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news: Super rich see federal taxes drop dramatically





handfleisch
Here's a real cause of the so-called budget crisis. The wealthy and their representatives in the media and politics want the poor and middle class to pay, when they don't. Since money controls the US political process and most of the mainstream medium, we don't see hardly any discussion of this fact at all on the TV networks, on the talkshows, or from politicians. It's the greed of the wealthy that is hurting the US, not unions or teacher pay or Planned Parenthood or NPR or any of the other things the shills distract us with.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110417/ap_on_re_us/us_no_taxes
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Super rich see federal taxes drop dramatically
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press Sun Apr 17, 8:36 am ET

WASHINGTON – As millions of procrastinators scramble to meet Monday's tax filing deadline, ponder this: The super rich pay a lot less taxes than they did a couple of decades ago, and nearly half of U.S. households pay no income taxes at all.

The Internal Revenue Service tracks the tax returns with the 400 highest adjusted gross incomes each year. The average income on those returns in 2007, the latest year for IRS data, was nearly $345 million. Their average federal income tax rate was 17 percent, down from 26 percent in 1992.

Over the same period, the average federal income tax rate for all taxpayers declined to 9.3 percent from 9.9 percent.

The top income tax rate is 35 percent, so how can people who make so much pay so little in taxes? The nation's tax laws are packed with breaks for people at every income level. There are breaks for having children, paying a mortgage, going to college, and even for paying other taxes. Plus, the top rate on capital gains is only 15 percent.
deanhills
I guess, more evidence of a plutocracy?
ocalhoun
handfleisch wrote:

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The nation's tax laws are packed with breaks for people at every income level.

There's the main problem.

So many loopholes and exceptions are made that those who can afford good accountants can exempt themselves from a lot of tax.

No matter what your feelings about taxation are, I'm sure you can agree that the tax code needs to be vastly simplified.
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
No matter what your feelings about taxation are, I'm sure you can agree that the tax code needs to be vastly simplified.
ABSOLUTELY! Ironically though, this applies to quite a large number of countries. I wonder which countries have a simple system? I remember when Canada had revamped their system to the point of actual simplifying it, and within a year they started with all kinds of new loops and addendums again. Probably all part of playing political games.
Voodoocat
Wrong as usual. According to this table of actual income tax paid, the more income you earn, the higher the tax rate you pay. Historically, the top income earners have paid almost double the average national tax rate. That can hardly be called "not paying their fair share"; instead, it is the exact opposite! The data clearly demostrates that the lower your income, the lower your tax rate.

What weapon are Democrats unable to defend against? THE TRUTH. Smile

Year 2008

National average: 12.24%

Total Top 0.1%: 22.70%
Top 1%: 23.27%
Top 5%: 20.70%
Between 5% & 10%: 12.44%
Top 10%: 18.71%
Between 10% & 25% 9.29%
Top 25%: 15.68%
Between 25% & 50%: 6.75%
Top 50%: 13.65%
Bottom 50%: 2.59%


http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
handfleisch
Voodoocat wrote:
Wrong as usual. According to this table of actual income tax paid, the more income you earn, the higher the tax rate you pay. Historically, the top income earners have paid almost double the average national tax rate. That can hardly be called "not paying their fair share"; instead, it is the exact opposite! The data clearly demostrates that the lower your income, the lower your tax rate.

What weapon are Democrats unable to defend against? THE TRUTH. :)

Year 2008

National average: 12.24%

Total Top 0.1%: 22.70%
Top 1%: 23.27%
Top 5%: 20.70%
Between 5% & 10%: 12.44%
Top 10%: 18.71%
Between 10% & 25% 9.29%
Top 25%: 15.68%
Between 25% & 50%: 6.75%
Top 50%: 13.65%
Bottom 50%: 2.59%


http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

Since you never respond when your posts are shown to be lies, I don't expect you to now, but in case anyone else is noticing:

1.The top tax rates in this country are the lowest they have been in 50 years. That's a fact.
2. Your think tank is funded by the mega-rich like the Koch brothers. Of course they are going to spin numbers to mislead people.
jmi256
You seem to have cherry picked from the article. For example:

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The vast majority of those who escape federal income taxes have low and medium incomes, and most of them pay other taxes, including Social Security and Medicare taxes, property taxes and retail sales taxes.


