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nivinjoy
I had recently formatted my personal laptop and installed the Dell licensed Windows 7 Home premium Operating System.I installed the Kaspersky 2011 Internet Security Trial version as the anti virus.

The problem now i face is that my system is taking too long to shut down. Even if i give Restart also it takes a lot time to reboot the system..!! It takes about 10 minutes to shut down the system

What are the possible reasons for that..?? What should i do to avoid this and safeguard my system as many important documents are there in my system..!!
Arseniy
Yes, that could be viruses, but there are some more possible reasons:
1) Try to clear your RAM by removing unnecessary agent programs;
2) It could be the updates causing slow off (they're installed while the system is shutting down);
3) It would be helpful for you to defrag your hard drive.
metalfreek
Kaspersky 2011 Internet Security is pretty memory hungry anti virus. Try to use another anti virus which is not that intense and memory hungry.

And there are some programs available for quick shutdown.
Fire Boar
Arseniy wrote:
Yes, that could be viruses, but there are some more possible reasons:
1) Try to clear your RAM by removing unnecessary agent programs;
2) It could be the updates causing slow off (they're installed while the system is shutting down);
3) It would be helpful for you to defrag your hard drive.


This is only relevant for an old operating system, yet the OP stated that he recently reformatted. That makes Kapersky the most likely candidate.

I'd suggest either using a very lightweight AV program with positive reviews, or ditching AV entirely and going instead with Firefox with the NoScript extension, and Thunderbird in favour of Outlook. Turn off the "hide extensions" folder option, and just use simple common sense. AV software is overrated, overpriced and really is only there to try and prevent Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair issues.
nivinjoy
I don't think its the updates

I don't think its the updates causing the slow down because every time it doesn't get connected to internet and even when not connected to internet too the shut down is too slow.

About Kaspersky

Do you guys really think its because of Kaspersky thing causing the system to slow down..?? Because i haven't got any reports about similar incidents..and no one has still said that about such a problem..And also Kaspersky doesn't show any virus attack too..

I don't have much memory consuming programs in my system and in less words its only used for MS Office work and seeing movies..No other high end applications at all..

Then what would be the other causes for this problem..??
Marcuzzo
My desktop does exactly the same thing.
even after a format, I can actually hear a click when the HDD stops spinning, I don't know if it completely stops spinning though.
and then it would just sit there in the screen that says windows is shutting down.
one time I left it like that when I went to bed and the next morning it was this hanging there.
after a year or so I gave up.
it only does this in windows, my slackware doesn't' have any shutdown issues.
at first I was thinking that it could be the drivers for my ATI card or the audio drivers since they are the only app I've included in my unattended XP SP3 install.
nivinjoy
Marcuzzo wrote:
My desktop does exactly the same thing.
even after a format, I can actually hear a click when the HDD stops spinning, I don't know if it completely stops spinning though.
and then it would just sit there in the screen that says windows is shutting down.
one time I left it like that when I went to bed and the next morning it was this hanging there.
after a year or so I gave up.
it only does this in windows, my slackware doesn't' have any shutdown issues.
at first I was thinking that it could be the drivers for my ATI card or the audio drivers since they are the only app I've included in my unattended XP SP3 install.



You have got some point i think.. My system too have ATI graphics card.. Will this be anything with the ATI Graphics card drivers problem..??
Asap170
I know that our Windows 7 netbooks we got at school take forever to shutdown so it's most likely what's configured. But we also have a bunch of admin restrictions and crap on there...
nivinjoy
But i need to get rid of this..!! Tell me some way get out of this shit..

And also recently i found some problem that sometimes when i open my system and start working, the folders take a very long time to open and the system hangs for a long time..

That is if i open E drive and a folder inside that..it takes about 5 to 10 minutes to open and the green progress bar keeps on moving very very slowly.. Similarly when i right click on My Computer and select the Properties it takes a long time to display the system properties..

I don't think it is a virus attack or something because if it was a virus attack it should be happening all the time.But this happens only at times.. And also i have Kaspersky latest version and it shows no attacks.

