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PGe-tips
Depending on who you ask, you'll hear that either Print is doomed to be disappearing or blooming.
It 's true E-Reader will continue to improve and become more lookalikes for paper as they do now.
But will they ever get a portion of the editorial media that really threatens the Print Industry ?
My opinion is no !
On-line media will compete more and more with periodics (dailies weeklies and monthlies) and we will value the gossip and celebs news and less as it it widely accessible through endless channels. But as long as we value quality photography tied in with content that is more focused harder to find on-line , Print will will continue to bloom.

Just curious about your viewpoint ?
here is some nice comparison reported by newsweek:
Bluedoll
It is hard to say. The future is so insecure. However in the last decade there has been a decline in print. Newspapers, magazines, media has taken a hit and sales are down. Higher printing costs and less people willing to pay the big advertisement dollars coupled with the fact that more and more people are actually being exposed and using the digital networks. We all see a significant change in the television culture along with the trend to evolve internet into internet TV. So where does that leave print? Well plainly it is just a lot more competitive than in history when these things just didn’t exist. We did here a lot of hype from so called experts telling us that print would completely disappear. That was false but today in our tougher markets the fact is we have less print growth. Perhaps that trend will continue, we will always have print around but not in the abundance we have now percentage wise. Media is going the digital route and newer forms of computer type information is yet to be seen (talking robot). The old hold in your hand printed paper will become like money. It is there but not like it used to be in the old days. That is my prediction.
deanhills
I don't think print will ever die. People still like to read their newspapers over a cup of coffee. Printed newspapers have survived in spite of doomsday messages. People still like to read books. Besides which, reading electronic books must be hard on the eyes. There is nothing that can beat the satisfaction of paging through a beautiful illustrated book of Livingston's travels through Africa. Just not the same to do that online.
watersoul
I agree about books, I can't imagine a world where these are completely replaced by electronic screens. A book can be picked up and read even in the most remote places without requiring energy, and can also cope with being dropped on the floor or whatever.
To me when I'm reading an old book, theres also something special about thumbing through pages that many people have done before me. Too much romanticism? Maybe, but I really can't see books totally disappearing from life, just perhaps getting a lot more expensive than they are today, compared to a 50 pence download to a screen.
ocalhoun
Print will never completely disappear of course, it's much more efficient in some ways than anything electronic.

It will, however, continue its trend of decreasing steadily as new technologies replace old ones. This trend will level off eventually though, allowing printed media of various types to fill the niches where they are more efficient and effective than technology can be.
(At least until technology progresses much further... Ultra-thin flexible screens and near-inexhaustible tiny batteries might spell the doom of nearly all printed media.)
Bluedoll
Well, @oclahoum –“ Ultra-thin flexible screens”
you always seem to have interesting and well informed posts. We seem to be going to continue to see advances in non-print type media’s, so where is that going to put print?
Well perhaps @watersoul nailed it on the head so eloquently, “much romanticism”. Print may continue to be around but I have a question here, I think.

What about not only the print industry itself but what is actually happening socially as well with this? To get some reading material by print in the future may seem slow and cumbersome? It seems to me that people are always in this big rush and have big needs for information but the idea of sitting by the fireside while sipping a pleasant drink and pleasantly reading is becoming eccentric?

If the latter is true, what effect will our social outlooks have on the demand for print I wonder?
nam_siddharth
Print will never die, just its use will decrease.
c'tair
I don't think it even can die. Compare print to any e-tech that's aiming to substitute it. Print doesn't run out of battery power, print can't be broken or scratched. Would you give Kindles to poor Africans? Where would they charge the battery? Where would the download ebooks from?

This is the same reason why despite having PDAs and smart phones, people still carry around little 3x5" notepads and write things down instead of putting them on a PDA. Maybe this is less common in big cities, but wherever you're further from civilization, you'll notice people rely more on analog technology than on digital.
standready
I do a lot of work designing equipment for the printing industry and business is still going. A lot of new work is turning to the packaging side and by that I mean boxes, etc. Never hurts to expand the business offerings.

I see printed material (newspaper, books) remaining especially with older people that just don't want to go electronic. My parents are a good example. "Nothing beats sharing a paper."
watersoul
standready wrote:
I do a lot of work designing equipment for the printing industry and business is still going. A lot of new work is turning to the packaging side and by that I mean boxes, etc. Never hurts to expand the business offerings.

I see printed material (newspaper, books) remaining especially with older people that just don't want to go electronic. My parents are a good example. "Nothing beats sharing a paper."


