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Most work should be contracted out. Do you agree?





chasbeen
People often have down time in their 9-5 jobs. So why work like this?
People should be contacted via their computers. They would advertise their services and do their type of work for the company requesting it.
These days companies could be relieved of paying staff because they have been hired as "Permanent staff"

The hired temporary people performing tasks requested by companies would be happier
because they
(1)carrying out their task with their specialty.
(2)Getting well paid so they are just as happy working 3 days a week for the same money they used to get for 5.
Companies are happier because they are not burdoned by paying people they don't really need.

Each countries government could specify the terms and conditions of hiring people, so that everyone would get work.

Most work should be contracted out. Do you agree?
hmghaly
that's a very good idea I believe, it goes under "outsourcing" or "crowd sourcing", and it can be very useful for simple tasks that are very well defined, otherwise it would be much hassle to manage, and it would not be safe also in many cases to process confidential business data this way.
chasbeen
It's an interesting time to be alive.
The next time you sit in a jam going to work. Think about the options.

Shall I move another 6 inches or shall I wait until the guy moves a whole car length.

Etc etc

I cannot breath.....

It really is only a matter of time before we make the change and apply the changes that are...

Mutually beneficial to all.
jwellsy
Contractors are more productive than in house employees, they are happy and eager to get the work and generally have more pride in their work accomplishments.
chasbeen
Exactly
Actually, speaking personally, I have been both.

The motivated contractor/consultant and the unmotivated permanent employee.

Looking to get back to the former now the kidees have grown up!
deanhills
I have not been a contractor, however think this is a good point. That contractors would be more productive, but depending on the specialist area. As in certain services, like in the catering industry, one would like to have a full time chef of choice, rather than contacting a contracting company and not knowing what quality there would be. But with jobs where productivity is more important than the skills sets, perhaps contracting those would be much more efficient and productive.
chasbeen
Actually a big factor is taxation.
As you know governments regard us as resources for revenue and no more.

There are various misconceptions but one example that emerged in the late 90's was the removal of most of the Freelance software consultants in the UK.

This was done so the consultants would be forced to work for companies with their skills.
As such individuals are channeled into new conventional tax categories so they can be properly harvested.
deanhills
chasbeen wrote:
As such individuals are channeled into new conventional tax categories so they can be properly harvested.
Sounds gross, but does sound typical taxman Smile .
menino
Contracted jobs are a great idea, and I do believe company's are outsourcing freelancers and consultants for this.
The problem is that this is usually more expensive for the company for specialized jobs.
For normal work, the company needs human resources to do the 9-5 shifts.

But hopefully in the future this will change, so that more of the day-to-day jobs can be outsourced to different individuals. But I think if the company sees that one of the individuals doews it better than the others, they might hire him/her full time.

Still a nice thought.

The tax thing doesnt sound good at all.. But if it has to be implemented, it is going to cause lots of paperwork and bureucracy and time, as well as money.
chasbeen
Imagine a world where everyone is good at something.
They are highly paid work 20 hours a week.
Out of some apparantly free hours they train or practice.
Thats why everyone would have a job and be happy.
I'm sure clever legislation would paper over cracks and provide all with a guaranteed income.
standready
Companies love to contract or outsource whatever they can. No worries for them on paying benefits - healthcare, vacations, sick time, pension, maternity leave, unemployment insurance, etc plus their portion of employee taxes.
Downside can be finding skilled and/or competent people.
chasbeen
It's all about supply and demand!
I was once met off a plane after finishing a job in Europe and landing in Britain.
Whisked to an interview 100 miles away from the airport and had the interview at 9 O'Clock at night Very Happy .

Two years later I had to compete with 40 or 50 people being interviewed for the same contract task.

It's about have in demand skillset! Sad
menino
The supply and demand theory works now as well, in the full-time job scenario.

Initially I.T. jobs were most coveted and highly paid jobs, and demand was high and supply was less.
Now its the opposite, i.e. supply is really high (but not necessarily expertised supply), and demand is also high, but the supply is saturated, in a lot of places.

If these jobs were to be contracted, its probable that those 40 or 50 competitors would get an equal opportunity for the same job, and probably even share the time on those jobs on an ongoing basis.
That way, everyone should be relatively happy (hopefully).
But I believe that a set amount of guidelines should also be in place so that neither the contractor nor the contractee suffer, but get a fair share of the task at hand.
chasbeen
It's a big subject.
In the field the main issue is that clients need to have a small team to get the best value because (for example)
A 50 week project would (In some cases) be handled by 1 guy or gal.
Unfortunately there is a misconception that if you employed 5 people for 10 weeks the project would not necessarily be completed.

You cannot generalise but in the field i'm thinking of that will not work, because the communication between the 5 individuals will vastly increase the complexity.

However (for certain projects) like moving 50 boxes, 5 people will do it 5 times quicker.

Of course the savvy client will realise this and wish to complete his/her project most cost effectively.
If they are not going to meet a deadline then they should not even attempt it and end up with nothing!
deanhills
On the subject of outsourcing, I thought this was quite hilarious. About two months ago I was having a major clean-up of all my papers and also to-do's, and one to-do was trying to sort out a short payment by Etihad Airways in a ticket that was refunded to me. I had been trying to fix this since 2008 November, with no luck. I then decided to give it a final bash, even prepared to travel to Abu Dhabi to see their accounts department. So when I went to the local Etihad Office to try and find the address, it then transpired that their Accounts are all contracted to somewhere in Mumbai in India, no address available. I wonder how many Airlines contract their accounting in this way? Wonder how long it will take for Banks to be doing this as well?
Possum
Ive done both contracting and 9-5.

Contracting is the best by far. More money and the work is more immersive. You start the job and dont go home until you finish. That way you maintain more continuity and flow. 9-5 is too stop start.
deanhills
Possum wrote:
Ive done both contracting and 9-5.

Contracting is the best by far. More money and the work is more immersive. You start the job and dont go home until you finish. That way you maintain more continuity and flow. 9-5 is too stop start.
I guess it depends what your job is on the 9-5. If you are hired to produce by the hour there would be a difference with someone who is hired for their specialist skills or managerial specialist skills, with a specific short and long-term outcome expected. People like that may work 18 hours a day sometimes. Less on other days. I don't think all 9-5 employers are expecting staff like that to sit behind a desk from 9 to 5. To the contrary, they'd rather see them out moving and grooving in line with expectations. Such as in marketing for example.

But if it is basic administration/computing with mostly repetitive tasks and a fixed job description, then working on contract may be much more interesting if the person is prepared to take the risk.
Insanity
I think I would much prefer the stability of a 9-5 job and the consistency rather than contracting. I mean, sure there may be traffic and whatnot, but at least you know what you're getting yourself into. As a contractor, sometimes you may not get enough work for a month to pay off certain bills and things. Though this can also happen for more salaried employees, it's not as bad.
chasbeen
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