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Have you been hacked or do you like to hack?





milleja46
Since my last one got locked on basis of poor naming: EVERYONE has hacked or been hacked. And you probably know how to do it. I have been going out of school turning on my phone, and every so often i get a message that everyone realizes that the person has been hacked. "Hey, is this you?" and at the end you see a link. But seriously have you got nothing better to do all day than sit there and hack?

Hacking is something that should not be done, but is anyway. Just like spreading viruses, it spreads and is addictive to do. I have never done it but, seeing people day after day be hacked, it annoys me, that people have nothing better to do. So why do you hack? Or have you been hacked?

And personally i think that hacking unless for military it is a horrid pastime. Since the web is not safe because of hackingand viruses.

So what's your stand on hacking?
Arty
czarulit
I do not know how to hack, my site have never been hacked and Ido not suppose anyone would have any benefits of hacking it.
deanhills
I'm totally intrigued as I don't have a clue how people do their hacking. I can well imagine that it has to be a favourite sport of some and a challenge in a way. I often find that in the late night hours, reality seems to blur and becomes divorced from day time reality. So I can easily see some powerful IT guys, especially in their teens, getting completely carried away with challenging themselves to hack into Websites and making a sport out of it. It has to be similar to daytime challenges like kids challenging one another to climb over a wall and do smoking and swimming in a prohibited area.

Another category however is real true blue crime. Like industrial espionage to get ahead of competitors, or to do wilful damage to a system. The latter category is a serious threat to our freedom on the Internet as sooner or later this could lead to rules and regulations by which it would be come more and more difficult to surf the Internet anonymously.
milleja46
BUt in my case i see no real point besides misery, and in the case of army's a upper hand. So what is the point by causing others misery?
RubySlasher
Eh... I don't believe I've ever been hacked. Well, yet at least. *knocks on wood*

But really... hacking isn't that amazing anymore. So what? Any monkey with a keyboard can download one of the dozens of programs available to perform a brute force attack on someone's account or whatever. Kind of just like how any monkey with a knife can cut someone up.
But I guess the way through the keyboard is just safer and easier for the monkey.

Hmm, monkeys...
selim06
Personally I have never been hacked neither any of my websites got hacked. However it was really popular a few years ago whilst most of people didn't used to make backups for their websites and web servers were providing small hosting space for expensive costs so people couldn't be bothered to backup all the databases in their own disk drives and uploading them back if they need. In those days after a hack attack, you could find yourself crying in front of a CRT screen.
Recently, servers provide better backup features and people more aware of updating their scripts in case there might be a lack in the security. So I think hacking is losing its popularity, as it basically would just take a few hours to get everything back with a minimum loss in the data.
Secondly, I can't find out any point good about being a hacker. Please don't say me, they are genius and because of that they are cool and they have the right to modify/erase my data because I don't make them secure. Hacking is just the same thing with robbing someone's house, in both ways people lose money, reliability and confidence. Let's assume even though i forgot my door open, no one ethically should get in my flat and destroy everything i have. It's the same for websites, yes mate may be i had some weak points at my website security but that doesn't mean you should have done that to me. and most of times you absolutely get nothing to do that. You just prove in your perspective you're cool but I don't know any cool thief (except Ocean's 13).
deanhills
selim06 wrote:
Secondly, I can't find out any point good about being a hacker. Please don't say me, they are genius and because of that they are cool and they have the right to modify/erase my data because I don't make them secure. Hacking is just the same thing with robbing someone's house, in both ways people lose money, reliability and confidence. Let's assume even though i forgot my door open, no one ethically should get in my flat and destroy everything i have. It's the same for websites, yes mate may be i had some weak points at my website security but that doesn't mean you should have done that to me. and most of times you absolutely get nothing to do that. You just prove in your perspective you're cool but I don't know any cool thief (except Ocean's 13).
Selim, do you know whether hacking is officially a crime and have you seen cases yet of people being prosecuted? Just curious as I don't know. I would imagine that really large hacking crimes such as trying to get into the Military or Government Websites would be very carefully investigated and definitely prosecuted, but what would our options be on a personal basis when we find we have been hacked? Are there any rules and regulations that cover all incidences of hacking?
menino
My id was hacked once. Its a yahoo id that I use till today, when I used to frequent chat rooms.
I finally met the hacker, online, and he said his friend asked him to do it.
I changed my password immediately to a very complex one, and immediately, the hacker showed me my new password in IM. I was shocked, and asked how he did it, and he said he was an administrator for Yahoo, which I think was a lie.
But I got my id back anyways.

