheists lining up to hear what you have to say, and if your wisdom holds up to a little reasoning you'll find they convert themselves. Just stop fearing their process -- it's why christians won't listen to good arguments because they've been taught to fear questioning. "Do not put the lord your God to the test"... sound familiar? Do i really need to come full circle again on system of control? The key controlling someone: stop them from asking questions, and make them fearful to ask more questions.
Honestly, if god made me, then why was it so important that I ask so many questions especially if he didn't want someone asking them? My brain fires off probably 10 questions a minute -- loaded questions -- especially when we're talking religion and philosophy (in general chat no less). Every time there is even the slightest inconsistency or conflict my brain starts firing the questions again, and it's not something I've done to give myself a questioning nature. The questions have always been there, and so I eventually picked up trying to get some answered when I was a teen, and now you find me as an adult with not more answers, but even bigger questions.
I can see how questioning after you are all knowing could be counter-productive, but questioning before one knows everything is simply learning. I have never understood why so many christians have been so mean to me just because I ask a question.
I say it all the time but the messiah was built and sold 21 times before it finally stuck on Jesus and he became the universal messiah for everyone.
Christians came to me and said "Jesus was uniquely born of a virgin" and "His heavenly father makes him devine." I asked the simple question "How many other people claim to be born of a virgin?" and the answer I get from the history books is roughly 21 came before Jesus, the known, Christ.
Does the question make me a sinner? I just simply wanted to know how many people came before him claiming the same thing, and I feel asking means I want information and has little to do with how much or how little I believe. What christains don't understand is no one is born with faith... you have to grow and decide what you believe. I hadn't decided to believe anything before the christains were treating me like an outsider for the kinds of questions that I was asking, and I felt they were perfectly fair. I also felt that it was dangerous to not have answers to some of the questions I have.
I gained a measure of intelligence from the answer because I know something most people don't know, especially most christains, and that is that there were 21 virgin births before Jesus' claimed virgin birth (first mentioned many many many years after his death). And what do you think is more likely... these 21 virgin births of Egyptian rulers affected the Israelites idea of what a messiah is, or someone actually had a child while they were still a virgin. Really? You mean the Israelites had an image of a messiah beat into their heads for many years before they came up with one... strange! (it's called sarcasm... it's decidedly not strange at all)
Next I naturally fire the question at the christians to confirm my suspicions that they are closed-minded and five minutes of digging produced truth that most of them don't know -- "What do you think about the other 21 virgin births?" and I get no response!!! I seriously want to know what they think, and how that makes them feel, and all I get is sour faces, and hurt feelings.
What substance is there if one question brings it all down? What substance is there if one question infuriates you? What substance is there if one challenge causes you to bring your whole army to bear? What substance will be there when I have asked my billion other questions?
Religion asks that we accept without evidence and proof, and science doesn't require you to believe anything without evidence or proof. One day, it is my hope, they are one and the same. Religion shouldn't require anyone to accept it's evidence or proof.
I completely agree. The Bible is actually a very valuable historic text full of spiritual and moral guidance in a world that is in ever increasing need of, but it's just 1 source. Many sources should be used to paint more accurate pictures of history. I read through the Bible and repeated 7 times until I was about half way through the 8th time, and I put it down and I have never really picked it up since. If I find the need, then I will return to it, but I know I've read the Bible the last time through that I will ever read it. There are many more other religious texts that I would pick up first for a little "light reading." (haha, light reading)
I own three Bibles, each a different version, and each with my name on it -- thanks, mom! I don't , however, own a want to read any of them any more.
Libraries... While not completely free as we pay to support them in our taxes they are still a great thing if you like reading and they are considered free as far as I look at it since we don't pay directly to the library and we don't pay more if we use it or not.
we have air to breathe in free of charge.
we have our lives and opportunities.
the love of God is free for the world and for everybody who intends to take it.
life is free and its a gift from God
Are you talking about the christian god or the islamic allah? Love is not free there, bro. It requires faith in both counts, and without faith in those religions you get the "free" discrimination and possibly war against you.
Religious discrimination and hatred are free... love requires commitment and faith in those religions. Those religions preach love, but the underlying theme is kill your enemy in both religions.
Quick substitute the Santa Claus in the sky god for this thread as the "fire and brimstone" war mongering spiritual deity won't go over well here, and we need to improve our recruitment numbers!!! Damn, if we could only have IceCreamTruck join our religion we'd really be something then, wouldn't we?!?!? He's obviously not as important as we are to Jesus though cause we've been buddies with ol' J.C. forever!
