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ronbarak
I'd like to suggest the creation of new books recommendation forum, and maybe subdividing it to fora for fiction, non-fiction, popular science, science fiction, etc.
These fora would be for recommending thought provoking books one read and thinks are a must read for others.
A case in point: Survival of the Sickest~ A Medical Maverick Discovers Why We Need Disease (http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Sickest-Medical-Maverick-Discovers/dp/0060889659)

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When I was fifteen years old, my grandfather was diagnosed
with Alzheimer’s disease. He was seventy-one. Alzheimer’s—as
too many people know—is a terrible disease to watch. And when
you’re fifteen, watching a strong, loving man drift away almost
before your eyes, it’s hard to accept. You want answers. You want to
know why.
Now, there was one thing about my grandfather that always
struck me as kind of strange—he loved to give blood. And I mean
he loved it. He loved the way it made him feel; he loved the way it
energized him. Most people donate blood purely because it makes
them feel good emotionally to do something altruistic—not my
grandfather; it made him feel good both emotionally and physically.
He said no matter where his body hurt, all he needed was a
good bleeding to make the aches and pains go away. I couldn’t
understand how giving away a pint of the stuff our lives depend on
could make someone feel so good. I asked my high school biology
teachers. I asked the family doctor. Nobody could explain it. So
I felt it was up to me to figure it out.
I convinced my father to take me to a medical library, where I
spent countless hours searching for an answer. I don’t know how I
possibly found it among the thousands and thousands of books in
the library, but something steered me there. In a hunch, I decided
to plow through all the books about iron—I knew enough to know
that iron was one of the big things my grandfather was giving up
every time he donated blood. And then—bam! There it was—a
relatively unheard of hereditary condition called hemochromato-
sis. Basically, hemochromatosis is a disorder that causes iron to
build up in the body. Eventually, the iron can build up to dangerous
levels, where it damages organs like the pancreas and the liver;
that’s why it’s also called “iron overload.” Sometimes, some of that
excess iron is deposited in the skin, giving you a George Hamilton
perma-tan all year long. And as we’ll explore, giving blood is the
best way to reduce the iron levels in your body—all my grand-
father’s blood donations were actually treating his hemochro-
matosis!
Well, when my grandfather was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, I
had a gut instinct that the two diseases had to be connected. After
all, if hemochromatosis caused dangerous iron buildups that dam-
aged other organs, why couldn’t it contribute to damage in the
brain? Of course, nobody took me very seriously—I was fifteen.
When I went to college a few years later, there was no question
that I was going to study biology. And there was no question that I
was going to keep on searching for the link between Alzheimer’s
and hemochromatosis. Soon after I graduated, I learned that the
gene for hemochromatosis had been pinpointed; I knew that this
was the right time to pursue my hunch seriously. I delayed medical
school to enter a Ph.D. program focused on neurogenetics. After
just two years of collaborative work with researchers and
physcians from many different laboratories we had our answer. It was a
complex genetic association, but sure enough there was indeed a
link between hemochromatosis and certain types of Alzheimer’s
disease.
It was a bittersweet victory, though. I had proved my high
school hunch (and even earned a Ph.D. for it), but it did nothing
for my grandfather. He had died twelve years earlier, at seventy-six,
after five long years battling Alzheimer’s. Of course, I also knew
that this discovery could help many others—and that’s why I
wanted to be a physician and a scientist in the first place.
Bikerman
Good story (and it checks out as true which is always nice) SmileI'd support a book forum, but suggest that you also include a book club - a regular bunch who discuss one book per month or something along those lines. You might even be able to get authors to post in reply. We did something similar on the Science Forums - we'd take a particular area of science and talk it through. We had contributions from some quite well known scientists - Brian Cox for example.
Asap170
I am not much of a book reader, but I think a book forum would be good.
Hogwarts
You mean literature forum?
Bikerman
Not the same thing (to me, anyway). I was thinking more along the lines of a book club. I haven't spent any time in the literature forum, so this may be way out, but normally literature forums tend to focus on classics by well known authors, whereas a book club will normally be looking at new stuff, at least some of the time, and will be into fiction and non-fiction works.
I used to belong to a book club a few years ago. We'd pick a book (in rota), let the others know so they could get it, and then meet in a few weeks to discuss the book. I found it enjoyable but unfortunately it slowly died after a couple of founder members moved away.
Actually, though, there is no reason you couldn't implement something like this using the existing literature forum....
deanhills
This is a really good idea, along the lines of Bikerman's suggestion. I was wondering whether one could then break it down in specialist areas, such as IT, politics, history, biography, etc.
Ghost900
This would be interesting, I would defiantly check out the book club as I read quite a bit when I am not attending College. This could be an extension of the literature forum.
Nameless
An additional sub-forum for book recommendations etc. seems redundant, particularly given the current Literature forum already makes for, ahem, rather light reading. I'd just stick with creating new topics there unless it became particularly popular.
deanhills
Nameless wrote:
An additional sub-forum for book recommendations etc. seems redundant, particularly given the current Literature forum already makes for, ahem, rather light reading. I'd just stick with creating new topics there unless it became particularly popular.
Bikerman has already pointed out the difference with a Literature Forum, and I like his approach:
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Bikerman wrote:
Not the same thing (to me, anyway). I was thinking more along the lines of a book club. I haven't spent any time in the literature forum, so this may be way out, but normally literature forums tend to focus on classics by well known authors, whereas a book club will normally be looking at new stuff, at least some of the time, and will be into fiction and non-fiction works.
I used to belong to a book club a few years ago. We'd pick a book (in rota), let the others know so they could get it, and then meet in a few weeks to discuss the book. I found it enjoyable but unfortunately it slowly died after a couple of founder members moved away.
Actually, though, there is no reason you couldn't implement something like this using the existing literature forum....