If you want to pay more in taxes, no one is stopping you. You can find the address to mail your check here:
http://www.irs.gov/file/content/0,,id=105693,00.html

Pointing a gun at someone’s head and confiscating their earnings because you think you “deserve” it or can spend it “more wisely” is tantamount to theft.
deanhills
jmi256 wrote:
Pointing a gun at someone’s head and confiscating their earnings because you think you “deserve” it or can spend it “more wisely” is tantamount to theft.
Agreed that Governments are thieves in this respect, but people seem to be willing victims. Governments should be forced to buckle up and get themselves reduced significantly to cut costs. Taxes had always meant to be a temporary loan from the people, not a permanent cost. So people actually allowed Governments to get as indebted as they have become ..... all over the world.
handfleisch
jmi256 wrote:
Pointing a gun at someone’s head and confiscating their earnings because you think you “deserve” it or can spend it “more wisely” is tantamount to theft.

Well, that's one opinion, an extremist one, that all taxes are theft. Most citizens of the country are proud to be part of the social contract, paying for things of mutual benefit or "mutual welfare" in the Constitution, from national defense to the postal service. Of course, the internet is made for extremist, minority opinion, so it's appropriate to voice such things on obscure forum like this one. Maybe you want to start a separate thread, "Taxes are pointing a gun at someone's head" and see how many nice people agree with you.

But it's all a distraction from the main point, that the top tax rate is the LOWEST in 50 years. Combine that with the fact that there has been a distribution of income TO the rich in the last 30 years, and you have the source of our tax revenue problem: The rich possess 90% of the money in the economy, and they are paying ridiculously low taxes.
jmi256
handfleisch wrote:
jmi256 wrote:
Pointing a gun at someone’s head and confiscating their earnings because you think you “deserve” it or can spend it “more wisely” is tantamount to theft.

Well, that's one opinion, an extremist one, that all taxes are theft. Most citizens of the country are proud to be part of the social contract, paying for things of mutual benefit or "mutual welfare" in the Constitution, from national defense to the postal service.


Please tell me where I said all taxes are theft? The US Constitution clearly outlines the activities for which the federal government can tax to fund those activities, and I am fine with paying taxes for activities we empower the federal government to manage through the US Constitution. Anything else is the federal government taking on powers that it was never granted. For example, it seems the majority of tax revenues are spent on pet projects, like Obamacare, and payoffs to campaign contributors, like Obama’s waivers and regulations that favor his donors. Seeing as how many times I’ve had to point out Section 8 of the US Constitution to you, you’re either an imbecile or once again trying to be dishonest. But in an attempt to education you once again, here you go. Please tell me where Obamacare falls in here.

Again, if you want to fund a myriad of pet projects, please do. I might even chip in a few $$. But don’t use the force of the federal government to confiscate people’s earnings to do so.

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Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Source = http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
deanhills
handfleisch wrote:
Most citizens of the country are proud to be part of the social contract, paying for things of mutual benefit or "mutual welfare" in the Constitution, from national defense to the postal service.
I'd prefer a system that is pay as you go. You pay for the service you are actually getting either through a direct service charge, or imposing duties on imports. If people want their country to have a strong national defense, then they can share in the cost directly so that they can know exactly what they are paying for. Rather than putting everything in one pot, and one never knows where the money went.
IceCreamTruck
I completely agree with you, Dean! Putting all the money in one pot is how they are stealing from one project to pay for another. We need to separate federal and local budgets along their "business lines" so we can stop paying for what doesn't work, and start reinvesting in what does work for us.

Social Security... supposed to have a budget, but it's nothing but a big pile of IOUs to the American people written by congress. How about keeping the money we pay for social security in social security. We didn't authorize them to take this money and destroy a positive and helpful system that I feel our society really needs so that at least some old people are not forgotten in time of need.
Voodoocat
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Rather than putting everything in one pot, and one never knows where the money went.