I'm ready any time, Greatking, just turn on the love spicket cause I'm ready to take some love -- any time... you just say the word. Wait, you're telling me that god's love can't be quantified or measured, and thus cannot be taken or given? Hmmm, it has a lot in common with things that don't exist... are you sure it's real or are you just making this up?
OK, now back with the topic, looks as though being a Christian or being an Atheist comes at a price. Even peace comes at a price as well? So maybe we are not as free as we may hope to be?
OMG, lmaorofl .... I've started to hate that forum, and YES! Do not go in there! lol ... it currently has the appeal of a day old bucket of vomit for me!
Nah, let's kill them all! Just kidding....
I agree... I often say 1 all-powerful god, and 7 billion unique perspectives of god. We are all the same, but we need to realize that, and that no one's perspective is the same. We literally cannot believe the same thing... it's impossible. Churches divide all the time when they figure out they have differences that cannot be resolved, so really the only churches that are still together are the ones that haven't figured out that everyone in their congregation believes something different. I love it when churches implode like this because it's proof they cannot deny human nature indefinitely.
My want for people to have more information and make more intelligent decisions IS a want to change them. I'm sorry but I feel stupidity is more dangerous than we currently know, and the shear number of imbeciles on this planet at this time MAY mean our downfall as a race. That has yet to be determined.
It's either try to get them to open their own minds and start taking in more knowledge or I have to start killing them. Are there other options since they threaten my safety? I don't mean to alienate you, as I have never felt that you are stupid or unintelligent, Dean, and I know you are christian but that doesn't automatically exclude you from being intelligent no matter how hard your compatriots try to make me think it does.
As I said... there is nothing wrong with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and I do believe his statement that "no one comes to the father, but by me" as not being exclusive but as describing what happens to someone who comes to understand god. I don't believe we are all one here and now, because this is a place of separation and to experience what it is to be alone (that is, i feel, the major purpose of this "game") and when we return to the oneness that we came from then a complete knowledge of Jesus and his teachings is guaranteed, so fundamentally our beliefs are closer than you think, but I choose to experience everything that god is sharing, and I think no human is excluded from that unless they choose to experience only loneliness.
You must come with me on a journey though! Check out William Henry... I really like what this guy is doing with history and multiple religions. He's taking the old imagery and noting the similarities between christian, Egyptian, hindu, Buddhist, and many more cultures teachings and images to paint this bigger picture, and he's found some surprising similarities. Imagery that shows Jesus crossing the river of life on a serpent raft wearing a cloak of many colors looks to be exactly like images of Buddha wearing the same rainbow cloak sitting on a raft adorned with serpents. It all describes supernatural beings coming and going from earth.
History has shown us, and the accounts of people in witness, that the same images and descriptions of those events keep coming up over and over and over even across continents where news did not travel amongst unrelated people groups, and the same images end up in conflicting religions. We even have some super natural events witness by 60k plus people in South America, and that, to me, is fairly impossible to ignore.
I'm not interested in the lies of yesterday, but the truth of tomorrow. I think you'll find that Jesus is a major player, but not for the reasons that we commonly attribute his divinity: miracles, virgin birth, prophecies, etc. He's a major player because he ascended, and he appeared many more places on earth after his ascension and this history was excluded or never written into the current popular Bible, and his miracles were really a byproduct of his ascension and not the other way around.
Both the moron (mormon) faith and the Native American Indians have historical accounts of Jesus visiting the Americas after his death in the Middle East. Those are unrelated accounts of the same phenomenon of a "light being" in a rainbow cloak appearing to people. The problem is the details are vague because the American Indians did not record their history in text, but in rough pictures.
The same type of events in South American history around the same time arises much concern in me, as I wonder why no one feels the need to investigate these things ... except for our wonderful guy William Henry who's attempting to paint a more complete picture. Warning: some of his findings WILL cause you to have to reevaluate your faith because you will find some of your beliefs are based on the beliefs inherited from the Israelites' time in captivity in Egypt. It also doesn't help that they used computers to simulate "red sea parting" type events, and they found a place where water parting occurs naturally and it's more on the route the Israelites took out of Egypt, and it can also account for Pharaoh's lost chariots. You really have to use Occam's Razor on that one -- the simplest solution is usually right.
