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Flat Earth Society





hippie24
When I checked their website, it was a little ambiguous. I couldn't tell if the whole thing was a joke, a philosophy, or a solid belief that the earth is really flat. The conversations and arguments that you can find on their forums are ridiculous! I went in thinking these guys were a bunch of morons and I left feeling like an idiot because I had no idea what any of them were talking about. Can someone please clarify for me what it is they are really about because it sure seemed more elaborate than just a belief in a flat earth.
Indi
It's quite real, or at least it used to be. i heard it closed up shop when the leader died a few years back. But they published maps and such - i even had one! (Although i don't know if i had a legitimate FES map, or just a map someone made to parody them.)

Are the websites you saw legitimate FES sites? Hard to say. If the society is still alive and running, they might be.

But yes, the Flat Earth Society is (or at least was, up until a few years ago) very real. It is a religious organization, of course, but they use fake science to back their arguments up - same as the creationists, anti-vaxers and global warming deniers. And just like all those other groups, they claim that scientists are perpetrating some grand hoax on the world - faking satellite imagery and so on. Naturally, they have to get rather elaborate with their claims to explain crap like how planes take the same time to travel from two longitudes in the north and south, why gravity lessens as you get higher, and why there are shadows on the Moon.
deanhills
Sounds unreal. I wonder how they get to explain the shape of the horizon, and satellite photos. Difficult to imagine that people can think this way. Wonder where the world ends and begins for them and where a person would "fall off".
Indi
deanhills wrote:
I wonder how they get to explain the shape of the horizon....

Light curves upwards. So the farther away something is on the flat plane, the lower it looks.

deanhills wrote:
... satellite photos....

Hoaxes.

deanhills wrote:
Wonder where the world ends and begins for them and where a person would "fall off".

The world is a flat disc, with the north pole in the middle. The circumference of the disc is an ice wall that we call Antarctica. If you went far enough inland from the coast of Antarctica, you will eventually fall off the side (although, i believe you won't fall off, but just hang there).

deanhills wrote:
Difficult to imagine that people can think this way.

Why is it difficult to imagine? The early Christians and Jews both thought the Earth was a flat disc surrounded by layers of "firmaments", with Heaven beyond the firmaments. The early Hindus thought the Earth was a flat disc on the backs of four elephants with a turtle underneath. There is nothing new about the Flat Earthers theories.

Nor is there anything unique or surprising at a group of people believing in something in defiance of virtually all accumulated human knowledge. i know of a huge group of people who believe that an omnipotent and omniscient being manifested part of itself in the form of a Jewish itinerant mystic in a backwater corner of the Middle East in the first century CE, only to allow itself to be brutally executed in order to appease itself with penance for the crimes humans did due to the flaws it created us with... and they call this being wise. Wacky stuff, man.
loyal
Indi wrote:

i know of a huge group of people who believe that an omnipotent and omniscient being manifested part of itself in the form of a Jewish itinerant mystic in a backwater corner of the Middle East in the first century CE, only to allow itself to be brutally executed in order to appease itself with penance for the crimes humans did due to the flaws it created us with... and they call this being wise. Wacky stuff, man.


Lol funny way of putting it.
deanhills
loyal wrote:
Indi wrote:

i know of a huge group of people who believe that an omnipotent and omniscient being manifested part of itself in the form of a Jewish itinerant mystic in a backwater corner of the Middle East in the first century CE, only to allow itself to be brutally executed in order to appease itself with penance for the crimes humans did due to the flaws it created us with... and they call this being wise. Wacky stuff, man.


Lol funny way of putting it.
Right, it is funny. Amazing how the "Flat Earth Society" gets to be lumped in with religion.

Looks quite easy to become a member of the Society:
Quote:
How to join the Flat Earth Society
First, you must believe the following things.

