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My job and some pointers to the under 25's





chasbeen
My son is 24 and I have put him into further education.
He has been trying for years to get a job he is already qualified for.
He's not had much success yet but still tries.

Whats your experience of getting your first good job?
What I mean by that is what is your first experience of getting a job you have trained for so that you cam apply what you learned at College/University?
chatrack
Hi,
in my case , i spend 3 years in different direction. I got job in some other field. It is better to study more, unless you are in urgent need of a job.
chasbeen
There is no doubt that studying is great if you enjoy it.
However do not forget the fun of employing it in the work environment and getting paid for it at the same time!
rogue_skydragon
I'm a 21 year old guy just out of the undergrad program at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and I must say...IT IS TOUGH trying to find work, especially in such a slow economy. I studied Film and Media for four years, and I've worked a few gigs as a grip/electrician on a few film shoots in Hollywood these past couple months, but as far as finding CONSISTENT work, it's very difficult.
chasbeen
Nothing to be ashamed of here.

You made the step from academia to some quite glamorous (if temporary) assignments.

What exciting prospects must lie ahead for you, particularly as your resume has not remained empty since finishing education.

If I were you i would consider related voluntary work to keep the brain working and supplement your resume maybe?
deanhills
@chasbeen. Wonder what your advice would be for under 25's who don't know what they want to study. I have just come across someone who feels obligated to study (parents have budgetted for it for a long time), and since he can't figure out what, decided to go for a BA without knowing yet what subjects to pick. He has just graduated from school. In your experience is there perhaps something else that people who are undecided can do before they tackle studies with no planning or focus?
chasbeen
Yes well that might be a solution. He/she might find something he/she is really into.
However it's clear to me that perhaps students in this category should take a break from study.
They should experience the appeal of earning money until they realise the importance of actually enjoying their jobs.
This is a good motivator for them to "discover" what they need to study when and where.
This way they become dedicated to the objective.
deanhills
chasbeen wrote:
This is a good motivator for them to "discover" what they need to study when and where. This way they become dedicated to the objective.
Right. Wish parents could be discouraged from sending children to University, when they don't quite know what they want. May set them up for failure.
nah022
he have to determine what he want to do what he is intersted in and be qualified to it he will find a good job and he will do his best
c'tair
Well, I don't think it's realistic to think that a person who just finished his degree will suddenly land a six figure job. I think it's just a myth and many, MANY people end up in debt, because they foolishly believe that after four years of learning they'll land a 5 hour per week job that pays thousands.

You have to start at the bottom. For a programmer that would mean writing basic code for hours on end. For a designer, that would mean designing leaflets for FREE, just to get his name out there.

Why? Because this person lacks real life experience. He's fresh out of school, and yes, he's gained knowledge about the field, but he doesn't even compare to people that have worked in the field for 5-10 years in terms on experience. A company hiring that person is taking a risk. What if that person turns out to be lazy? Or unreliable? First, he has to prove himself, then he will advance.

Looking for a job isn't really looking for a comfy position, it's actually making yourself into a product, a product a potential employer will buy/hire. It requires social as well as technical skills.

Life ain't easy, never was and never will be.
chasbeen
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but he doesn't even compare to people that have worked in the field for 5-10 years

It's true but then again we cannot make any statement without someone saying
Quote:
that's not completely true

There is always the talent consideration which skews this graph. A good example is a gifted athlete trying to become a professional sportsmen.
chasbeen
Quote:
Looking for a job isn't really looking for a comfy position, it's actually making yourself into a product, a product a potential employer will buy/hire

Yes we all know this but it's worth repeating.
c'tair
chasbeen wrote:
Quote:
but he doesn't even compare to people that have worked in the field for 5-10 years

It's true but then again we cannot make any statement without someone saying
Quote:
that's not completely true

There is always the talent consideration which skews this graph. A good example is a gifted athlete trying to become a professional sportsmen.


It's still a risk for the company, because most people don't have "TALENT" tattooed on their foreheads. It still will take a few months for this talent to emerge enough so that the company notices it, but this person can be sure that due to it they'll receive quick promotions. Still has to start at the bottom, though.
chasbeen
And personally I would not hire anyone who had ~talent~ tatoo on them Very Happy
Don't porget companies pay for "proven talent"
jwellsy
Try using a few headhunters. The don't cost the applicant aything. There is no downside to talking to them. Most of them have inside connections with employers.
chasbeen
But be selective with head hunters. Just have a couple or even just one because a potential employee/client will potentially reject you if they receive a resume from 2 different sources.
In theory, a good head hunter will ask you if you want to be considered by a certain employer/firm.
Some head hunters are not so trust worthy.
PureReborn
I'm almost 21, been in Uni for 3 years now and tried a variety of jobs and programs. I think working motivates me to study harder and the studying helps me get more interesting jobs.