Even then it happens..I doubt there is some problem with RAM or processor.. Can you suggest possible reasons for this problem as well as for the slow shut down.. Please help me out guys. I formatted the system recently only..I can't afford to reformat the system again.. So please reply soon..
Marcuzzo
Asap170 wrote:
I know that our Windows 7 netbooks we got at school take forever to shutdown so it's most likely what's configured. But we also have a bunch of admin restrictions and crap on there...


usually those netbooks with Windows 7 are the "starter" edition, these can only run like 3 programms at the same time.

http://windows7center.com/news/is-windows-7-starter-edition-microsofts-dirty-trick/

EDIT: looks like Microsoft removed the three-app limit, but still, 7 starter is a piece of doodoo
rjraaz
It may be problem of RAM just try to barrow a RAM from near one and check your system with that.

if it still take same time it may be problem of processor.
dude_xyx
This used to happen in my Computer but after doing a format now its better. Used to take lot more time to start and shut down then it should. This happens after while you install windows XP.
nivinjoy
dude_xyx wrote:
This used to happen in my Computer but after doing a format now its better. Used to take lot more time to start and shut down then it should. This happens after while you install windows XP.


Just recently i formatted the system and installed a fresh copy of Windows.. Again formatting..?? Its tiresome for me.. Mad Mad
airh3ad
It might updating your windows please do check your windows updates.
nivinjoy
airh3ad wrote:
It might updating your windows please do check your windows updates.


No updating.. My operating system shows it is up to date and even if it is so how long and how many days would it do update..??
mahirh
nivinjoy wrote:
airh3ad wrote:
It might updating your windows please do check your windows updates.


No updating.. My operating system shows it is up to date and even if it is so how long and how many days would it do update..??

my windows seven ultimate shows
Code:
updating do not turn off your computer
everyday
the other cause might be the antivirus as others mentioned , avast free edition might be enough , theese days ,
Code:
best ==  complicated and memory hogging
and
Code:
free == simple and light on memory and processor while protection
nivinjoy
mahirh wrote:
Code:
best ==  complicated and memory hogging
and
Code:
free == simple and light on memory and processor while protection


I didn't really understand this..??
jdelfire
Fire boar is right most likely it is your anti-virus although karspersky might be a memory hog it shouldn't take that long to shutdown or restart. since you've isolated that this is not an update issue and obviously it is not a hardware problem because your PC works well prior on reformatting your system. looks like some settings on your PC is not right. try the registry tweak below.



Can you try this regedistry tweak for windows 7

Got this from "http://forums.techarena.in/tips-tweaks/1107747.htm"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:

In REGEDIT navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USERControl PanelDesktop
Highlight the WaitToKillAppTimeout value.
Set it to 1000.
Now highlight the HungAppTimeout value
Set it to 1000′ also.

Also apply this for all users
In REGEDIT go to to ‘HKEY_USERS.DEFAULTControl
PanelDesktop
Highlight the WaitToKillAppTimeout value.
Set it to 1000.
Now highlight the HungAppTimeout value.
Set it to 1000.

Decrease the time wait before shutting down active services
Open REGEDIT and navigate to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESystemCurrentControlSetContro l
Highlight the value WaitToKillServiceTimeout
Change this value to 1000.

--------------------------------------------



Also there is a more complete tweaks below but the above tweak should work for you.
You can save this tweak below in a notepad save it as a .reg and import the file.
but ofcourse this alters other settings in your PC for example "AutoEndTasks"="1" will close any open application or documents you have without any intervention. so if you have any important documents that you haven't save you will lose that. We all know that it is the best practice to save any documents before we shutdown our PC. Please note that you can use this tweaks at your disgression. It works for me and it worked for other people. hope this can help




--------------------------------
"
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
Code:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVersionPoliciesExplorer]
"NoLowDiskSpaceChecks"=dword:00000001
"LinkResolveIgnoreLinkInfo"=dword:00000001
"NoResolveSearch"=dword:00000001
"NoResolveTrack"=dword:00000001
"NoInternetOpenWith"=dword:00000001
 