Agree with that, but I wonder what will happen if the "paper" becomes as common in this form as well one day...

Materials breakthrough wins Nobel

...I honestly do think though, that printed/written information will always have a place somewhere, but I equally see the difference, in a huge way, how my Son receives his information while learning compared to how I did. There are though, a few big factual, interesting, knowledge type books I've bought him (and will continue to buy) which he always loves to thumb through, in bed, before "lights out".

...and perhaps it's that image in my mind, which makes me more confident that analogue information exchange will never disappear completely, just maybe more specialised Smile
uzeed
I really dont think prints is died or dying.... the truth now is that the world is moving so fast that even documents that needs print still move via mails and text therefore slowing down the push to print....
internet and text massage hasmade the prints abit slow
standready
watersoul wrote:
Materials breakthrough wins Nobel

That is not paper but a conductor of electricity. would get a charge out of trying to read it.

Also consider this: one good strong EM (electro-magnetic) pulse and your electronic media is GONE!
watersoul
standready wrote:
watersoul wrote:
Materials breakthrough wins Nobel

That is not paper but a conductor of electricity. would get a charge out of trying to read it.

Also consider this: one good strong EM (electro-magnetic) pulse and your electronic media is GONE!


Good point, I've also had a few books that have accidentally taken a swim for whatever reason while travelling, and after a few hours in the sun they survived to be read to the end.
Ghost Rider103
deanhills wrote:
I don't think print will ever die. People still like to read their newspapers over a cup of coffee. Printed newspapers have survived in spite of doomsday messages. People still like to read books. Besides which, reading electronic books must be hard on the eyes. There is nothing that can beat the satisfaction of paging through a beautiful illustrated book of Livingston's travels through Africa. Just not the same to do that online.


Actually, the Kindle made by Amazon is not hard on the eyes. It's actually quite similar to a piece of paper when looking at it. There is no back lighting, so you even still need a book light to read in the dark.

I'm not much of a reader at all, but if I were, I'd be buying a Kindle. You can download every book Amazon.com has to offer. Including newspapers and bibles.

I personally think the print industry is dying, but I don't think it will ever die. Business cards (which are now on cell phones and can be sent to other phones) are too popular. Also decorative items like pictures and posters are too common.

I do think newspapers will soon come to an end, and people will start getting the news through their cell phones, iPods, iPads, Kindle's, etc.
pll
I don't think the print is DYING but it is surely DECREASING.
It's not dying for one reason : people will always need a piece of paper to write something fast or to clean something for example.

I couldn't do my homeworks without paper. It just doesn't make sens to write my maths problems on a e-reader.

There's still tons of people using paper to draw stuff (like before creating video games ect)

Paper is decreasing but not dying.
ocalhoun
pll wrote:

Paper is decreasing but not dying.

Heck, in office environments, the 'paperless revolution' is actually resulting in more paper being used, since employees are now expected to type and print their own TPS reports...
By making printing easier, it has become a more important part of the routines.
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
pll wrote:

Paper is decreasing but not dying.

Heck, in office environments, the 'paperless revolution' is actually resulting in more paper being used, since employees are now expected to type and print their own TPS reports...
By making printing easier, it has become a more important part of the routines.
Worst part is when the electronics create more print-outs than necessary. Like people printing PDF documents and not selecting the pages carefully. Also so easy to click on the print button. I agree the "paperless" has created an environment of increasing the use of paper. Use of paper may only really decrease when it is completely discontinued, and I don't see that happening very soon in the current paper guzzling culture.
standready
deanhills wrote:
Worst part is when the electronics create more print-outs than necessary.

Well sure because now you can generate reports sorted different ways easy. alphabetical, who owes the most, by state. Those reports could be viewed on the computer by whoever needs rather than printed but it really impresses the boss to see stack of useless reports.
c'tair
I've recently been looking for an ereader and Kindle 3 has won my vote. It's decently priced and offers pretty good technical specs for the price - 139$ for good good screen, size and battery efficiency.

I only consider an ereader because I have a large collection of ebooks already AND I tend to travel around, meaning it would really be a huge problem to take dozens of books with me - it's been a year since I moved to the US and I still haven't moved even half of my collection from my fatherland.

I'd also like to point out that print still has a huge advantage over ereaders - doesn't need batteries. This could be remedied by movable sources of power (solar, wind, water, kinetic?), but the need still stands. For example - despite having a phone with 8 gigs of storage, I still carry around a small paper notebook to record thoughts because I with a pencil I can write much faster than on a tiny numerical keyboard and I don't need to rely on my battery to recollect anything I've written down.