Especially since my first few jobs were really boring and I didn't enjoy it very much, that give me the drive to study hard and get better (hopefully more interesting jobs).
chasbeen
We all go to university.
All of us go to the university of life.
You make your own luck in this world. Keep trying.
chasbeen
I am not going to honour this with a reply!
soljarag
I graduated college right when the economy hit rock bottom (summer of 2008) I went to work part time for the company I interned for (they were struggleing to find work for me to do since the economy was so bad) then I changed to just doing contract work for them because there wasnt enough work there to keep me there

So I lived at my parents house for 6 months looking for a job. During that time I worked on my portfolio, created my website, resume, business cards ect. ect.... I then found another Freelance Gig with a guy I had been talking to online for a couple of years. While I worked on that job, my father told one of his customers about me (he would always mention me when he went on sales calls )and I went in for an interview, and got my first full-time job.

I actually started this job exactly 1 year ago today Smile


So, Its basically helps if you know someone inorder to get a job ... especially your first job. After you get a few years experience then you will have an easier time getting a job without an "inside" person
chasbeen
soljarag
This has inspired me to start a new topic "getting started from college"

Today is a special day for me. My son did a 2 year diploma course in computer networking. This made him an "ordinary job prospect" and not a "spectacular job prospect" during his job search which has gone on without success for 4 years.

He does today start a third year on the diploma level course which will bring him to degree level.

He should be successful after he finishes that.

For him he's yet to get a start but he is just as enthusiastic to get there.
Insanity
I think the best thing to do is get real experience that is easy to get. People say that a lot of jobs require experience, but to get experience you need a job, but that's not always true. You can find lots of good experience working for free or for very little in internships. This will get your foot in the door for the company and give you valuable experience that you can put on your resume that might stand out a little more. Also, you develop many networking connections from working in the same place for a while and they get to know you better. This is always good when you're looking to change from your internship to a fulltime position. This is what happened to me. I started out working for free, then after they realized that I was doing a good job, they started compensating me for some of my work, and after I graduated, they decided that it would be a good idea to keep me. If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense; why would you bother hiring someone who is a complete stranger over this person who you've worked with fora year or more. Also, you don't have to give as much training to this person because he would be completely familiar with everything.
chasbeen
Yes, they did not have to pay for training and they got you as a real bargain.
Mutually beneficial...
Don't forget it was you who did the hard work and your still working dillegently/hard. Nothing to be ashamed about there but save a bit of yourself. Remember that you might become a hot property one day in demand from several potential employers.
dwxco
Being an intern or part of a coop provides you with valuable skills that employers want. You can do it in the summer, and most companies realize the benefits of getting people while they are young to learn their culture.
chasbeen
That's a "bread and butter" opportunity. You would be silly to miss one of those. As you get older you might decide to specialise so the demand for you is maintained. These more advanced opportunities are more "manufactured" and calculated (They are obviously not available to you yet because you have not had the time or anything to base your future objectives). There is a lot to be said for these initial opportunities. At the moment you have the hunger and potential employers like that.
HoytJolly
I went to school for eight years (yeah, it took a while) and then graduated only to find that no one was interested in my diploma. I struggled for several years trying to find a good job until I discovered the secret. You have to take what you learned and apply it on you own. My degree was in industrial design, but I had no love for product design. My love was for computer and web design. Eventually, I started to study web technologies and my love of the field led me to make several sites on my own. These sites grew the attention of my current employer. They liked that I was able to managed myself and that I was able to communicate my aptitude through the medium that I claimed to know. I recommend learning web design to anyone that needs work. Learning this skill is time well spent. To find out more, check out this site. It taught me almost all I know: http://www.w3schools.com/
chasbeen
Hoytjolly

It's great because you combined all your hard earned theory knowledge with what you learned at http://www.w3schools.com/
Now your talking, because of this combination you were able to discover many unique areas and you no doubt took advantage of Frihost to develop/display your work.

You combined your interests and are now getting paid for your interest.
Your learning has sky rocketed and you are able to offer a unique experience.

I'm not sure if I can claim to have achieved so much but please visit me at my little town on the web too!

http://www.irunmywebsite.com
decent_31bs
yeah, having been hired as your desired position is one of the best thing that will happen into your life.

I've been hired as web programmer in one of the big company in chili. this is a big stepping stone in my carrier.

To be hired, you need to have a positive mentality about the work you are applying. never loose hope in getting into the job. practice your profession. make some sample document so that when an interview comes, you have lots of things to show to the employer and lastly, always pray to God. Smile

Hope this will help. cheers..
chasbeen
decent_31bs we got to stop meeting like this.
You are in a good position being able to work from home, but don't let your home become your prison.

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