I just wished the hacker would have cleaned up my junk mail while he had my account. Evil or Very Mad Laughing
milleja46
Still i find it more frequent that people that are on twitter are hacked, and they get messages sent out "Hey is this you [link]" Where [link] is how they would hack others
disability
My p;ersonal experience a past web site was hacked. Not a frihost.com one.
It was a disability related site that was changed to a teen porn site. Believe me I would never ever do such a web site. Earlier this Feb. 2009 one of my web based email server sites was hacked. Okay the entire site including the email site was hacked. I wonder if it was a liberal politics site.
When I went to go to the site after some time passed it got even worse. I received a message from my antiviral that there was a Trojan. Well somehow the next day the site was back.
OTOH if a site would be hacked I wouldn't mind if it was a racist, hate, prejudicial one. IMHO
Cheers!!!
Disability
milleja46
See i hate when this happens. The only good would be what you said. But i still see it as wrong. Because the only person enjoying it is the person who hacks or others who know why it was done, or asked for it to be done. In the long run others start to not like it and the hacker is the only one that enjoys it. So i still see it as wrong and not right. Unless done for a military, or for a site that was about something mentioned in the post about racist and all that.

But now i have a question how do you protect yourself from being hacked whether it be a site or a computer?

(Also about to learn how to do this in class and how to protect ourselves since we are learning about remote desktop and all that. And about to play capture the flag on the computers)
Shadowninja7194
Well..my computer has been hacked before, lost a very very expensive program..but my website has never been haxed b4. Do i like hacking? hell ya, but ethical hax. I wouldnt do it just for pure fun, id rather be doing it for military stuff or something.
Shadowninja7194
O and how to protect yourself? Learn is my answer. Also you your brain when visiting sites, specially shady ones such as Pr0n, filesharing..etc. Learn your computer, the weakness's of it. open ports and stuff.
the bottom line is to learn (imo).
milleja46
Yeah i know to learn, but that is why i am asking you. I have personally never been hacked but i know of already 2 sites that have been hacked. One hyrule online you had to be there about 5 months ago to know what i was talking about. And twitter which i mentioned earlier.
Shadowninja7194
o ok, well i am still a HIT or a DJIT HIT = Hacker In Training or DJIT = Digital Jedi In Training. ( hehehe:D )

From what i know so far in my vast cast iron vault of my brain..that website hax's and computer hax are very differnt. For websites, they can be hacked from SQL injection or by CSS ( Cross Site Scripting ). THe list can go on and on if i knew what they were Very Happy.

For example...A hacker injects his javascript into a forum and steals someones cookie..by stealing that cookie he can then proceed to im-personate that one person. If that one person was an Admin of a website the hacker can then freely do what he wants with the website.

A great place to learn and learn safely is *Link removed*

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milleja46
Now that is intresting, now if we could just learn how to protect our selves like in a example of computer in a company being hacked like a CEO or Bosses computer. That contains all the data of the companies employess, and everything else. If that is hacked then the company is comprimised of all security. Now what if there was a line of code that prevented these measures this would not happen.
selim06
deanhills wrote:
selim06 wrote:
Secondly, I can't find out any point good about being a hacker. Please don't say me, they are genius and because of that they are cool and they have the right to modify/erase my data because I don't make them secure. Hacking is just the same thing with robbing someone's house, in both ways people lose money, reliability and confidence. Let's assume even though i forgot my door open, no one ethically should get in my flat and destroy everything i have. It's the same for websites, yes mate may be i had some weak points at my website security but that doesn't mean you should have done that to me. and most of times you absolutely get nothing to do that. You just prove in your perspective you're cool but I don't know any cool thief (except Ocean's 13).
Selim, do you know whether hacking is officially a crime and have you seen cases yet of people being prosecuted? Just curious as I don't know. I would imagine that really large hacking crimes such as trying to get into the Military or Government Websites would be very carefully investigated and definitely prosecuted, but what would our options be on a personal basis when we find we have been hacked? Are there any rules and regulations that cover all incidences of hacking?