When you start opening yourself up to history, then major parts of the Bible fall apart because they are based on old ideology and ancient paradigms that make no sense today. The Bible as a whole holds up fairly well even if you burn off all the fat, so to speak, and has much of what people like William Henry draw their material from.
I can actually say that William has shown me more truth in the Bible than any christian could possibly have have shown me in the Bible because you have to know some of the things I have been shown or read about history in order to get the ability to see the meaning under a lot of the words. It's like the word serpent in the Bible... it describes angles streaking across the sky if you have the old paradigm in mind and imagine that anything they saw that was long and slender looked like a snake to them, but to me this is an effect we've seen many times if a light moves fast past our eyes on the highway produces streaks but it's very unlike a serpent to us (they never saw lights streaking on the highway; old paradigm). This is exactly what I mean. You can't think serpent... think light and a bright object moving very fast -- our minds don't think "sky snake" when we see jet trails because we don't have that old paradigm any more... our paradigm has shifted because of more knowledge.
So Jesus being on a serpent raft crossing the river of life, translates more to Jesus entered a portal and traversed a worm hole to a place in the Universe, outside of our perception. This is how I feel you must examine the Bible today... with a new paradigm, and be ready to do some translation in order to gain any kind of understanding because the people describing what really happened weren't very intelligent, informed, or knowledgeable, and sometimes they didn't have much imagination. It doesn't invalidate their description of what they saw, but I think it's time to drop the "evil serpent" and go with brilliant, fast moving object, that can hurt you. So many people today have this image of Satan as a serpent, like a reptile, and it really bothers me that this imagery has been so distorted.
I don't doubt that a supernatural being could just as easily appear as a snake as appear as a human, and appearing as an animal, or reptile may have caused them to make connections that weren't there because of their point of view or paradigm, and a direct need to describe the long slender streaks in the sky.
The Bible even describes aliens coming to earth and breeding with Humans to create super humans, or the "heros of old" and this could be legitimizing greek gods and goddesses, but we have little time frame to go on when it comes to the old testament. It says the earth was created in days, but could be years, centuries, or millennia. The timing of it all doesn't matter to me, cause the fantastic stuff in the Bible causes great concern to me regardless of when it happened, especially since most modern christians literally believe that stuff was just put in their to test their faith! Some believe that dinosaur bones were put here to test our faith, and I believe those people were put here to test my faith!
Don't tell the Christians I think they are partially right... it will only go to their heads, and they need to do some serious paradigm shifting.
I'll finish your statements at another time... I only answered a few here.
PS. My opinion, and sharing my perspective: free!
Just found this neat Magic Pony artwork .... sort of reminded me of some of my last discussions in the Phil&Rel Forum
What is a parasprite?
oh, and, you get a pizza from pizza hut free after half an hour....
This is an American created idea, and I'm wondering if they do that in India? Almost no pizza places do this here in the states any more. Usually though if you have a valid complaint then you don't pay for the food and that goes for almost any restaurant. Pizza places usually say 1 hour now, and if they are earlier than that it's cool.
Yup, I believe dominoes and pizza hut both give out free pizzas for delayed delivery..
also, pizza hut has this stupid offer, where theres a 'hot dot' on the box, and if the box is hot, then the dot says something like "hot", if it's cold, then it turns black, so if the pizza's not hot when it reaches you, it's free..
hehe, It's India... tropical, and anyway, It's summer right now, they might just terminate the offer in winter...
So much for getting free pizza on Christmas day!
Life is free. What you chose to make of it, that doesn't have to be free, but people often forget how frugal lives can be and instead focus on spending and earning money which sucks, because money's value is only virtual ie. money rarely translates into happiness.
I looked to see where you are from because I didn't recognize the language in your signature at first, but it's polish, no? I mention because I too am polish, but I was born in the USA. You must help me learn the language!
I liked your comment! It describes what I really feel about money: it's someone else's system of wealth in which they are rich and many are poor. If you buy into their system, then you are most likely asking for debt and a life of supporting their wealth unless you are wise and can beat that basic system. True, that's a pessimistic way of looking at the American (or Polish) Dream, but I feel being honest about what's going on is the only way to begin to learn how to beat the system.
I think beating the system is learning to invest in real world wealth. Money starts to trickle in faster and faster if you focus on what's really valuable, and money isn't it.
