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Ianos
I live in th UK,i know that a % of indigenous working class are lazy and do not want work.
Has a bricklayer who lost his job last year i would have done anything to support my family,what i found out was that they only wanted people from the old eastern block countries or outside the Eurozone.
The people who go on about "we have to have these people" just want cheap labour,and the best thing about this cheap labour is that they can use it has a leverage on workers like me.
"Well they are working for it, why cant you work for that rate"
When you go to a party and you hear people talking about the beauty of Multiculturalism,ethnic diversty,they fall into various groups 1)professional people whose pay will never be affected by a influx of people into the country.2)The bosses who do not care of what is going to happen in the future or 3)Dull working class who cant work out that they are good for two things, WAR and being EXPLOITED
Everyone, even when they come from outside th UK should have a fair rateof pay.
I phoned up for a job,it was last year, self employed they were paying 7.00,when i said that was very low i had this reply "well we have Polish and Latvian bricklayers who are working for that rate"
which meant work for that rate or piss of.
I did not take the job,because i found a builder who payed me a fair rate of 11.00 pw,this is going on all over the UK,USA and Europe.If this would happen to you would you think kindly of these people knowing that you are being shafted,or would you be pissed of with them. them.
medesignz
Ianos, welcome to the forum. If you arent happy with the way the country is being run, you should very much try and do something about it. My suggestion is to go freelance, and get work that way. I don't know many people who would look through the yellow pages who need a wall laid, and expect to pay 7 plus materials.
If you can't find the work, advertise and let the work come to you. Don't be downhearted BUT don't be blinkered either. You'll start sounding like a snotty Daily Mail reader.
Nemesis234
not happy with 7 an hour. well i have no job, i would be VERY happy to work for 7 an hour, recently applied to mc donalds paying 5.50 and hour, is it a fair wage? maybe not, is it a wage, yes.

businesses need to make money to survive, of course they are going to try and get away with as little expenditure as possible, just go to a business thats values quality work, like a specialist bricklayer with custom clientelle, one whoes clients would not be happy with eastern european workers working on thier project.
Ianos
I am freelance,the going rate beffore it went bad was 13.00 do you know anyone or industrty were the rates have fallen by 30/40%,and yes i did advertise and it cost a lot and i did not have one reply.
In your reply you say that, I don't know many people who would look through the yellow pages who need a wall laid, and expect to pay 7 plus materials plus matrerials, what does that mean,7.00 and matrerials is way to much,i do not know were you are going with this,or are you saying that most people would know that they would pay more than 7.00 ph.
When i get replies like this they are usually from from professional people whose pay will never be affected by a influx of these people.
If the rate is 10.00 ph everyone should have that rate and i mean everyone,ask youself this if i was a professional do you think my pay would have fallen by that much.
Its not how skilled you are or that 4000.00 you have spent on tools,its that ability to work work for a lower wage.
I think its wrong that a Hungarian was working in Swansea, has a mechanic for 70 hours a week and the boss paid him his wage of 120.00,there is a businessman and the tyrant.
Ianos
Nemesis234 wrote:
not happy with 7 an hour. well i have no job, i would be VERY happy to work for 7 an hour, recently applied to mc donalds paying 5.50 and hour, is it a fair wage? maybe not, is it a wage, yes.

businesses need to make money to survive, of course they are going to try and get away with as little expenditure as possible, just go to a business thats values quality work, like a specialist bricklayer with custom clientelle, one whoes clients would not be happy with eastern european workers working on thier project.