That's the secret of government, take money from hard working citizens and hand it out to who knows where! That is why replacing the income tax with a national sales tax will never happen: imagine the shock if your sales reciept outlined where your money just went. For this reason alone, I would love to have a national sales tax with NO EXEMPTIONS!!!
IceCreamTruck
Voodoocat wrote:
national sales tax with NO EXEMPTIONS!!!


Politicians and Lawyers would never go for that! In their eyes THEY are exemptions to everything! This would mean they would be passing something they would have to live with, and that hasn't happened in a long time.
deanhills
Voodoocat wrote:
I would love to have a national sales tax with NO EXEMPTIONS!!!
That would be completely impossible! Your first people will be the poor people who would need certain basic foods to be exempted such as bread, milk, vegetables and fruits. That's the problem, even though people want everyone to be equal, we never are. In the end the rich just get even more rich as they know how to turn any system into their favour. They're good at gathering expert lawyers and accountants around them, who are more savvy than the ones who write the tax laws.
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:
Voodoocat wrote:
I would love to have a national sales tax with NO EXEMPTIONS!!!
That would be completely impossible! Your first people will be the poor people who would need certain basic foods to be exempted such as bread, milk, vegetables and fruits. That's the problem, even though people want everyone to be equal, we never are. In the end the rich just get even more rich as they know how to turn any system into their favour. They're good at gathering expert lawyers and accountants around them, who are more savvy than the ones who write the tax laws.


And that's why you give everyone (NO EXCEPTIONS) a tax rebate equal to the taxes paid on spending 100% of a poverty level income.
That way, basic necessities are never taxed. (And those below poverty level actually have a negative tax burden -- they gain money from it)
Yet, you can accomplish this without providing an endless list of loopholes and exceptions.

We could call it -- oh -- FairTax.*

*I used to be a big advocate of FairTax. I am still an advocate of that tax system, but lately the advocacy organization seems to have been overrun by the tea party, and the FairTax organization now seems to be more concerned about "Stopping Obama's tax hikes" than actual tax reform.
IceCreamTruck
I nominate ocalhoun to be the Frihost Independent Political Party's candidate. I'd vote ocalhoun for President! Smile
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
And that's why you give everyone (NO EXCEPTIONS) a tax rebate equal to the taxes paid on spending 100% of a poverty level income.
That way, basic necessities are never taxed. (And those below poverty level actually have a negative tax burden -- they gain money from it)
Brilliant idea. Haven't thought of this one. Probably because it is so stunningly simple! Twisted Evil
IceCreamTruck
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
And that's why you give everyone (NO EXCEPTIONS) a tax rebate equal to the taxes paid on spending 100% of a poverty level income.
That way, basic necessities are never taxed. (And those below poverty level actually have a negative tax burden -- they gain money from it)
Brilliant idea. Haven't thought of this one. Probably because it is so stunningly simple! Twisted Evil


I need someone to second ocalhoun's nomination to run for the Frihost Independent Political Party (FIPP) primaries in the presidential election. We might not get it this time, but we have four years coming our way, and a moment in the spot light coming too! Smile These brilliantly sublime ideas from ocalhoun have won him my vote! Smile
ocalhoun
IceCreamTruck wrote:
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
And that's why you give everyone (NO EXCEPTIONS) a tax rebate equal to the taxes paid on spending 100% of a poverty level income.
That way, basic necessities are never taxed. (And those below poverty level actually have a negative tax burden -- they gain money from it)
Brilliant idea. Haven't thought of this one. Probably because it is so stunningly simple! Twisted Evil


I need someone to second ocalhoun's nomination to run for the Frihost Independent Political Party (FIPP) primaries in the presidential election. We might not get it this time, but we have four years coming our way, and a moment in the spot light coming too! Smile These brilliantly sublime ideas from ocalhoun have won him my vote! Smile

Not so fast there, buddy...