That is - I expect much of life to be spent near electricity, but I also expect my DIY skills to be able to build an off-grid charger for my future Kindle so that I can read ebooks even if I go for loooong adventures to places where there is no power grid.
daredninja
I really can't see how print (newspapers and magazines) will continue to survive. In a world where we are all (more and more at least) connected to the Internet and we are getting more accustomed to always knowing the latest news and gossip I can't see how much longer people will continue to read yesterday's news!

Let's face it when you are reading the paper in the morning it is no longer in fact news! It is old news! Since the paper was printed so many new things have occurred and so many new developments to the stories you are reading have come to happen.

It is inevitable therefore that people will (and are!) slowly and surely leaving print behind and adapting to the times by getting their news, editorials, blogs etc from electronic media.

As less people read print it will become less attractive to advertisers and eventually newspapers and magazines will no longer have the funding to survive and will die out one by one. The world media is already a highly consolidated industry and owners of print media will have no problem discontinuing these paper in favour or more lucrative parts of their media portfolio such as TV stations and online versions of the print.

At least in my humble opinion it is only a matter of time. Oh and by the way I enjoy reading my paper in the morning as much as the next person but I have come to rely on the internet as my number one source of news.

As for books I own a kindle and I love it but I would be very sad if books were no longer printed as I really enjoy owning and going through my library. However with time I believe we will see the printed book industry diminish as well, although it will take a lot longer than with the rest of print media.

On the otherhand people have been saying that newspapers are dead or dying for twenty years now and they've survived so who knows Shocked
medesignz
I prefer to read how to guides or any sort of manual in print form, rather than online.

I think newspapers such as TimesOnline are leading the way, but still is a developing format, and not something to replace the common print.

You cant do the times cryptic crossword on the net, can you?
ocalhoun
medesignz wrote:

You cant do the times cryptic crossword on the net, can you?

Surely you could do 10,000 other ones, though... Most of them for free probably.
medesignz
ocalhoun wrote:
Surely you could do 10,000 other ones, though... Most of them for free probably.

Sure, but can you win a dictionary worth £15?
watersoul
Print will never die out in my opinion as it's so special and "real" compared to a glowing screen.
I've mentioned in my blog that I recently took the lucky ownership of a few hundred old books, and I'm slowly going through them to filter out what should go to the charity shops and what I want to keep.

The oldest so far is 81 years old, a really interesting encyclopedia, then a 76 year old print of "The story of the world in pictures" which is truly fascinating. Only tonight I even found a 55 year old paperback copy of George Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty Four" (one of my absolute favourite books), and in a minute I'll be logging off to start reading it, even though I've read it a couple of times some years ago.

No, it's hard to imagine that tangiable printed work can ever truly be replaced in a digital format with the tech we have currently. It may become a niche market, it may even become much more expensive, but completely disappear? I can't see that ever happening...or at least I hope it never does.
ocalhoun
medesignz wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
Surely you could do 10,000 other ones, though... Most of them for free probably.

Sure, but can you win a dictionary worth £15?

Nope, but then again, its easier to use the internet to look up words than to use a dictionary anyway.
Radar
Nothing can truly replace print. Alternatives can try, but they're missing the fundamental experience and ease of simply picking up a book and reading. It's not just consuming information. It's a simplicity, and an escape from the increasing cyberpunk world that we live in.
medesignz
are you saying that Sigue Sigue Sputnik, really did come the future?

I bet that print will remain for a very very long time... for the sake of sanity and good eyesight alone.
keyman
Most of my reading is done on a computer monitor. I used to be a voracious book reader but rarely pick one up these days. I have many books, and cherish them very much but I don't buy books anymore, and don't go to the library more than once a year. I'm trying to minimize paper use in my life because I don't feel comfortable using a resource which is somewhat finite and possibly even endangered with out proper management. Still, everywhere I look in my home I see paper in some form or another. The one place I don't feel comfortable going without is in the toilet, and I'm not refering to the National Geographic magazines here Very Happy
deanhills
keyman wrote:
The one place I don't feel comfortable going without is in the toilet, and I'm not refering to the National Geographic magazines here Very Happy
Right, printed paper may not be such a good idea in this instance .... Laughing
emanuel2
I use a lot of electronic prints, especially when it comes to working for university. I seldom print them out, searching is a feature I never want to miss, when it comes to scientific paper and books. When it comes to entertaining is still prefer the old way. I would never read an e-book just for entertainment purpose. But I have to admit I never really tried e-book devices or table pcs for that purpose...
stressball
I personally hope not. I like paper. i still doodle on clean pcs of white sheet of paper when i brainstorm.
but i again things might change. not by our generation but our future generation who im sure will be accustomed to do things on computer. (not necessarily the one we are using now).

back then we use to write on papyrus and we use other form of writing tool. In china. back then they always use calligraphy brush or pen but now ppl use ball point.