It would probably focus on popular current titles that may be of interest to everyone. I think it is really a neat idea.
Hogwarts
deanhills wrote:
It would probably focus on popular current titles that may be of interest to everyone. I think it is really a neat idea.
I think it's unnecessary forum creation, for example, when you consider that there have, so far, been three posts today in the Literature forum. Dividing that up won't help :/

I mean, hell, the description of the forum is
Quote:
Literature - What is your favourite book or writer?

Is that not book-clubby enough already?
deanhills
Hogwarts wrote:
deanhills wrote:
It would probably focus on popular current titles that may be of interest to everyone. I think it is really a neat idea.
I think it's unnecessary forum creation, for example, when you consider that there have, so far, been three posts today in the Literature forum. Dividing that up won't help :/?
Bikerman gave a good explanation of what the difference would be between a Literature Forum and Book Forum. The two are not the same.
Hogwarts
deanhills wrote:
Hogwarts wrote:
deanhills wrote:
It would probably focus on popular current titles that may be of interest to everyone. I think it is really a neat idea.
I think it's unnecessary forum creation, for example, when you consider that there have, so far, been three posts today in the Literature forum. Dividing that up won't help :/?
Bikerman gave a good explanation of what the difference would be between a Literature Forum and Book Forum. The two are not the same.

Neither are squares and quadrilaterals. But squares still belong under the quadrilateral category Rolling Eyes


I'm being serious. The literature forum is so open ended virtually any discussion related to books can and should go in it. If you want to start a book club, why not create a topic in the literature forum?

In all your 8000 or so posts on Frihost, only one of them have been in the literature forum. I have to question when you last looked in that forum. And to prevent myself appear as though I'm committing the sin of ad hominem here, I'm going to justify myself by referencing how the majority of topics are about people discussing their favourite books, series and authors.
deanhills
Hogwarts wrote:
I'm being serious. The literature forum is so open ended virtually any discussion related to books can and should go in it. If you want to start a book club, why not create a topic in the literature forum?
OK. So if there is a book on IT, or a book on mountain climbing, a book on biography, a book on birds and birding, a book on history, i.e. non-fiction, would you class that under literature?
Hogwarts
deanhills wrote:
Hogwarts wrote:
I'm being serious. The literature forum is so open ended virtually any discussion related to books can and should go in it. If you want to start a book club, why not create a topic in the literature forum?
OK. So if there is a book on IT, or a book on mountain climbing, a book on biography, a book on birds and birding, a book on history, i.e. non-fiction, would you class that under literature?


Consider wiktionary's first definition of "literature".

Wiktionary wrote:
1. The body of all written works.
2. The collected creative writing of a nation, people, group or culture.
3. All the papers, treatises etc. published in academic journals on a particular subject.
4. Written fiction of a high standard.

Yes, I would.
deanhills
Hogwarts wrote:
deanhills wrote:
Hogwarts wrote:
I'm being serious. The literature forum is so open ended virtually any discussion related to books can and should go in it. If you want to start a book club, why not create a topic in the literature forum?
OK. So if there is a book on IT, or a book on mountain climbing, a book on biography, a book on birds and birding, a book on history, i.e. non-fiction, would you class that under literature?


Consider wiktionary's first definition of "literature".

Wiktionary wrote:
1. The body of all written works.
2. The collected creative writing of a nation, people, group or culture.
3. All the papers, treatises etc. published in academic journals on a particular subject.
4. Written fiction of a high standard.