1- Not my idea originally. This is the premise of the FairTax. (I still support the FairTax taxation scheme, but I no longer support the FairTax advocacy organization.)
2- If control of the country was handed to me on a silver platter, I suppose I would reluctantly take it, because I feel it would be wrong to pass up the chance to fix things, but I don't want that enough to dedicate my life to it, which is what that requires.
3- Once campaigns get going, people will search my background for dirt... And they'll find PLENTY. I'm un-electable... Unless perhaps my opponent is Palin.
4- I wouldn't consent to be part of either major party, and the system currently suppresses all other parties, further hurting my minimal chances of election.
5- Being elected president doesn't give absolute power. It is likely that I would be unable to push through any significant change without a sympathetic congress.

But, yeah, besides that, great idea!
(A better idea would be to simply advocate that the FairTax taxation system be established, with no exceptions.)
((An even better idea than that would be to reform campaign financing and eliminate quasi-legal bribery.))
IceCreamTruck
ocalhoun wrote:

(ocalhoun on his first election campaign: what we're up against)

Not so fast there, buddy...

1- Not my idea originally. This is the premise of the FairTax. (I still support the FairTax taxation scheme, but I no longer support the FairTax advocacy organization.)


Good, you aren't a socialist.

ocalhoun wrote:

2- If control of the country was handed to me on a silver platter, I suppose I would reluctantly take it, because I feel it would be wrong to pass up the chance to fix things, but I don't want that enough to dedicate my life to it, which is what that requires.


Nah, just change the things you want, and be a "Hollywood" president other than that! Smile It's only four years, and this idea alone would fuel further positive change.

ocalhoun wrote:

3- Once campaigns get going, people will search my background for dirt... And they'll find PLENTY. I'm un-electable... Unless perhaps my opponent is Palin.


WE FORGIVE YOU! There's no need to live in the past, we've all made mistakes -- hopefully learned from them -- but it's time to save the country! If you believe in your short comings and where you've failed then that's what people will see, but if you focus on what needs changing in this country and keep being super informative about it then you'd get elected by default if we could just get most of America signed up on frihost! Smile

ocalhoun wrote:

4- I wouldn't consent to be part of either major party, and the system currently suppresses all other parties, further hurting my minimal chances of election.


Let's just focus on getting you in office first... we can fix the election/party system later. I see LAND SLIDE victory for the newly created F.I.P.P. with ocalhoun as the front runner with running mate Deanhills. Now, we've just got to get you a little more positive about your chances, get Dean to stop talking about living in the park collecting cans, and we can't loose!

How's this for strategy: we pit the democrats against the republicans (ha, as if they are currently friendly) and they will argue so much that when the dust finally settles we'll have the presidency!!!

ocalhoun wrote:

5- Being elected president doesn't give absolute power. It is likely that I would be unable to push through any significant change without a sympathetic congress.


(I originally thought this was a good place for "hate detected" image again, but this post is long enough without pictures!)

Those old whiny b*st*rds in congress need to be replaced!

We'll inject congress with youthful, whimsical, impressionable punk rockers that don't speak the legalese of lobbyists, and who drive the conservatives totally bonkers. We'll start session with "Another brick in the wall"! Congress is going to rock again!

ocalhoun wrote:

But, yeah, besides that, great idea!
(A better idea would be to simply advocate that the FairTax taxation system be established, with no exceptions.)
((An even better idea than that would be to reform campaign financing and eliminate quasi-legal bribery.))


Great stuff... I'll have the speech writers get right on that for your inaugural address, and don't worry... we got this, dude!

We're going to fix the country or make a lot of noise trying! What we need is a campaign slogan!

vote ocalhoun... fix the country, then it's 420 time!
vote ocalhoun... much better than the father son act that almost bankrupted America!
vote ocalhoun... will love you long time!
vote ocalhoun... fair-tax for strippers! <-- you see what I did there... made you look! lmao
vote ocalhoun... presidency or bust!
vote ocalhoun... better than just blindly picking one
vote ocalhoun... dammit! I'll think of one!