1. The Earth is flat.

2. All science is wrong, especially cartography.

3. All technology is evil (particularly bar code technology)

4. Fluoridated water is a socialist plot to take over the world.

5. Zippers are a symbol of round oppression. As such, no pants must be worn, with the exception of those without zippers, such as button fly jeans.

6. Our turf must be protected from any and all round earthers.

Then, you must contact us, and we shall determine if you are worthy to come to our current headquarters.


An accurate 3D representation of the Earth.
Bikerman
deanhills wrote:
Right, it is funny. Amazing how the "Flat Earth Society" gets to be lumped in with religion.
It was specifically compared to Christianity, not religion as a whole. Why do you find that odd? It seems both a natural and obvious comparison to make. Both rely on believing things which are either contradicted or not supported by science. The Church actually taught flat earth theory for a long time. The founder of the society (most people agree) - Rowbotham - had a system, which he called "Zetetic Astronomy" which is entirely based on the bible. This is what became the basis of the FES.
So it isn't actually the slightest bit odd to compare the FES with Christianity.....
Arty
The flat earth society appears to be full of mostly trolls.
deanhills
Bikerman wrote:
deanhills wrote:
Right, it is funny. Amazing how the "Flat Earth Society" gets to be lumped in with religion.
It was specifically compared to Christianity, not religion as a whole. Why do you find that odd? It seems both a natural and obvious comparison to make. Both rely on believing things which are either contradicted or not supported by science. The Church actually taught flat earth theory for a long time. The founder of the society (most people agree) - Rowbotham - had a system, which he called "Zetetic Astronomy" which is entirely based on the bible. This is what became the basis of the FES.
So it isn't actually the slightest bit odd to compare the FES with Christianity.....
The reference was to Christians, Jews and Hindus a few centuries back. I thought it was quite an absurd comparison, i.e. comparing present day Flat Earth believers to those of centuries ago, and singling out Christians, Jews and Hindus. I'm almost certain that most people of that time period thought the world was flat, for lack of education. The reference to the Flat Earth Society was a contemporary one, and I'm sure one would have to look quite far and wide to find contemporary Christians, Jews and Hindus who believe the world is flat.

Arty wrote:
The flat earth society appears to be full of mostly trolls.
Agreed. And well put Arty.
Bikerman
deanhills wrote:
Bikerman wrote:
deanhills wrote:
Right, it is funny. Amazing how the "Flat Earth Society" gets to be lumped in with religion.
It was specifically compared to Christianity, not religion as a whole. Why do you find that odd? It seems both a natural and obvious comparison to make. Both rely on believing things which are either contradicted or not supported by science. The Church actually taught flat earth theory for a long time. The founder of the society (most people agree) - Rowbotham - had a system, which he called "Zetetic Astronomy" which is entirely based on the bible. This is what became the basis of the FES.
So it isn't actually the slightest bit odd to compare the FES with Christianity.....
The reference was to Christians, Jews and Hindus a few centuries back. I thought it was quite an absurd comparison, i.e. comparing present day Flat Earth believers to those of centuries ago, and singling out Christians, Jews and Hindus. I'm almost certain that most people of that time period thought the world was flat, for lack of education. The reference to the Flat Earth Society was a contemporary one, and I'm sure one would have to look quite far and wide to find contemporary Christians, Jews and Hindus who believe the world is flat.
Since the society's belief in a flat earth is based DIRECTLY ON THE BIBLE then it is completely valid to make the comparison. Since Christians Jews and Hindus believe (or claim to believe) rather absurd 'articles of faith' then it is doubly valid.
I cannot, off-hand, think of another group that define themselves specifically by a set of irrational beliefs - most religions do, and the flat-earth society does. Can you name others? If not then this is not only a valid comparison, it is the perfect one.
Indi
loyal wrote:
Indi wrote:

i know of a huge group of people who believe that an omnipotent and omniscient being manifested part of itself in the form of a Jewish itinerant mystic in a backwater corner of the Middle East in the first century CE, only to allow itself to be brutally executed in order to appease itself with penance for the crimes humans did due to the flaws it created us with... and they call this being wise. Wacky stuff, man.