The following paragraph is quoted from, http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/computer-hacking.html
Quote:
Computer hacking that is done for the purpose of committing financial fraud is a white collar crime that is taken very seriously in the United States. Federal law defines computer hacking as intentionally accessing a computer without authorization or exceeding authorization in order to access restricted information. Restricted information can include a myriad of things including: financial records of an individual or institution, personal information about an individual or organization, any government information or intelligence communication, and the like.

And for most of European countries regarding to European Union Anti-Hacking Proposal it's a serious crime. Most countries have their own laws for anti-hacking and your options to prosecute depends on that. For instance since 2007 hacking would cause you a 10 year prison time according to German laws.EU is still working on a more solid and harsh proposal that would be agreed and applied with all EU Member countries.
As you stated attacking to Military or Government Websites obviously would cause an prosecution, but as long as you think (you can prove) that the hacker caused you some sort of damage, you have the right to go to court. In most cases they'll find the criminal (as it's impossible to be untraceable in the internet protocol (TCP/IP) ) , but you should decide if it's worthy because it may take such a long time if hacker used many proxies and some other encryption and hiding tools to hide him/herself.
Even removing an account from a personal computer which is not owned by you officially would cause an prosecution. Last year, i read a story about an Irish guy who did this and it ended up in the court, regarding to Ireland's laws he founded as a criminal.
My own experience, in Turkey a few years ago, a hacker had tried to hack FBI's webpage and succeeded but in a day time he was caught and with special permissions from Turkish government his judgement taken place in the USA. There was a serious debate going on to decide which country's laws should apply for this crime.
Since I've been taking some lectures about Computer Security I can say website hacking and personal computer (or accounts) hacking work in completely different ways. An hack attempt over WEB (website hacking) is easier to investigate in most cases. My personal perception is as long as we take hacking attempts seriously and report them to officials, governments would be more serious to create better solutions for digital security. For example recently many countries created an "Digital Crime Police Department" to respond increasing litigations related to the topic.
In terms of law -as a tax payer- I have the right to apply for a prosecution and expect a satisfactory conclusion.
deanhills
selim06 wrote:
My own experience, in Turkey a few years ago, a hacker had tried to hack FBI's webpage and succeeded but in a day time he was caught and with special permissions from Turkish government his judgement taken place in the USA. There was a serious debate going on to decide which country's laws should apply for this crime.
Since I've been taking some lectures about Computer Security I can say website hacking and personal computer (or accounts) hacking work in completely different ways. An hack attempt over WEB (website hacking) is easier to investigate in most cases. My personal perception is as long as we take hacking attempts seriously and report them to officials, governments would be more serious to create better solutions for digital security. For example recently many countries created an "Digital Crime Police Department" to respond increasing litigations related to the topic.
In terms of law -as a tax payer- I have the right to apply for a prosecution and expect a satisfactory conclusion.
Thanks for the info Selim. Your experience in Turkey was particularly interesting. I would have thought that Turkey would have locked him up indefinitely and thrown away the key. He must have had a very savvy lawyer to get him to the States. Which of the hacking laws are more stringent in your opinion - US or Turkey?
erlendhg
milleja46 wrote:
Since my last one got locked on basis of poor naming: EVERYONE has hacked or been hacked. And you probably know how to do it. I have been going out of school turning on my phone, and every so often i get a message that everyone realizes that the person has been hacked. "Hey, is this you?" and at the end you see a link. But seriously have you got nothing better to do all day than sit there and hack?

Hacking is something that should not be done, but is anyway. Just like spreading viruses, it spreads and is addictive to do. I have never done it but, seeing people day after day be hacked, it annoys me, that people have nothing better to do. So why do you hack? Or have you been hacked?