[HKEY_CURRENT_USERControl PanelDesktop]
"AutoEndTasks"="1"
"HungAppTimeout"="1000"
"MenuShowDelay"="0"
"WaitToKillAppTimeout"="2000"
"LowLevelHooksTimeout"="1000"
 
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEMControlSet002Control]
"WaitToKillServiceTimeout"="1000"
 
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEMControlSet001Control]
"WaitToKillServiceTimeout"="1000"
 
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEMCurrentControlSetControl]
"WaitToKillServiceTimeout"="1000"
 
[HKEY_USERSS-1-5-19Control PanelDesktop]
"AutoEndTasks"="1"
"HungAppTimeout"="1000"
"MenuShowDelay"="0"
"WaitToKillAppTimeout"="2000"
 
[HKEY_USERSS-1-5-20Control PanelDesktop]
"AutoEndTasks"="1"
"HungAppTimeout"="1000"
"MenuShowDelay"="0"
"WaitToKillAppTimeout"="2000"
 

Quote:

NoLowDiskSpaceChecks = Low Disk Notification
deactivated

LinkResolveIgnoreLinkInfo = Determines whether Windows traces shortcuts back
to their sources when it cannot find the target on the user's system.

NoResolveSearch = Prevents the system from conducting a comprehensive search
of the target drive to resolve a shortcut.

NoResolveTrack = Prevents the system from using NTFS tracking features to
resolve a shortcut.

NoInternetOpenWith = Specifies whether to use the Microsoft Web service
for finding an application to open a file with an unhandled file association.

AutoEndTasks = Specifies whether user processes end automatically when
the user either logs off or shuts down Windows .

HungAppTimeout = Specifies how long the system waits for user
processes to end after the user clicks the End Task command button in
Task Manager.

MenuShowDelay = Specifies the interval from the time the cursor is
pointed at a menu until the menu items are displayed.

WaitToKillAppTimeout = Specifies how long the system waits for user
processes to end after the user attempts to log off or to shut down
Windows. When the time specified in this entry expires, the End
Task dialog box appears, stating that the process did not respond.
If the value of AutoEndTasks is 1, the system ends the process
automatically.

LowLevelHooksTimeout = This tweak changes the time to wait to kill
a service, which is not responding

WaitToKillServiceTimeout = Determines how long the system waits
for services to stop after notifying the service that the system is
shutting down.

"

Please use quote tags and code tags when appropriate. It's important for the points system. -ocalhoun
nivinjoy
Thank you for the comment.. I will try them as soon as possible..
ankur209
It is because of Virus...!!
I would suggest you to use Avast Antivirus... Razz
Fire Boar
ankur209 wrote:
It is because of Virus...!!
I would suggest you to use Avast Antivirus... Razz


I advise you to use the words "I think" or similar before any dubious assertions. Otherwise you end up looking rather silly when found wrong. In this case, I'm positive that there's no way it could be a virus, if you'd read the original post you'd know this is a fresh Windows installation. Unless the first thing the OP does after reinstalling Windows is download dodgy software and/or look at porn in Internet Explorer 6, you're completely wrong.
jdelfire
ankur209 wrote:
It is because of Virus...!!
I would suggest you to use Avast Antivirus... Razz


Not a bad suggestion on using another antivirus software but the thing is this one is a newly installed OS. It is very unlikely to be a virus issue but yes best candidate would still be his antivirus causing delay. I am suspecting that his antivirus made some changes in his registry or system file that is quite persistent to run even on shutting down or causing delay. With my suggestion above that will make his windows applications to forcely close all running services for faster shutdown.

We hope to hear from the thread starter if issue will be resolve.
nivinjoy
jdelfire wrote:
ankur209 wrote:
It is because of Virus...!!
I would suggest you to use Avast Antivirus... Razz


Not a bad suggestion on using another antivirus software but the thing is this one is a newly installed OS. It is very unlikely to be a virus issue but yes best candidate would still be his antivirus causing delay. I am suspecting that his antivirus made some changes in his registry or system file that is quite persistent to run even on shutting down or causing delay. With my suggestion above that will make his windows applications to forcely close all running services for faster shutdown.

We hope to hear from the thread starter if issue will be resolve.



