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Madeleine McCann search fund running out of money





watersoul
http://www.channel4.com/news/madeleine-mccann-search-fund-low-on-money
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It is now three and a half years since Madeleine McCann went missing – an arbitrary anniversary, perhaps, but her parents are desperate to keep the story in the news.

Gerry and Kate McCann rarely give television interviews, but they told me they believe the authorities have effectively given up searching for the toddler.

Mr McCann told Channel 4 News: "The authorities haven't done anything proactive in the search for well over two years now. We think it's fundamental that a case review is undertaken."


I do honestly feel for this couple, as a parent myself I cannot imagine the heartache and grief they have suffered while their daughter has been missing - and still without closure.

I also wonder at the same time though, if the parents (both qualified medical doctor's) were non-white and working class, would the "search fund" have generated as many millions as it did initially?
It has become almost criminal these days to point out that their daughter went missing while they left her alone at the apartment, as they enjoyed a meal down the street at a restaurant, on holiday in a foreign country, but point it out I will now, as it's something I've never even been tempted to do with my own son.
I won't try to take away their right to sympathy, or their right to accept the financial help of others in their search, but I still wonder how the media would have helped them 3 years ago if they had been black and poor?

...I've posted this in "world news" because at the time, the media savvy parents made successful efforts to make it "world" news.
But with the thousands of children who disappear each week in the world, it saddened me to see that the only ones to command the media coverage were the ones born to white, middle class parents.
deanhills
watersoul wrote:
http://www.channel4.com/news/madeleine-mccann-search-fund-low-on-money
Quote:
It is now three and a half years since Madeleine McCann went missing – an arbitrary anniversary, perhaps, but her parents are desperate to keep the story in the news.

Gerry and Kate McCann rarely give television interviews, but they told me they believe the authorities have effectively given up searching for the toddler.

Mr McCann told Channel 4 News: "The authorities haven't done anything proactive in the search for well over two years now. We think it's fundamental that a case review is undertaken."


I do honestly feel for this couple, as a parent myself I cannot imagine the heartache and grief they have suffered while their daughter has been missing - and still without closure.

I also wonder at the same time though, if the parents (both qualified medical doctor's) were non-white and working class, would the "search fund" have generated as many millions as it did initially?
It has become almost criminal these days to point out that their daughter went missing while they left her alone at the apartment, as they enjoyed a meal down the street at a restaurant, on holiday in a foreign country, but point it out I will now, as it's something I've never even been tempted to do with my own son.
I won't try to take away their right to sympathy, or their right to accept the financial help of others in their search, but I still wonder how the media would have helped them 3 years ago if they had been black and poor?

...I've posted this in "world news" because at the time, the media savvy parents made successful efforts to make it "world" news.
But with the thousands of children who disappear each week in the world, it saddened me to see that the only ones to command the media coverage were the ones born to white, middle class parents.
I'm almost certain that the parents thought they were in a very safe community. A colleague of mine in the UAE is from the same community in Scotland. The community is so safe, some of them sleep with their doors unlocked. They must have thought it to be similarly safe where they were having their holiday.

How can they be so sure that Madeleine is still alive after all of this time? Isn't that the reason that no one is supporting the fund any longer?
watersoul
I've never lived anywhere I felt safe enough to leave my doors unlocked so it's a difficult situation for me to imagine.

I guess the long time thats passed now is probably why not many people are contributing to the fund anymore. I really can't blame her parents clinging on to hope though, without actually knowing whats happened to their child how can they ever truly move on. At least after a death, the grief process eventually becomes easier to deal with.
deanhills
watersoul wrote:
I've never lived anywhere I felt safe enough to leave my doors unlocked so it's a difficult situation for me to imagine.
Right. I remember in some of the camps in the Kruger National Park in South Africa that they had no bolts or keys. That was a strange experience for me too. Having lived in South Africa for a large part of my life living in South Africa is on the real extreme end of not feeling safe. My antennas were always on high alert inside as well as outside my home. It is very safe where I am now, but I don't think I could ever get to the stage of one of my colleagues here who leaves his office, his car, and his home completely unlocked. Mind you, maybe burglars will leave him alone as that can't be much of a challenge for them. Wink
watersoul wrote:
I guess the long time thats passed now is probably why not many people are contributing to the fund anymore. I really can't blame her parents clinging on to hope though, without actually knowing whats happened to their child how can they ever truly move on. At least after a death, the grief process eventually becomes easier to deal with.
You are right, not knowing has to be worse than death.
Bikerman
watersoul wrote:
I've never lived anywhere I felt safe enough to leave my doors unlocked so it's a difficult situation for me to imagine.