And personally i think that hacking unless for military it is a horrid pastime. Since the web is not safe because of hackingand viruses.

So what's your stand on hacking?


I think you should be using the term "cracking" - criminal hacking - instead of hacking, because that is probably what you mean to describe. And yes, I know that the term "hacking" is being used about criminal activities like exploiting and compromising systems, but that is not what hacking really is about. You could read more about what hacking really is here: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is Especially the paragraph about what a hacker is not:
Quote:
There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people ‘crackers’ and want nothing to do with them.


So the way I see it, I'm doing a bit of hacking from time to time, mostly with programming, and I totally disagree that hacking is something that should not be done. I must admit that I have been doing activities, such as wardriving, that could fit under the term cracking too, but I have never done it in an illegal manner; that means, I have only hacked into my own networks, which is 100% legal (at least in my country) Smile.

And I agree, spreading viruses and such isn't cool at all! But that is all about something different from hacking Wink
milleja46
It may sound different but hacking is one way to spread viruses, because they can place a virus on the computer without you knowing it.
Ghost900
I personally have not been hacked but I have tried helping people who have.

They get something on their computer that makes their MSN Messenger send spam to everybody and the bot sends a link so others go to the website and get the virus as well. What seems interesting is that the hacking tool seems to just want everybody to get the virus as it didn't send a link to buy anything just for others to get the virus. Who knows what their goal is eventually, but I know that trying to remove those things is nearly impossible.
deanhills
erlendhg wrote:
So the way I see it, I'm doing a bit of hacking from time to time, mostly with programming, and I totally disagree that hacking is something that should not be done. I must admit that I have been doing activities, such as wardriving, that could fit under the term cracking too, but I have never done it in an illegal manner; that means, I have only hacked into my own networks, which is 100% legal (at least in my country) Smile.

And I agree, spreading viruses and such isn't cool at all! But that is all about something different from hacking Wink
I am almost certain that you have to be a "hacker" of high-integrity and I have great respect for your expertise, I'm completely intrigued by this "science". However hacking has been made into something really very negative, and if one hears someone is a hacker one is not quite sure what to make of it. I'm almost certain if the FBI experts had bots to check up on Forums that mentioned the words "hacker" or "hacking" that this thread may well be up for scrutiny. Or am I being paranoid now? Anxious
selim06
deanhills wrote:
selim06 wrote:
My own experience, in Turkey a few years ago, a hacker had tried to hack FBI's webpage and succeeded but in a day time he was caught and with special permissions from Turkish government his judgement taken place in the USA. There was a serious debate going on to decide which country's laws should apply for this crime.
Since I've been taking some lectures about Computer Security I can say website hacking and personal computer (or accounts) hacking work in completely different ways. An hack attempt over WEB (website hacking) is easier to investigate in most cases. My personal perception is as long as we take hacking attempts seriously and report them to officials, governments would be more serious to create better solutions for digital security. For example recently many countries created an "Digital Crime Police Department" to respond increasing litigations related to the topic.
In terms of law -as a tax payer- I have the right to apply for a prosecution and expect a satisfactory conclusion.
Thanks for the info Selim. Your experience in Turkey was particularly interesting. I would have thought that Turkey would have locked him up indefinitely and thrown away the key. He must have had a very savvy lawyer to get him to the States. Which of the hacking laws are more stringent in your opinion - US or Turkey?

Apparently Turkey adopted its penal law system from Switzerland, so it's not like Iran or most of other Muslim originated countries. Court decisions must be in terms of laws and government can't affect the judgement process (in most of 3rd world countries we see contrary circumstances). For instance surprisingly there is no death penalty in terms of Turkish law.
I remember that he wanted to be judged in Turkey (because on those days hacking wasn't taken a very serious crime in terms of Turkish laws). However because the crime was against USA Government and servers were located in the States, after a few days of diplomatic pressure to Turkish Embassy he was delivered to USA Embassy. Many of newspapers asserted that he actually caught by CIA agents but for formality CIA let Turkish police to interrogate him for a few days.
In the USA, you can get a 30 years prison penalty for hacking. I don't know for how many years penalty he was convicted but most likely either CIA or FBI will make a deal with him like in the case of David L.Smith who was sentenced for 30 years but only jailed for 20 months.
I can't really decide which country is more stringent, I think if you have a very savvy lawyer USA is better to be judged, especially after watching "The Law Abiding Citizen" I can say that. Anyway, hopefully we will never need to know.
adri
selim06 wrote:
My own experience, in Turkey a few years ago, a hacker had tried to hack FBI's webpage and succeeded but in a day time he was caught and with special permissions from Turkish government his judgement taken place in the USA. There was a serious debate going on to decide which country's laws should apply for this crime.