PS. FYI I think all the campaign advisor I have down good is the never say die attitude... working on building my actual campaign knowledge, but we should be good by the time they are voting... is that too late?

PPS. Word is your numbers are really strong with men aged 30 - 35, who watch girly cartoons, and call themselves...b...broonies. Bronies? am I reading that right? We're looking into this demographic phenomenon for possible branches into other areas, but this appears to be an isolated pocket where the members have unusually high communication, acceptance, friendship, and comradery not seen in the general male demographic.
deanhills
I agree. Ocalhoun is the man for the job. But I'd probably go to Ocalhoun and ask him to write the whole campaign. He'd for certain come up with some brilliant ideas that no one has thought about before. Very Happy
IceCreamTruck
deanhills wrote:
I agree. Ocalhoun is the man for the job. But I'd probably go to Ocalhoun and ask him to write the whole campaign. He'd for certain come up with some brilliant ideas that no one has thought about before. Very Happy


He could manage his own campaign, but then what do I get excited about? There is no me in team, though (lmao)
ocalhoun
IceCreamTruck wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:

(ocalhoun on his first election campaign: what we're up against)

Not so fast there, buddy...

1- Not my idea originally. This is the premise of the FairTax. (I still support the FairTax taxation scheme, but I no longer support the FairTax advocacy organization.)


Good, you aren't a socialist.

Step 1: FairTax not my original idea
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Not socialist

Wait, how does that work? What is step 2?
It's true, but I don't get the logical leap here at all.
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ocalhoun wrote:

3- Once campaigns get going, people will search my background for dirt... And they'll find PLENTY. I'm un-electable... Unless perhaps my opponent is Palin.


WE FORGIVE YOU! There's no need to live in the past, we've all made mistakes -- hopefully learned from them -- but it's time to save the country! If you believe in your short comings and where you've failed then that's what people will see, but if you focus on what needs changing in this country and keep being super informative about it then you'd get elected by default if we could just get most of America signed up on frihost! Smile

The American public forgive someone for being an unrepentant zoophile, furry fan, brony, misanthrope?
Unlikely.
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Let's just focus on getting you in office first... we can fix the election/party system later.

Well, you see... getting into office depends on fixing the system...
Fixing the system pretty much must be done first.
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I see LAND SLIDE victory for the newly created F.I.P.P. with ocalhoun as the front runner with running mate Deanhills. Now, we've just got to get you a little more positive about your chances, get Dean to stop talking about living in the park collecting cans, and we can't loose!

Actually, I might choose Bikerman as a running mate... Sure he's very socialist, but, he's very reasonable, and I could probably use someone to counter-balance my overly slash-and-burn views towards social services.
(As long as he promises not to make laws that take away people's freedom for their own protection. Oh, and he should probably try to not be British during the election.)

(Collecting cans is fine, but no hobo-beards, okay?)
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How's this for strategy: we pit the democrats against the republicans (ha, as if they are currently friendly) and they will argue so much that when the dust finally settles we'll have the presidency!!!

Problem is, they'll argue so much that they drown us out, and nobody notices us.
Quote:


PPS. Word is your numbers are really strong with men aged 30 - 35, who watch girly cartoons, and call themselves...b...broonies. Bronies? am I reading that right? We're looking into this demographic phenomenon for possible branches into other areas, but this appears to be an isolated pocket where the members have unusually high communication, acceptance, friendship, and comradery not seen in the general male demographic.

All campaign ads will feature talking ponies!
It's brilliant!
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
All campaign ads will feature talking ponies!
It's brilliant!
I'm all for the campaign. Great idea. However, do you think Bikerman is a Brony and into ponies? OK, I'll keep an open mind on this one. *snigger*



I'm not an American, but if I were, I'd rather have an American as a running mate. The War of Independence is a long time ago, but we want to stand a good chance of winning the election. Handfleisch would be my choice for a running mate for you, guess he would be as close to liberal as you could find. Hopefully we get to vote for the running mate? Question
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
All campaign ads will feature talking ponies!
It's brilliant!
I'm all for the campaign. Great idea. However, do you think Bikerman is a Brony and into ponies? OK, I'll keep an open mind on this one. *snigger*


Knew I was forgetting something.
*gets fun idea*
*goes off to PM Bikerman, asking him if he likes ponies (because of the election)*
*waits for response to random message*
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Handfleisch would be my choice for a running mate for you,


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guess he would be as close to liberal as you could find.