9.63. 0.37 points to go.
PGe-tips
Of course print is not dead !
But print is like nature, it changes every day; the media, the technique, the audience, the environment , the goal it serves ...
This is a nice example of how strong a good print job can work.

Imagine that you want to reach the same impact with an electronic display.
I'm not saying it is impossible ... but so far I've never seen this around.
PS: this is an ad for the Zoo of Copenhagen (Denmark)
PGe-tips
And yet another another exaple where analogue "print" work gets converted towards digital print:

Or remember to convert before you get stuck in old ways of working and loose not only customers but also loose the fun in your job
nigam
i hope it won't...it still part in our lives.....
sketteksalfa
e-books are good for us!! but we need to think what can be cause by using!!
before we plan don not forget the think the disadvantages!!
if our environment will be damage and think that if it's good for us!!
celebi269
For me, it's not.

Albeit the advent of information technology, most people in the world don't have access to this.
They still use print in producing books. And personally, I really prefer print over web because print has this kind of magic that people are really enticed to read them.

Print.
gandalfthegrey
Well I know so many bookstores that have been closing down. Even a couple well known magazines. I don't think print will ever die, but it is certainly in decline.
ilovemedia
Print can survive alongside electronic media. It may be on the decline, but it will not completely die. There are still many parts of the world that don't have access to ereaders, tablets, etc.
medesignz
You cant touch digital... no matter how hard you try Wink
Haley_Madison
I feel that not only is print dying, but physical objects that we used to value before the digital revolution. It seems that more and more of our lives are happening online, so the need and desire for the physical is fading...except of course human physical contact!
medesignz
But what is the Kindle, if not print?
milkshake01
Print would become rarer, but it will never disappear for the time being. Print is necessary sometimes.
medesignz
milkshake01 wrote:
Print would become rarer, but it will never disappear for the time being. Print is necessary sometimes.
I'd like to agree.

I think that the best way to learn is through print. What are your views?
zaxacongrejo
10 years ago I brought new printer till today as printed lets say 5 a4 pages
And the ink-pots dried already for a long time now
I think peripherals were just one more business, and now is more target to offices
medesignz
zaxacongrejo wrote:
10 years ago I brought new printer till today as printed lets say 5 a4 pages
And the ink-pots dried already for a long time now
I think peripherals were just one more business, and now is more target to offices
Yeah, but what about all this 3D printing theyre all now on about
zaxacongrejo
hi
Quote:
Yeah, but what about all this 3D printing theyre all now on about


You are dam right I’ve seen 2 kinds at my rl one I japan other at the USA both similar and different at the same time
One of them uses laser to burn a special type of plastic in order to print the 3D model
The other one use several kinds of colored powders ,and again laser to print the 3D model
medesignz
zaxacongrejo wrote:
You are dam right I’ve seen 2 kinds at my rl one I japan other at the USA both similar and different at the same time
One of them uses laser to burn a special type of plastic in order to print the 3D model
The other one use several kinds of colored powders ,and again laser to print the 3D model

I am contemplating opening a 3D printing shop here in SW London. The only thing that would be an issue is trademark and copyrights, correct?
zaxacongrejo
Hi the ones I saw were big machines targeting the industrial market, they are meant to export models all over the world inside the same brand/factory, are you talking about open a shop to public use? Like copy centers?
medesignz
zaxacongrejo wrote:
Hi the ones I saw were big machines targeting the industrial market, they are meant to export models all over the world inside the same brand/factory, are you talking about open a shop to public use? Like copy centers?


Exactly that
zaxacongrejo
Hi just spot your answer now sorry, for some reason the little envelop at the posts list disappear from my account never mind.

