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Palin says her family went to Canada for health care





handfleisch
Almost nothing possible to add to this one... But the Republican vice presidential nominee who slammed the health care reform as socialism and "death panels" now says her family used to go to Canada for good ol' socialistic health care.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/palin-says-she-used-canadian-h.html
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Palin says her family went to Canada for health care when she was young

Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, a fierce opponent of Democratic health-care reform efforts who has said America under President Obama is headed toward socialism, told a Canadian audience her family used to go to Canada to get medical care when she was growing up.

"My first five years of life we spent in Skagway, Alaska, right there by Whitehorse. Believe it or not -- this was in the '60s -- we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse. I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn't that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada," Palin said a speech Saturday night, according to the Calgary Herald.
jmi256
handfleisch wrote:
Almost nothing possible to add to this one... But the Republican vice presidential nominee who slammed the health care reform as socialism and "death panels" now says her family used to go to Canada for good ol' socialistic health care.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/palin-says-she-used-canadian-h.html
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Palin says her family went to Canada for health care when she was young

Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, a fierce opponent of Democratic health-care reform efforts who has said America under President Obama is headed toward socialism, told a Canadian audience her family used to go to Canada to get medical care when she was growing up.

"My first five years of life we spent in Skagway, Alaska, right there by Whitehorse. Believe it or not -- this was in the '60s -- we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse. I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn't that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada," Palin said a speech Saturday night, according to the Calgary Herald.


I’m not an expert in Alaska’s geography or the history of the Palin family, but I would guess her parents’ decision to get treatment in a bordering town in Canada was based more on location than anything else. Also, I don’t think the argument can be made that Sarah Palin made the choice herself since this was almost 50 years ago and she would have been a small child. According to Wikipedia she was born in 1964, so at best she was five years old at the end of the 60s. I have no idea what the quality of Whitehorse’s or Skagway’s medical facilities were 50 years ago since they both seem to be small border towns, but I would guess they undergone considerable changes. Thankfully, her family had a choice, which is why many people are objecting to Obama’s government-run healthcare takeover. In a more timely example, the Premier of the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador decided to go to the US for his surgery. He was able to get better medical advice and not have to wait in line for his life-saving surgery.

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'My heart, my choice,' Williams says, defending decision for U.S. heart surgery

An unapologetic Danny Williams says he was aware his trip to the United States for heart surgery earlier this month would spark outcry, but he concluded his personal health trumped any public fallout over the controversial decision.

In an interview with The Canadian Press, Williams said he went to Miami to have a "minimally invasive" surgery for an ailment first detected nearly a year ago, based on the advice of his doctors.

"This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla.

"I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics."

The 60-year-old Williams said doctors detected a heart murmur last spring and told him that one of his heart valves wasn't closing properly, creating a leakage.

He said he was told at the time that the problem was "moderate" and that he should come back for a checkup in six months.

Eight months later, in December, his doctors told him the problem had become severe and urged him to get his valve repaired immediately or risk heart failure, he said.

His doctors in Canada presented him with two options - a full or partial sternotomy, both of which would've required breaking bones, he said.

He said he spoke with and provided his medical information to a leading cardiac surgeon in New Jersey who is also from Newfoundland and Labrador. He advised him to seek treatment at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami.

That's where he was treated by Dr. Joseph Lamelas, a cardiac surgeon who has performed more than 8,000 open-heart surgeries.

Williams said Lamelas made an incision under his arm that didn't require any bone breakage.

"I wanted to get in, get out fast, get back to work in a short period of time," the premier said.

Williams said he didn't announce his departure south of the border because he didn't want to create "a media gong show," but added that criticism would've followed him had he chose to have surgery in Canada.

"I would've been criticized if I had stayed in Canada and had been perceived as jumping a line or a wait list. ... I accept that. That's public life," he said.

"(But) this is not a unique phenomenon to me. This is something that happens with lots of families throughout this country, so I make no apologies for that."

Williams said his decision to go to the U.S. did not reflect any lack of faith in his own province's health care system.

"I have the utmost confidence in our own health care system in Newfoundland and Labrador, but we are just over half a million people," he said.

"We do whatever we can to provide the best possible health care that we can in Newfoundland and Labrador. The Canadian health care system has a great reputation, but this is a very specialized piece of surgery that had to be done and I went to somebody who's doing this three or four times a day, five, six days a week."

He quipped that he had "a heart of a 40-year-old, so that gives me 20 years new life," and said he intends to run in the next provincial election in 2011.

"I'm probably going to be around for a long time, hopefully, if God willing," he said.

"God forbid for the Canadian public I won't be around longer than ever."