Lol funny way of putting it.

Glass houses.

deanhills wrote:
Right, it is funny. Amazing how the "Flat Earth Society" gets to be lumped in with religion.

It is no great secret that the FES has always been an explicitly Christian organization. i wondered if that still applied... so lo, i checked. Guess what: it is. (Catholic, if you're curious.)

Is it really that amazing that a religious group gets lumped in with other religious groups? The comparison seems so obvious to me that i even felt a little ham-handed for making it.

deanhills wrote:
The reference was to Christians, Jews and Hindus a few centuries back. I thought it was quite an absurd comparison, i.e. comparing present day Flat Earth believers to those of centuries ago, and singling out Christians, Jews and Hindus. I'm almost certain that most people of that time period thought the world was flat, for lack of education. The reference to the Flat Earth Society was a contemporary one, and I'm sure one would have to look quite far and wide to find contemporary Christians, Jews and Hindus who believe the world is flat.

Dude... -_- They believe the SAME THING... for the SAME REASONS. There is nothing absurd about comparing apples to apples. Even in the days of the ancient Jews and Hindus, there were people pointing out that ships go down over the horizon and that the shadow on the Moon is round. Their observations were ignored because their religious beliefs provided contradictory answers... and the religion trumped. The EXACT SAME THING is happening in the modern Flat Earth Society. The only difference between then and now is that now we have pictures. That's it. That is literally the only difference. They not only knew the Earth was round hundreds of years before Jesus, they knew its diameter.

The FES today is stupid for ignoring the rational, observational and scientific evidence. The people who believed the Earth was flat back in ancient Jewish, Hindu or Christian times were just as stupid for the same reasons.

And furthermore, if you want to call the FES (or the ancient Jews, Hindus or Christians) stupid for ignoring the rational, observational and scientific evidence, then you had better be damn sure that you're not doing the same thing. That would be (religious) intolerance.
Bikerman
I'm pretty sure that I am on fairly solid ground when I make the following assertion.
"No well educated person in Europe has seriously considered the world to be flat since biblical times".
We have Washington Irving to thank, mostly, for this myth. His 1828 fantasy, based on Columbus, asserted that the medieval Christians believed the world was flat - but t'weren't so.
Of course the leaned Monks and Aristocracy were happy to foster the notion of a flat earth to the congregation on Sunday because it was easier to do that than to have to explain that the bible wasn't being literal in the descriptions of the earth. There were some clerics who believed in a flat circular earth (St Basil for example), but the majority thought it probably was spherical. Some still had doubts (Augustine I think qualifies here) but they were largely based on arguments from ignorance and they pretty much accepted the evidence when it came down to cases.
Afaceinthematrix
In school, I had an English teacher who was in the Flat Earth Society. I know that he did not actually believe the Earth was flat for several reasons:

a) He told us he didn't believe it
b) He told us his biggest wish would be to see the Earth from the moon
c) He had satellite pictures of the Earth and they were all elliptical
d) Etc.

I think he was a member purely for debate reasons. He would challenge students by debating this with them so that he would have something to use and a tool for making people have to work on improving their arguments.

This, of course, wouldn't work for me now. But when I was much younger it was impressive. He did win quite a few debates by debating something plainly wrong. I think that, overall, it was a good exercise for both us and him. It was mostly a strong exercise for mostly us because you learn to not just use the argument "I know it is and you're wrong because your argument is stupid!" As much as I want to use that when debating Creationists, I am far over that...
Dennise
Can anyone suggest some simple, detailed and convincing experiment that might enlighten the 'flat earth' believers?