UPDATE

I don't think its not virus or any issue with the antivirus because yesterday i uninstalled the Kaspersky antivirus and installed Eset Nod 32 Antivirus.. Still the problem remains..

I am thinking of formatting it again but i am afraid whether the problem will remain even after formatting and installation of new OS..!!
Fire Boar
It's probably a hardware fault of some kind in that case. How old is the machine? There's a Windows system log under "Administrative Tools", I'd suggest finding it and looking for errors.
nivinjoy
Fire Boar wrote:
It's probably a hardware fault of some kind in that case. How old is the machine? There's a Windows system log under "Administrative Tools", I'd suggest finding it and looking for errors.


This system i bought in November 2009..Its only one year old..

And i couldn't find something like system log in Administrative Tools..?? Where is it and what will it show..??
fr3ak
nivinjoy wrote:
Fire Boar wrote:
It's probably a hardware fault of some kind in that case. How old is the machine? There's a Windows system log under "Administrative Tools", I'd suggest finding it and looking for errors.


This system i bought in November 2009..Its only one year old..

And i couldn't find something like system log in Administrative Tools..?? Where is it and what will it show..??

Have you fixed the problem yet? I am facing same issue, just want to know what happened Smile
ProfessorY91
A bit of registry editing may help. I suspect a hanging program or something similar. Go to Start, run, and then type regedt32 and press Enter. Find "'HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop", right click WaitToKillAppTimeout and select ‘Modify’ and then change the value to 1000, and press enter. Right click HungAppTimeout and select Modify. Change the value to 1000. Press enter and find "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control", right click WaitToKillServiceTimeout and select ‘Modify’ and then change the value to 1000, and press enter.

Note that I run a WinXP Pro system, and the registry values may differ for 7. I doubt it though. Good luck.

Y.
nivinjoy
The Latest Update...

Finally the system has crashed... Last month one day night I had prepared a power point presentation for the next day Review program..Then when I shut down the system it had taken a lot of time to shut down. And as it was already happening I didn't think much about it.. The next day morning when I switched on the laptop for my presentation it was not working. Actually it was not getting boot up.. (Anyway I did the presentation using the backup I had taken in USB stick..)

I had called up Dell technical support associate.. After hearing my problem and getting the error code what he said was really shocking.. He said that I will have to re-install Windows again.. And still I didn't do it as I couldn't arrange for a Windows 7 OEM CD from Dell till now..

Now waiting for the CD and hope I can do it soon.. And I thank all the members who showed kindness by replying to my query on my problem. Thanks once again..

And one more thing..Although my system is crashed I request you computer experts to post the measures or ways to prevent such incident, so that it will be helpful to all..
jdelfire
well then good luck in the reinstallation...
It's always good thing on keeping a backup of important files...
^_^
FunDa
nivinjoy wrote:
The Latest Update...

Finally the system has crashed... Last month one day night I had prepared a power point presentation for the next day Review program..Then when I shut down the system it had taken a lot of time to shut down. And as it was already happening I didn't think much about it.. The next day morning when I switched on the laptop for my presentation it was not working. Actually it was not getting boot up.. (Anyway I did the presentation using the backup I had taken in USB stick..)

I had called up Dell technical support associate.. After hearing my problem and getting the error code what he said was really shocking.. He said that I will have to re-install Windows again.. [b]And still I didn't do it as I couldn't arrange for a Windows 7 OEM CD from Dell till now..[b/]

Now waiting for the CD and hope I can do it soon.. And I thank all the members who showed kindness by replying to my query on my problem. Thanks once again..

And one more thing..Although my system is crashed I request you computer experts to post the measures or ways to prevent such incident, so that it will be helpful to all..


Dell usually gives the re-installation DvD along with the laptop. All of my firends who have Dell laptops have it. One DvD for Windows re-installation, and another for the drivers.
A third regional language pack is also there, but that is a useless DvD.

HP/CompaQ does not give the DvD with the laptop.


I wonder why they don't give the Windows DvD along with the laptop especially since a part of the money you paid is for the genuine windows installation !


Anyway, good luck man.
sonam
I don't know about Win7 but if you can try "System restore" instead of reformatting on date before you install anything else then windows.