I guess the long time thats passed now is probably why not many people are contributing to the fund anymore. I really can't blame her parents clinging on to hope though, without actually knowing whats happened to their child how can they ever truly move on. At least after a death, the grief process eventually becomes easier to deal with.

I leave the back door open all the time....there again, there are 4 dogs to get past Smile
ocalhoun
It is truly disgusting how some missing persons cases generate huge publicity and support, while the vast majority rate no more than the labor of a few police personnel and perhaps a 'missing' photo on a milk carton.

And why is it that such cases so often turn out to be scandals? (Such as the parents actually being the culprits, or the person going missing in the first place due to their negligence...)

Makes me wonder how many lives you could save by donating that money instead to, say, the treatment of sick children in the third world... Rather than a likely futile effort to find a single child.
watersoul
ocalhoun wrote:
It is truly disgusting how some missing persons cases generate huge publicity and support, while the vast majority rate no more than the labor of a few police personnel and perhaps a 'missing' photo on a milk carton.

And why is it that such cases so often turn out to be scandals? (Such as the parents actually being the culprits, or the person going missing in the first place due to their negligence...)

Makes me wonder how many lives you could save by donating that money instead to, say, the treatment of sick children in the third world... Rather than a likely futile effort to find a single child.


So good to read a similar viewpoint, although I will say I still feel for the parents loss as human beings suffering. The ultimate criminal is always the person who abducted her, but I personally have never left my son alone and at potential risk ever in the UK, and certainly never ever in a country I don't know, while on holiday having a meal and a few drinks.

It really has almost become a crime in my country to point that out, and yes, you are absolutely right, the millions spent on this one girl could have provided clean water for thousands of kids in poor countries, and probably saved many lives. But they are white and middle class so "they must be good people and deserve our help more than others".

Thats the true tragedy of our society in my opinion.
c'tair
ocalhoun wrote:
It is truly disgusting how some missing persons cases generate huge publicity and support, while the vast majority rate no more than the labor of a few police personnel and perhaps a 'missing' photo on a milk carton.

And why is it that such cases so often turn out to be scandals? (Such as the parents actually being the culprits, or the person going missing in the first place due to their negligence...)

Makes me wonder how many lives you could save by donating that money instead to, say, the treatment of sick children in the third world... Rather than a likely futile effort to find a single child.


This.
How many people are there that give a damn about ap. 10 million children dying in Africa alone? How long has the search for this one kid taken? 3 and a half years? That is a nice 35 million other children have died, nice right? But how often is this publicized in the media? How often do we see their faces?

I haven't read newspapers or watched TV in years, yet I'd easily be able to recognize that McCann girl if I saw her because of all the publicity she received. Not so much the victims of thirst, hunger and disease in the Third World.
deanhills
Would that then be deemed the only wasted exercise? How about so many other causes like donating money to a kid who needs a liver transplant? Is it really justified, and how about all the other kids who have healthy livers, but who may die as a result of lack of funds? Why not divvy that money up among kids with healthy livers and let this kid die instead?

Does life really work like that? For me it gives a good feeling if they want to save one child as it is not only about saving that child, but effort of people who are obviously caring and compassionate and want to support the child with getting the best chance to save her life. It is a "hope" story. I'm all for causes that keep hope alive.
watersoul
deanhills wrote:
Would that then be deemed the only wasted exercise? How about so many other causes like donating money to a kid who needs a liver transplant? Is it really justified, and how about all the other kids who have healthy livers, but who may die as a result of lack of funds? Why not divvy that money up among kids with healthy livers and let this kid die instead?

Does life really work like that? For me it gives a good feeling if they want to save one child as it is not only about saving that child, but effort of people who are obviously caring and compassionate and want to support the child with getting the best chance to save her life. It is a "hope" story. I'm all for causes that keep hope alive.


To me it's about the best overall use of resources.
Take this example from the UK Water industry's WaterAid Charity:
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The total cost of drilling a new well and constructing the barrier was £12,000.