The cost a lot of money to use as copy center you will have to have a lot of prints daily better to stud the market before.
medesignz
zaxacongrejo wrote:
... better to stud the market before.


of course... its just an idea like I said. Smile
jajarvin
Using the book will make you independent. You do not need an electronic reading device, which you would be charged at regular intervals to electricity.
medesignz
jajarvin wrote:
Using the book will make you independent. You do not need an electronic reading device, which you would be charged at regular intervals to electricity.
Agreed... You can write on a book Smile
zaxacongrejo
This week when talking with a friend related to 3D printing he told me that now there are more cheaper prints and also quite smaller and they use a new system, they have tanks with liquid plastics to create the models
medesignz
zaxacongrejo wrote:
This week when talking with a friend related to 3D printing he told me that now there are more cheaper prints and also quite smaller and they use a new system, they have tanks with liquid plastics to create the models
Thats correct, there is a powder form or liquid compound.

Say a great video that is on wired, where someone is duplicating vinyl record and getting low quality recordings of copyright protected music... It's all very up in the air about the trademark issue Very Happy
zaxacongrejo
yes i just noticed a couple of weeks ago and there are also small sizes for office and home already
Radar
Print won't die completely. It may not be what it once was, but it won't die completely.

Which is unfortunate really, because it seems to me that there is a far greater sense of nostalgia and romance associated with print and paper than there ever will be with digital modes of consumption.
teno
Print is having a rough time for sure. Newspapers with pedigree vanished just like that.

I don't know if we're doing ourselve a favour by "everything online" / "everything free". I noticed for myself that my PC time is way less productive than you would figure. I at least realized that my creativity and productivity are way more intense and "in flow" when being away from e-devices.

I read articels better when holding actual paper at my kitchen table instead of having my perception and brain yet again being rayed by electronic displays. Same counts for thinking about stuff. I am better in this doing it off my PC desktop.
Sabbadon
in my opinion, print is not dead yet.. sometimes it's really better read something in paper than in front of a display.. but maybe I'm just an "old school".
Anyway, bookstores are always full of people, so.. Smile
antoniotit
PGe-tips wrote:
Depending on who you ask, you'll hear that either Print is doomed to be disappearing or blooming.
It 's true E-Reader will continue to improve and become more lookalikes for paper as they do now.
But will they ever get a portion of the editorial media that really threatens the Print Industry ?
My opinion is no !
On-line media will compete more and more with periodics (dailies weeklies and monthlies) and we will value the gossip and celebs news and less as it it widely accessible through endless channels. But as long as we value quality photography tied in with content that is more focused harder to find on-line , Print will will continue to bloom.

Just curious about your viewpoint ?
here is some nice comparison reported by newsweek:


Bluedoll wrote:
t is hard to say. The future is so insecure. However in the last decade there has been a decline in print. Newspapers, magazines, media has taken a hit and sales are down. Higher printing costs and less people willing to pay the big advertisement dollars coupled with the fact that more and more people are actually being exposed and using the digital networks. We all see a significant change in the television culture along with the trend to evolve internet into internet TV. So where does that leave print? Well plainly it is just a lot more competitive than in history when these things just didn’t exist. We did here a lot of hype from so called experts telling us that print would completely disappear. That was false but today in our tougher markets the fact is we have less print growth. Perhaps that trend will continue, we will always have print around but not in the abundance we have now percentage wise. Media is going the digital route and newer forms of computer type information is yet to be seen (talking robot). The old hold in your hand printed paper will become like money. It is there but not like it used to be in the old days. That is my prediction.
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medesignz
It really does mean how you defy print though... Do you mean print publishing, print marketing?! There are so many different ways print is used, it will never end for sure.
Pande
My mother works in news paper, and it is most definitely dying.
Nick2008
I don't think print will simply disappear or die out one day. There's something that print offers that no computer or e-reader can, and that's reliability. Unless of course you burn the paper or flush it down the toilet, you don't risk losing the information because of a hardware failure. For all I know, many offices still maintain "hard copy" records of all their documents, even if they are backed up to various devices.

Newspapers are becoming less and less popular as more people gain access to the internet and mobile devices. Although it is no longer a profitable business endeavor, I feel like there will always be a place for newspapers, at least on the regional and local level.

I'm not sure about you guys, but I hate reading long passages on a computer or mobile screen. I much prefer to read a book in print because there's less eye strain and it's more enjoyable. Maybe that's just me though.

Printed books are also easier to read in bright sunlight than electronic devices. The reflection from electronic device screens usually makes it very difficult to see the text.
medesignz
much like the phat iTunes debate, does the eBook copies remain property of the copyright holder, rather than the purchaser?
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