Williams also said he paid for the treatment, but added he would seek any refunds he would be eligible for in Canada.

"If I'm entitled to any reimbursement from any Canadian health care system or any provincial health care system, then obviously I will apply for that as anybody else would," he said.

"But I wrote out the cheque myself and paid for it myself and to this point, I haven't even looked into the possibility of any reimbursement. I don't know what I'm entitled to, if anything, and if it's nothing, then so be it."

He is expected back at work in early March.

Source = http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h0QC7bditrEb3wYz_6_b-gsGGDxA
Afaceinthematrix
So what? What's your effing point? Are you honestly going to badmouth someone for what they did as a kid as a result of the way that their parents brought them up? You cannot choose your parents... You cannot hold what someone did as a kid because of their parents against them. I'm a very outspoken atheist but guess what... I went to church as a child! I didn't have a choice... my parents made me. I don't eat beef but if you went back in time, I'm sure you could find me eating beef that my mom fed to me as a child... Kids don't have choices over these kinds of things so why bother bringing them up?

Sure I hate Palin. I hate her freakin' guts. But I'm not going to bring this up... That's just a red herring. I'm going to attack, and hate her for, things she does now, as a decision making adult, and her idealogies NOW instead of trying to bring dirt up from her past that she has (and never had) any control over...

So I'll ask again: What's your point? Would you be holding it against Obama if, as a kid, his parents refused to let him get a treatment because they didn't believe in healthcare? I doubt it considering you live in a world where Republicans can do no good and Democrats can do no bad...
handfleisch
Hey fellas, don't go all to pieces. At least she didn't stroll over to Russia for her health care...
deanhills
jmi256 wrote:
I’m not an expert in Alaska’s geography or the history of the Palin family, but I would guess her parents’ decision to get treatment in a bordering town in Canada was based more on location than anything else.
I agree with this point of view. She must also have had little share in that decision as she was still a little kid. Silly point for her critics to dig up.
liljp617
If she traveled there today or took her children there today for healthcare, alright, you'd have a moderately decent point. This was 40+ years ago, when she was a child.

There are many aspects of this woman and the rest of the Republican Party worth criticizing. This isn't one of them. Stop reaching for things that aren't there.
handfleisch
liljp617 wrote:
If she traveled there today or took her children there today for healthcare, alright, you'd have a moderately decent point. This was 40+ years ago, when she was a child.

There are many aspects of this woman and the rest of the Republican Party worth criticizing. This isn't one of them. Stop reaching for things that aren't there.


I don't agree. First, there is the extreme hypocrisy and clueless factor -- Palin herself called it "ironic" -- that she is okay with the fact that her family happily crossed the border to get the kind of socialized health care of Canada which she is fighting and lying to keep the rest of uninsured Americans from getting. Remember, this is a leading Republican and right winger, a rumored presidential candidate in the next election, who invented the term "death panels" to scare Americans about nationalized health care, and part of that argument is that Canada's system is supposedly so inadequate.

There is also the issue of illegal immigration. How do US citizens get to use Canadian socialized medicine? Repubs and the right wing are the first to complain about illegal immigrants taking advantage of US social services. Is Palin admitting her family was happily doing the same thing Republicans abhor?

Also, if they could just wander in and get health care, it would show how good the Canadian system is -- no checks on insurance, no checks on who is eligible and for what, not even a check on citizenship. They just treat the patients and that's it. Sounds like civilization -- the kind of thing Palin is blocking the rest of America from having. Will Palin's followers and the tea baggers ever figure out the so-called irony of all this, and learn the lesson?
deanhills
handfleisch wrote:
I don't agree. First, there is the extreme hypocrisy and clueless factor -- Palin herself called it "ironic" -- that she is okay with the fact that her family happily crossed the border to get the kind of socialized health care of Canada which she is fighting and lying to keep the rest of uninsured Americans from getting.
Although I would not use the same words as you have, I have to change my mind and agree with you. As a small kid she obviously was innocent. But as an adult she gave affirmation to what had happened then by making it into a happy speech story of the present. She put her foot right into it. I genuinely hope this lady will never make President, she really has a knack for bungling things.
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My first five years of life we spent in Skagway, Alaska, right there by Whitehorse. Believe it or not -- this was in the '60s -- we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse. I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn't that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada," Palin said a speech Saturday night, according to the Calgary Herald.
Afaceinthematrix
handfleisch wrote:
I don't agree. First, there is the extreme hypocrisy and clueless factor -- Palin herself called it "ironic" -- that she is okay with the fact that her family happily crossed the border to get the kind of socialized health care of Canada which she is fighting and lying to keep the rest of uninsured Americans from getting.