The effect of this water supply scheme was such that around 5 villages, each of 200 people, received continuous clean water. The women no longer had to walk and spend hours collecting ‘mud’, the men could develop a local economy and infant mortality was all but eliminated. As you can see, the cost per person was just £12.
http://www.water.org.uk/home/news/comment/wateraid-article
The £2million+ in the McCann fund could have provided 160,000+ people with clean and safe drinking water. I have to disagree with your thoughts there Dean - some campaigns are more important than others, especially when they have a more realistic chance of success for many many more people.
ocalhoun
watersoul wrote:

The £2million+ in the McCann fund could have provided 160,000+ people with clean and safe drinking water. I have to disagree with your thoughts there Dean - some campaigns are more important than others, especially when they have a more realistic chance of success for many many more people.

Quite so.
Can you really justify choosing the life of 1 person vs. the lives of 160,000?
...If the liver transplant kid feels bad about hope no longer being alive, console him with the fact that his sacrifice has saved thousands.

Let's play around with the wording a little... Would you kill thousands of people in order to save just one?
How would you explain that to any individual within those thousands?

(Not to mention that within those thousands of people with bad water, some are no doubt getting hepatitis... which, coincidentally, can cause liver failure.)
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
watersoul wrote:

The £2million+ in the McCann fund could have provided 160,000+ people with clean and safe drinking water. I have to disagree with your thoughts there Dean - some campaigns are more important than others, especially when they have a more realistic chance of success for many many more people.

Quite so.
Can you really justify choosing the life of 1 person vs. the lives of 160,000?
...If the liver transplant kid feels bad about hope no longer being alive, console him with the fact that his sacrifice has saved thousands.

Let's play around with the wording a little... Would you kill thousands of people in order to save just one?
How would you explain that to any individual within those thousands?

(Not to mention that within those thousands of people with bad water, some are no doubt getting hepatitis... which, coincidentally, can cause liver failure.)
This sounds very socialist to me. I don't get to choose the cause I want to support? Save the millions that don't matter an iota to me and rather sacrifice those who catch my imagination? Will we ever get to saving those millions this way? Can you see people who are criticized for this donating to the "worthy" millions instead? Or just stop donating altogether?
watersoul
deanhills wrote:
This sounds very socialist to me. I don't get to choose the cause I want to support?


The choice will always be a free one you can continue to make yourself, based on your own values and judgement of priorities.
How wise that choice is considered to be is a completely different matter though.

deanhills wrote:
Save the millions that don't matter an iota to me and rather sacrifice those who catch my imagination? Will we ever get to saving those millions this way? Can you see people who are criticized for this donating to the "worthy" millions instead? Or just stop donating altogether?


Would that be because they are not white and educated middle class people?
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:
the millions that don't matter an iota to me

... Well, that's rather heartless...

Heck, they matter to me, and I don't even like humans.
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
deanhills wrote:
the millions that don't matter an iota to me

... Well, that's rather heartless...

Heck, they matter to me, and I don't even like humans.
When someone says "suffering millions" that does not mean anything to me. As it does not sound real to me. I prefer to see evidence of where my donations will go to and I preferably support the suffering around me where I can see them with my own eyes. I don't have trust in those photos that are being circulated of poor and suffering children in order to get donations for the millions of suffering children who may never get to see any or much of those contributions.

You are perfectly right that all of us should do more for the millions. I most certainly should be doing more to help others as I am obviously living a very selfish life where I am. But the only real donation I would be able to live with is to actually go out to the third world countries and help the children exactly where they are, instead of donating funds through third parties that may never reach the suffering millions, whoever they are supposed to be and wherever they are supposed to be.
watersoul
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
deanhills wrote:
the millions that don't matter an iota to me

... Well, that's rather heartless...

Heck, they matter to me, and I don't even like humans.
When someone says "suffering millions" that does not mean anything to me. As it does not sound real to me. I prefer to see evidence of where my donations will go to and I preferably support the suffering around me where I can see them with my own eyes. I don't have trust in those photos that are being circulated of poor and suffering children in order to get donations for the millions of suffering children who may never get to see any or much of those contributions.