Businesses need to make money,if i was the main supplier of the world cup football and i had a sweatshop in India and i had men and women working for me for a real low rate,long hours,dangerous working practices,how would you view me 1) What a businessman or 2)What a B******.
When i had to pay someone to do some contract work because i was to busy,i paid them a very good rate and yes there was always a small % who swung the lead,but most of them were great.
If Mc Donalds paid you 5.50 ph would you work harder and faster for 7.50.
I do hope you find work,go and see if there are grants to start you own business, keep on trying. Very Happy
jwright
Many companies have been ruined due to the exploitation of a cheap labour in a past decades. Many children also have to pay a high price for the cheap labour. But now there are various facilities which are made specially for the cheap labour which is control by the Government itself, that has lead to increase and a rapid growth in maintaining their economy.
medesignz
Ianos wrote:
I am freelance,the going rate beffore it went bad was 13.00 do you know anyone or industrty were the rates have fallen by 30/40%,and yes i did advertise and it cost a lot and i did not have one reply.
In your reply you say that, I don't know many people who would look through the yellow pages who need a wall laid, and expect to pay 7 plus materials plus matrerials, what does that mean,7.00 and matrerials is way to much,i do not know were you are going with this,or are you saying that most people would know that they would pay more than 7.00 ph.
When i get replies like this they are usually from from professional people whose pay will never be affected by a influx of these people.
If the rate is 10.00 ph everyone should have that rate and i mean everyone,ask youself this if i was a professional do you think my pay would have fallen by that much.
Its not how skilled you are or that 4000.00 you have spent on tools,its that ability to work work for a lower wage.
I think its wrong that a Hungarian was working in Swansea, has a mechanic for 70 hours a week and the boss paid him his wage of 120.00,there is a businessman and the tyrant.


It doesnt seem to me you understand.

Have you ever quoted someone work before?
ronbarak
Ianos wrote:
I live in th UK,i know that a % of indigenous working class are lazy and do not want work.
Has a bricklayer who lost his job last year i would have done anything to support my family,what i found out was that they only wanted people from the old eastern block countries or outside the Eurozone.
The people who go on about "we have to have these people" just want cheap labour,and the best thing about this cheap labour is that they can use it has a leverage on workers like me.
"Well they are working for it, why cant you work for that rate"
When you go to a party and you hear people talking about the beauty of Multiculturalism,ethnic diversty,they fall into various groups 1)professional people whose pay will never be affected by a influx of people into the country.2)The bosses who do not care of what is going to happen in the future or 3)Dull working class who cant work out that they are good for two things, WAR and being EXPLOITED
Everyone, even when they come from outside th UK should have a fair rateof pay.
I phoned up for a job,it was last year, self employed they were paying 7.00,when i said that was very low i had this reply "well we have Polish and Latvian bricklayers who are working for that rate"
which meant work for that rate or piss of.
I did not take the job,because i found a builder who payed me a fair rate of 11.00 pw,this is going on all over the UK,USA and Europe.If this would happen to you would you think kindly of these people knowing that you are being shafted,or would you be pissed of with them. them.

Hi Ianos,
D'you know the difference between has and as ?
Shame that a naive from the middle east has to point correct English usage to a native UK person Wink
Also, using the spellchecker might be a good idea.
Cheers,
Ron.
menino
Actually Ianos, the way the world economy is working, its going to punch a hole in everyone's pride and ego.
With so many business schools all over the world, you would think that these graduates would be able to make more money to fill up the lower quadrant even of working class people, but they cut corners off of them, to build up to the ignited by the home-loans especially, economies of different countries are falling, and you can see that by the news itself.

I can only suggest to study the industrial skill you have from a higher level and see where you can contribute and profit from it...... or change your profession.

In the middle east countries, Construction work is really booming, moreso a few years ago, before the financial slowdown, and maybe you can shift gears to this kind of work.

Good luck, though!
deanhills
Ianos wrote:
I did not take the job,because i found a builder who payed me a fair rate of 11.00 pw,this is going on all over the UK,USA and Europe.If this would happen to you would you think kindly of these people knowing that you are being shafted,or would you be pissed of with them.
This is a fact of life however. People would always want to negotiate you down in salary. So you have obviously got to stand up and barter, but only when you have a really good set of skills and experience to barter with. Until that point, it is probably better to eat humble pie, and work on getting that set of skills and experience in order to have something to negotiate with eventually. I think most beginners, unless they are really lucky and had a helping hand, usually start this way.
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