Would the excellent book Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions; an 1884 satirical novella by the English schoolmaster Edwin Abbott Abbott shed any light on their delusion? The book is about beings who live in a two dimensional world that are visited by a three dimensional being. A recommended 'read'.
loyal
deanhills wrote:

Looks quite easy to become a member of the Society:
Quote:
How to join the Flat Earth Society
First, you must believe the following things.

1. The Earth is flat.

2. All science is wrong, especially cartography.

3. All technology is evil (particularly bar code technology)

4. Fluoridated water is a socialist plot to take over the world.

5. Zippers are a symbol of round oppression. As such, no pants must be worn, with the exception of those without zippers, such as button fly jeans.

6. Our turf must be protected from any and all round earthers.

Then, you must contact us, and we shall determine if you are worthy to come to our current headquarters.


An accurate 3D representation of the Earth.


Looks more like they are doing it on purpose. I think they're just trying to get attention by pretending to believe in all this. I doubt it's real.
Indi
loyal wrote:
deanhills wrote:

Looks quite easy to become a member of the Society:
Quote:
How to join the Flat Earth Society
First, you must believe the following things.

1. The Earth is flat.

2. All science is wrong, especially cartography.

3. All technology is evil (particularly bar code technology)

4. Fluoridated water is a socialist plot to take over the world.

5. Zippers are a symbol of round oppression. As such, no pants must be worn, with the exception of those without zippers, such as button fly jeans.

6. Our turf must be protected from any and all round earthers.

Then, you must contact us, and we shall determine if you are worthy to come to our current headquarters.


An accurate 3D representation of the Earth.


Looks more like they are doing it on purpose. I think they're just trying to get attention by pretending to believe in all this. I doubt it's real.

PLEASE tell me you're joking.

Because i'm starting to get a sinking feeling in my gut that there are a couple people here who seriously need to be smacked upside the head.
Bikerman
LOL...I've had my hands in my pockets for days, just in case I was tempted Smile
The-Nisk
What are you people talking about? The world is flat. Fact.

Even my dog is 2D.
loyal
If you're talking about me, what I meant by "i doubt it's real" was that I doubt the society is real. I doubt they really believe in it. etc etc. Just attention seekers.

Peace.
Indi
loyal wrote:
If you're talking about me, what I meant by "i doubt it's real" was that I doubt the society is real. I doubt they really believe in it. etc etc. Just attention seekers.

Peace.

Uh huh? And what exactly are you basing that judgement on?
Indi
It's not Flat Earthers exactly, but if you don't really believe that this kind of bullshit is real:

Galileo was wrong.
spinout
hehe, earth in the centrum of the universe!
Ok, i'm always in the centre of everything so that must be completely wrong! Laughing
deanhills
spinout wrote:
Ok, i'm always in the centre of everything so that must be completely wrong! Laughing
I think that applies to all of us. Key is to get a perspective of it, and that is probably one of the most difficult things to do, i.e. to get outside our centre.
LittleBlackKitten
Blotting out the sun with your finger doesn't mean it isn't there, and pretending the world is like a dinner plate doesn't make it so. If it was all a gigantic hoax, why would the various planetary governments waste trillions of dollars covering up a massive planet shaped like a dinnerplate, even though it completely destroys almost every spacial law and object mass law (all things by themsevles form spheres, in layman's terms) and obliterate the early scientist's discoveries and all the images just to cover up a flat earth? I do not see the point. If the governments can cover up multiple errors and scandals only to freely admit them later on in life, WHY would they even bother to cover up something like that? Honestly, it's not as if admitting the truth, even on that large of scale, would destroy the systems we have in place for government. Yeah there would be rammifications, but. I still think it's a bit silly to believe that the world is flat; but that's my opinion. Anyone who believes that is free to do so, and I won't attack you for it, but I think it's silly.
spinout
to get outside of your centre! Hm, that thinking is needed world wide eh?
Be a polititian on that - the only problem is no polititians think like that Laughing

All is self centered. ????? Flat earth... a reaction of that thinking!
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