Sonam
nivinjoy
FunDa wrote:
nivinjoy wrote:
The Latest Update...

Finally the system has crashed... Last month one day night I had prepared a power point presentation for the next day Review program..Then when I shut down the system it had taken a lot of time to shut down. And as it was already happening I didn't think much about it.. The next day morning when I switched on the laptop for my presentation it was not working. Actually it was not getting boot up.. (Anyway I did the presentation using the backup I had taken in USB stick..)

I had called up Dell technical support associate.. After hearing my problem and getting the error code what he said was really shocking.. He said that I will have to re-install Windows again.. [b]And still I didn't do it as I couldn't arrange for a Windows 7 OEM CD from Dell till now..[b/]

Now waiting for the CD and hope I can do it soon.. And I thank all the members who showed kindness by replying to my query on my problem. Thanks once again..

And one more thing..Although my system is crashed I request you computer experts to post the measures or ways to prevent such incident, so that it will be helpful to all..


Dell usually gives the re-installation DvD along with the laptop. All of my firends who have Dell laptops have it. One DvD for Windows re-installation, and another for the drivers.
A third regional language pack is also there, but that is a useless DvD.

HP/CompaQ does not give the DvD with the laptop.


I wonder why they don't give the Windows DvD along with the laptop especially since a part of the money you paid is for the genuine windows installation !


Anyway, good luck man.



Actually i had got Windows Vista plus an Upgrade to Windows 7 offer... So i just have the Windows Vista and Windows 7 upgrade cd...!!

I don't need windows vista.. So i installed the operating system using friends' windows 7 CD and driver cd's from Dell he got when he bought a new laptop...!!!
nivinjoy
sonam wrote:
I don't know about Win7 but if you can try "System restore" instead of reformatting on date before you install anything else then windows.

Sonam


Sorry Sonam..The system has already crashed...!!
rockpan
the next time(i hope it will never happen),
you can open event viewer to see what has happened when you shut down your computer after you reboot.
nivinjoy
Fresh Update...


After my system crashed I had installed the operating system freshly...and was working on it finely.

Yesterday night I had worked on the laptop for a long time using internet using my Nokia X6 as modem.. I had used Nokia Ovi Suite for the connectivity.. And today when i switched on my laptop it was the same as the earlier incident..THAT IS IT CRASHED AGAIN..!!

And now i remember the day before the first crash also I had used internet using Nokia Ovi Suite..So now i doubt all of this is because of Nokia Ovi Suite..

Does someone has any opinion in this aspect..?? Now i have to reinstall the operating system again..!! Can someone help me in this..??
Fire Boar
Try just uninstalling Nokia Ovi Suite and seeing if that fixes your problem. Also, "suite" implies a very bloated package for what is essentially a very simple device: a modem. It could be that your operating system will be able to use the modem without the drivers, but if not then try and look for a smaller package for the device - one that contains only the driver and none of the extras.

Failing that, a router and an ethernet cable or wireless card is how most people connect to the internet these days.
nivinjoy
Fire Boar wrote:
Try just uninstalling Nokia Ovi Suite and seeing if that fixes your problem. Also, "suite" implies a very bloated package for what is essentially a very simple device: a modem. It could be that your operating system will be able to use the modem without the drivers, but if not then try and look for a smaller package for the device - one that contains only the driver and none of the extras.


Actually I had tried that by going to safe mode and uninstalling Nokia Ovi Suite. But when i give for uninstalling it shows an error code and terminates itself.. So I am unable to do the uninstall too..


Quote:
Failing that, a router and an ethernet cable or wireless card is how most people connect to the internet these days.


Yeah I know that. But it was an urgent situation that my project submission date was due and it was then my USB internet data card went out of service.. So I had no other option but use the phone as a modem to connect to internet. And also normally we people don't expect something like this to happen from a product from a very reputed company like Nokia..

You know one thing..?? I use ESET Smart security on my office PC. And when I had signed up for Nokia Ovi Mail service and tried logging in later the ESET suite showed me a presence of a virus in the page and terminated the connection. I don't know why Nokia is still unaware of this thing..!!
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