There is no hypocrisy. You're the only person who doesn't seem to get this. Kids have absolutely no choice over these things. I constantly bash religion so is it hypocritical that I grew up going to church several times a week? No. I had no choice. I did what my parents made me do. Palin was the same. First of, I'm sure she just did what her parents made her do. A 5-year-old isn't going to beg their parents to let them visit Canadian doctors over U.S. doctors (unless they're fun with kids or something... but to know that she would have already had to been taken to a Canadian doctor by her parents). You're blaming her for something that she had absolutely no control over. Palin states that it is ironic because, quit frankly, she (like everyone except you), sees the irony.

And even if it was her choice to go to this doctor (which it obviously wasn't), that's still no reason to call her a hypocrite because it was 40 years ago and are you going to try to argue that no one changes their viewpoint over the time span of almost half a century?
deanhills
Afaceinthematrix wrote:
There is no hypocrisy. You're the only person who doesn't seem to get this.
Then maybe me too. The 5-year old Palin may be innocent, but the forty something Palin telling the story in a public speech is a different matter. That is completely adult. What made it hypocritical for me too is that she was trying to impress a Canadian audience with that story. In hindsight that was not a wise story to tell relative to her home base in the States. And perhaps very naive.
jmi256
handfleisch wrote:
I don't agree. First, there is the extreme hypocrisy and clueless factor -- Palin herself called it "ironic" -- that she is okay with the fact that her family happily crossed the border to get the kind of socialized health care of Canada which she is fighting and lying to keep the rest of uninsured Americans from getting. Remember, this is a leading Republican and right winger, a rumored presidential candidate in the next election, who invented the term "death panels" to scare Americans about nationalized health care, and part of that argument is that Canada's system is supposedly so inadequate.

I don’t profess to read minds, but she may have meant many things when she used the word “ironic.” Maybe it’s ironic that now Canadians are coming to the US to use its healthcare system? The quote in the blog entry you cited had only a small soundbite quoted, so it’s hard to tell what the context of the word is. Regardless, I agree with everyone else that the left wing is grasping at straws on this one.


handfleisch wrote:
There is also the issue of illegal immigration. How do US citizens get to use Canadian socialized medicine? Repubs and the right wing are the first to complain about illegal immigrants taking advantage of US social services. Is Palin admitting her family was happily doing the same thing Republicans abhor?

I don’t think she was saying that she immigrated to Canada when she was a small child. People can go to another country without immigrating, legally or illegally. The US has an open border with Canada, and if it’s the same as when I last went to Canada, all you need is to show your passport (when I was a kid all you needed was photo ID).


handfleisch wrote:
Also, if they could just wander in and get health care, it would show how good the Canadian system is -- no checks on insurance, no checks on who is eligible and for what, not even a check on citizenship. They just treat the patients and that's it. Sounds like civilization -- the kind of thing Palin is blocking the rest of America from having. Will Palin's followers and the tea baggers ever figure out the so-called irony of all this, and learn the lesson?

That’s a pretty big leap. So asking people to pay for what they consume is ‘uncivilized’? But just taking what you want is ‘civilized’? Seems backward to me. Where did Palin say there were “no checks on insurance, no checks on who is eligible and for what, not even a check on citizenship”? For all we know they had a system where no citizens or those not covered pay for services. I know Italy has a similar system to that. If a traveler gets sick and ends up in the hospital or needs treatment there, they are expected to pay. But in one instance you’re claiming it’s an “issue of illegal immigration” and trying to knock Palin for it (even though she was about five years old) and now you’re saying that a system with “no checks on insurance, no checks on who is eligible and for what, not even a check on citizenship” is “civilized”? Which is it?
mshafiq
By the way one of our (Canada's minister) went to US for some operation [Heart bypass]..
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handfleisch
jmi256 wrote:
I agree with everyone else that the left wing is grasping at straws on this one.

The better metaphor is beating a dead horse, since most of America including many right wingers are already appalled by and disproving of the Palin show.
ocalhoun
handfleisch wrote:
jmi256 wrote:
I agree with everyone else that the left wing is grasping at straws on this one.

The better metaphor is beating a dead horse, since most of America including many right wingers are already appalled by and disproving of the Palin show.


Many of them never liked her from the beginning... And now the honeymoon is definitely over, and she has lost a LOT of popularity as the hype wears off.

(Now, what other politician does that remind me of... *thinking*)
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
(Now, what other politician does that remind me of... *thinking*)
Good question Laughing Does it start with an "O"? Think

Agreed. I cannot think how anyone has ever taken her seriously from the beginning of time. She just seems to be putting her foot in it wherever she goes.
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