First it takes looking at the environment around you and studying the need. Does the environment around you need a good mechanic, or a good salesman, or a good fisherman? Is there a lot of junk around you that needs to be organized or thrown away? You don't have to start big... starting small helps you gain points from which perspective is improved.
Over in the music forums someone asked the question how does one begin to learn how to play music, and sadly the best advice seems to be to get born into a musical family, which isn't possible for some people. The other option being to surround yourself with musical people, but could this mean it's too late to really learn for some people who dreamed of being a concert pianist, for instance.
My encouragement to anyone is that it doesn't take long, if you focus, and look around for the biggest needs in your home, community, city, county, country, and then think about what you could study, build, or buy that would put you into your desired station in life. I think it's obvious that most people become overwhelmed when thinking about their future, and so they don't, but with a little planning anything is possible!
Ability to social network also plays a big role. If you know someone who has land, someone who lays bricks and pores concrete, a plummer, a carpenter, a drywall and interior expert, an electrician, and a lawyer, then you could manage a housing project if you find a small investor who's willing to lubricate the wheels with a little old fashion money.
Thanks for the tips ICT. If I may ask, what have you identified in your environment for you to focus on? Do you do social networking as well?
Actually a lot of my time that I'm not at work has been eaten up by this lately -- AstroTwister. I have version 2.0 completed, but it's not released yet. I'm working on the windows7 gadget now.
This project got me the best job that I've ever had and the interview lasted 5 minutes before the kind lady said she was going to hire me.
In this case I'm doing something I've always wanted to see, and that is a miniature solar system spinning on my desktop. I figure, since it's an app, that I might be able to work the next round so that I can make cash off of it, but that's taking a lot of work, so I continue day by day as I have time.
It's not just the widget I'm building... it's the support websites as well. xMPACT.com is going to be my software hub where any software I create is all centralized, but then I have AstroTwister.com for that specific project as well, and I'm trying to launch SearchToFindPeople.com in among all the confusion. It's a mess right now, but hopefully soon I will have most of it ironed out well.
I haven't quit my day job yet if that is what you are asking, Dean!
That's what I'm trying to do... make money off of web projects so I can live anywhere in the world. Let me know when you find somewhere hot, next to the ocean, with beautiful women everywhere! We can move there together!
Are you crazy? Do you know how cold it is there? It's only livable for 20% of the year, and I would be cold the whole time. I would like to go there because there is history and culture that I would like to see, but as far as a place to live... I want to live on the water! literally! I want a sail boat that's large enough for me to live on, and just sail around the world.
Satellite internet connection, of course! Frihost forever!
Technically speaking, nothing is ever free. For example you stay active on the Frihost forum and in return they give you so called "free" hosting.
But we love being active on the forums, so getting hosting is free! If you don't think it's fun to post here then you haven't Hijacked This Topic yet!
Well I was just speaking from a technical term. Just stating a fact. I'll check out that thread in a bit.
Sweet! Welcome to the fun!
He's exaggerating a bit, but Dean gets to do that cause he's coo!
Yes, come with us, drunkenkoz (and everyone else), and let's see how far the rabbit hole goes!
PS. Dean, I like your new signature!
You would go there. xD
laughter is free?
Unless you go the way of the weasels in Who Framed Roger Rabbit and pay the ultimate price for laughing -- to die laughing!
It's NOT FUNNY! The evil leader often shouts at the weasels, and we find out later he may be evil but he was trying to protect them! go figure.
there's a roger rabbit ride at Disneyland--we like to go on it. And every time I'm on it, I think of that movie and how as a 7 year old I literally thought it was the funniest movie ever made. I'd kind of like to see it again just to get some perspective--was it a good movie at all?
You are safe in adoring that movie on any level because it is a classic. Big budget, all star cast, and I'm not totally sure but I think it was the first full length feature film to include animation with the real characters. Before that movies cut to cartoon scenes, and had real people with cartoons together, but never for such an extended period of time, or as extensive plot elements.
It also gave them license to cover many genres and topics very quickly because of the zany cartoons all over the place. It contains in itself many other adorable cartoon characters who were literally begging for another appearance on the big screen especially since many of them we still cherish but are passing further and further away from popular culture entertainment.
You don't have to watch it in the closet any more. In fact you can show it to younger generations as something that has paved the way for the mostly CGI, and some real people, movies that they like to watch. Then you can shake your fist at them and scream "You, crazy kids!"