Yes, I would.
Really Hogwarts, you're splitting hairs now. I can't imagine a literature class studying a book on DOS. Can you? They are more likely to study the classics and fiction. Something along the lines of this:
http://literatureforums.com/site-map.htm
Hogwarts
deanhills wrote:
Hogwarts wrote:
Wiktionary wrote:
1. The body of all written works.
2. The collected creative writing of a nation, people, group or culture.
3. All the papers, treatises etc. published in academic journals on a particular subject.
4. Written fiction of a high standard.

Yes, I would.
Really Hogwarts, you're splitting hairs now. I can't imagine a literature class studying a book on DOS. Can you? They are more likely to study the classics and fiction. Something along the lines of this:
http://literatureforums.com/site-map.htm

Splitting hairs? You just invented your own incorrect definition of literature when you've just had several given to your face by somebody using rational arguments -- and none of which are crud even close to your definition that "literature is, and only is, what a literature class would study".

I mean, really?


Really?

I can't imagine an English class studying a book on DOS. Following your idea, I suppose it logically follows that it's not written in English at all!

Seriously: Please come up with a rational argument before replying to this. You're otherwise just wasting people's time.
Bikerman
<clarification>please leave me out of this argument since I was careful to say that I was talking about what I generally found in literature forums, and I certainly did not offer a definition of the word.
I also said that there would be no reason not to use the existing forum...</clarification>
ocalhoun
Hogwarts wrote:


Really?

^.^

There's no rage quite like definition rage!
deanhills
Hogwarts wrote:
I can't imagine an English class studying a book on DOS. Following your idea, I suppose it logically follows that it's not written in English at all!

Seriously: Please come up with a rational argument before replying to this. You're otherwise just wasting people's time.
I was trying to suggest that a Book Club could discuss non-fiction books, that were not likely to find a home in a Literature Forum. More likely the discussion would be about latest books of interest to everyone in a popular context, rather than going into deep detail about its literature value. So something like that would not really be at home under the Literature Forum. I was also trying to suggest that such a Book Forum could be split up in different sections, i.e. IT, history, biography, politics etc. Like the science forum example is split up in different categories.
Hogwarts
deanhills wrote:
I was also trying to suggest that such a Book Forum could be split up in different sections, i.e. IT, history, biography, politics etc. Like the science forum example is split up in different categories.

Ignoring the fact that you've completely changed your argument, one could only wonder where somebody could post about science books.

Or history books.

Or books regarding politics.

Or books regarding IT

Or any other book that takes their interest.
deanhills
Apologies Hogwarts, I should have looked at the Literature Forum a long time ago. I assumed it was different to what it is. I expected it to be literature, as I studied a few years back at University, but the Literature Forum is like a book club. I have never participated in it before, so may try to do so from now on.

So I'm changing my mind on this one. You are right. We don't really need a Book Club.
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:

So I'm changing my mind on this one. You are right. We don't really need a Book Club.

If you wanted to, you could make a semi-official book club thread within that forum...
Just one thread would be fine for making weekly/monthly recommendations and hearing what people say about those recommendations.

If people actually participate in it, I'm sure you'd have no problem getting a mod to sticky it for you... Perhaps even make it a featured topic to get it off to a good start.
Bikerman
Thats along the lines I was thinking and if there is sufficient demand I will volunteer to oversea it (I can hardly not do since I supported the notion Smile )
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
deanhills wrote:

So I'm changing my mind on this one. You are right. We don't really need a Book Club.

If you wanted to, you could make a semi-official book club thread within that forum...
Just one thread would be fine for making weekly/monthly recommendations and hearing what people say about those recommendations.

If people actually participate in it, I'm sure you'd have no problem getting a mod to sticky it for you... Perhaps even make it a featured topic to get it off to a good start.
I'm not sure there is really a need for this. I have been posting in the literature forum since this discussion, and to my mind it is more about contemporary books than the "classical" literature type of Forum I thought it was. Hogwarts is really right about this. It is actually quite a nice Forum.
SonLight
Maybe what's needed is a more detailed description of what frihosters think should go in the literature forum, and make sure that discussion of any book was considered on-topic there. In some cases it might be appropriate to allow a post about a book there in another forum; for example, if a DOS book were discussed there, a short post in the computer forum about the thread might be appropriate.

I can see where this might lead to a lot of forum descriptions and decisions about policy. If there were a way we could cooperate in writing such descriptions and get wording and policies approved by the administration, it would be more of a community site while respecting Bonding's ultimate control.
Bikerman
Some reviews would be a good place to start. Have readers/posters review (in a fixed number of words) a book that they found particularly stimulating, interesting or useful.
That then forms an excellent basis for any discussion and also offers a useful reference for other users.
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