Yes, plenty of disagreement there, but unlike Bikerman, I do not find him to be reasonable.
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Hopefully we get to vote for the running mate? Question

*Has good idea for a new thread*
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
*Has good idea for a new thread*
*laughter* Darn! Just when I sorted out the logo .....
handfleisch
jmi256 wrote:
handfleisch wrote:
jmi256 wrote:
Pointing a gun at someone’s head and confiscating their earnings because you think you “deserve” it or can spend it “more wisely” is tantamount to theft.

Well, that's one opinion, an extremist one, that all taxes are theft. Most citizens of the country are proud to be part of the social contract, paying for things of mutual benefit or "mutual welfare" in the Constitution, from national defense to the postal service.


jmi256 wrote:
Please tell me where I said all taxes are theft?


That's what you strongly imply in your words above. Maybe you should choose your words more carefully. So your position can be summarized like this: Except for taxes mentioned in your narrow, personal reading of one part of the Constitution and one part of history, while ignoring the rest, taxes for anything else are theft, the equivalent of "pointing a gun at someone's head and confiscating their earnings".

But as for your expertise as a Constitutional scholar, don't quit your day job.

jmi256 wrote:
Seeing as how many times I’ve had to point out Section 8 of the US Constitution to you,

Seeing as how you've never mentioned this before, you must be arguing with that voice in your head again, so you better dust the doritos crumbs off your tinfoil hat until it goes away.

jmi256 wrote:
you’re either an imbecile or once again trying to be dishonest.


Seeing as how you have an unchallenged history of posting the most idiotic, conspiracy theory, lying posts, all I can say is LOL.
IceCreamTruck
Hey, we were having fun here! Grumpy butts!

PS. Thread ideas galore! Smile
Navigator
deanhills wrote:
I guess, more evidence of a plutocracy?


I'd say more evidence of a pathocracy
deanhills
Navigator wrote:
deanhills wrote:
I guess, more evidence of a plutocracy?


I'd say more evidence of a pathocracy
Ha! I've learned a new word again! Great stuff. Keep them coming. Dancing

Hmmmm ..... I don't think I would use that word in conjunction with the States, but there are a few countries in the Middle East that may fit the bill very nicely. OK. I get it, Ireland too ...... Shocked Twisted Evil Laughing
IceCreamTruck
Navigator wrote:
deanhills wrote:
I guess, more evidence of a plutocracy?


I'd say more evidence of a pathocracy


This is a new term for me, as I have not seen it before now. If the shoe fits though... (is America wearing this shoe? definitely)
deanhills
IceCreamTruck wrote:
This is a new term for me, as I have not seen it before now. If the shoe fits though... (is America wearing this shoe? definitely)
I don't think it has reached America yet .... or has it? This is a definition of pathocracy:
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Pathocracy

from Greek pathos, “feeling, pain, suffering”; and kratos, “rule”

A totalitarian form of government in which absolute political power is held by a psychopathic elite, and their effect on the people is such that the entire society is ruled and motivated by purely pathological values.

A pathocracy can take many forms and can insinuate itself covertly into any seemingly just system or ideology. As such it can masquerade under the guise of a democracy or theocracy as well as more openly oppressive regimes.

Source: The Pathocracy Blog
ocalhoun
IceCreamTruck wrote:
Navigator wrote:
deanhills wrote:
I guess, more evidence of a plutocracy?


I'd say more evidence of a pathocracy


(is America wearing this shoe? definitely)

Not as far as I can see...
Do the pathological hold too much power/influence? Yes.
However, I don't see them as the people actually in power. The true power right now rests where the money is.
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