You are perfectly right that all of us should do more for the millions. I most certainly should be doing more to help others as I am obviously living a very selfish life where I am. But the only real donation I would be able to live with is to actually go out to the third world countries and help the children exactly where they are, instead of donating funds through third parties that may never reach the suffering millions, whoever they are supposed to be and wherever they are supposed to be.


If I understand what you're saying then yes I agree that some charities are better than others. The http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/ keeps an eye on UK based charities though, and it is open information here about things like the "administrative costs" - with some charities being leaner and more efficient than others.
I work for a charity myself, mostly funded by central & local government to provide "arms length" public services in a sense. We keep costs to the bare bones, even getting printer cartridges refilled instead of buying new from the stationary supplier. I even refused a new laptop last month because my old one works fine and it seemed a pointless upgrade to me.

But as long as people are afraid that the money they donate will not be used effectively (to the many NGO's and charities doing sterling work around the world), the longer it will be before the many millions will be helped. Personally I think it's a lame excuse though, if only 30 pence of my £pound helps someone somewhere, it's 30 pence worth of help they would never have had.
deanhills
watersoul wrote:
But as long as people are afraid that the money they donate will not be used effectively (to the many NGO's and charities doing sterling work around the world), the longer it will be before the many millions will be helped. Personally I think it's a lame excuse though, if only 30 pence of my £pound helps someone somewhere, it's 30 pence worth of help they would never have had.
It is not a lame excuse watersoul. I thought it through carefully. I donate to charities, but to the ones in my immediate environment. I find it irritating that most people seem to think that the only poor and suffering people are the ones in distant countries. There are many suffering people in our own countries. I'm quite happy if you feel your donations are helping people in distant countries. That is your call and an admirable one. My call is to help those that are around me, on a daily basis. If I should move to a third world country one day, then I will focus my efforts in my immediate environment there as well.
watersoul
deanhills wrote:
It is not a lame excuse watersoul. I thought it through carefully. I donate to charities, but to the ones in my immediate environment. I find it irritating that most people seem to think that the only poor and suffering people are the ones in distant countries. There are many suffering people in our own countries. I'm quite happy if you feel your donations are helping people in distant countries. That is your call and an admirable one. My call is to help those that are around me, on a daily basis. If I should move to a third world country one day, then I will focus my efforts in my immediate environment there as well.


Fair one dean, I can't disagree with your "only helping locally" mission, but please correct me if I'm wrong, I was under the impression from your posts that you had supported the McCann fund, and her situation is quite far removed from your life in the middle east.
And going back to your point about
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the millions that don't matter an iota to me
I'm still puzzled why this one child was worth £2 million + when a vast number of other lives could be saved with the same money.
To me it is about the most effective use of resources for the many, and not just the most effective use of the media & PR for the few.
deanhills
watersoul wrote:
Fair one dean, I can't disagree with your "only helping locally" mission, but please correct me if I'm wrong, I was under the impression from your posts that you had supported the McCann fund, and her situation is quite far removed from your life in the middle east.
No, I did not support it financially at all. I just felt very sympathetic towards the parents who lost their little daughter. Most of what I heard about this tragedy was through a friend of mine in the UAE who comes from the same place in Scotland as where the McCann's home is. To be truthful, I did not even know there was a fund, until you pointed that out in this thread.
watersoul wrote:
And going back to your point about
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the millions that don't matter an iota to me
I'm still puzzled why this one child was worth £2 million + when a vast number of other lives could be saved with the same money.
To me it is about the most effective use of resources for the many, and not just the most effective use of the media & PR for the few.
I still think everyone has a right to donate their money their way. If one really totals all the money that is being wasted in general, on buying stuff that people don't really need, that will probably add up to much more wastage than the money that has been donated. But I can see where you are coming from. I.e. working in a charities environment. Probably important for you that all of the donations are distributed more rationally to the benefit or the greatest number of children needing support.

While we are on the topic, and you are quite knowledgeable on the case, what happened to deplete the fund? They say they have nothing left of the 2 million Pound Sterling? That is a lot of money. What did they spend it on? 250,000 is accounted for search fees. But what about the balance?
Bikerman
http://www.findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:
I still think everyone has a right to donate their money their way.

Of course... But others have a right to point out that some choices may be idiotic, heartless, or both, compared to what could otherwise be done with it.

From the perspective of someone who sees both problems as remote and unemotional, the choice is blatantly obvious.
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