I read, some weeks ago, in the newspaper that Russia used professional hackers to hack into Georgian computers (government computers to be exact) before attacking Georgia with a 'real army'. They also stated that more and more governments hire hackers to hack into government computers to get private information.


Adri
milleja46
In http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9164038/Microsoft_Don_t_press_F1_key_in_Windows_XP is another way to get hacked. If you go to a certain site in IE on windows xp you can get hacked
Shadowninja7194
well yup. In the end its about knowledge, and where to get that knowledge and t ask other pro hackers? hackthissite.org is the place.

Still i only support ethical hacking. and if your a hacker..sweet:D go pro w/ teh gov
milleja46
But personally i think it is wrong unless you are helping the US or a company to learn how to protect themselves. Other than teching how to protect, and helping your country then it is wrong.
deanhills
selim06 wrote:
Apparently Turkey adopted its penal law system from Switzerland, so it's not like Iran or most of other Muslim originated countries. Court decisions must be in terms of laws and government can't affect the judgement process (in most of 3rd world countries we see contrary circumstances). For instance surprisingly there is no death penalty in terms of Turkish law.
I remember that he wanted to be judged in Turkey (because on those days hacking wasn't taken a very serious crime in terms of Turkish laws). However because the crime was against USA Government and servers were located in the States, after a few days of diplomatic pressure to Turkish Embassy he was delivered to USA Embassy. Many of newspapers asserted that he actually caught by CIA agents but for formality CIA let Turkish police to interrogate him for a few days.
In the USA, you can get a 30 years prison penalty for hacking. I don't know for how many years penalty he was convicted but most likely either CIA or FBI will make a deal with him like in the case of David L.Smith who was sentenced for 30 years but only jailed for 20 months.
I can't really decide which country is more stringent, I think if you have a very savvy lawyer USA is better to be judged, especially after watching "The Law Abiding Citizen" I can say that. Anyway, hopefully we will never need to know.
From what you said, I think I would prefer Turkey. If they have Swiss laws, they must be much more sophisticated than I had imagined them to be. It is a country that I have not visited yet, and have high up on my travel list, perhaps even this year. You've just convinced me that I must have completely underestimated this country. I get a feeling that it has to be the equivalent of Beirut, but possibly even more advanced and less corrupt in Government infrastructure. I can imagine though that hell has no fury like the FBI scorned, and can now understand why the FBI and CIA would have worked hard to get this guy to receive a hearing in the United States.
milleja46
But what does that say about us? Here in the US people are hacked everyday, even the minor things, but i don't think hacking is that well known of a fact that it happens, everyday.
Shadowninja7194
true, hacking isnt really that known to people, but it is starting to get noticed by the GOV and what not. I think were are all ( meaning the goverment and what no )just realizing how much powerr these hackers control and how dangerous they are.
taytay
there is technically two kinds of hackers. a True "hacker" is one who 'hacks' computer programs, machines and ect, to figure out how they work, and to make them better. IE solve security issues.
One who hacks software or machines for malicious reasons are known to the "hackers" as "Crackers". but society typically calls "crackers" "hackers", which while they do similar things, are very different, and thus the name has caused confusion.

Something like that... lol. There's a silent society of the "friend hacker" even. I'm not that secluded to even try peeping into it.
Shadowninja7194
lol sweet. mabye the actual hackers are called the popcorn people. who knows.. * shrug*
milleja46
Crackers are the ones i am referring to. They were silent in most of their attacks and spaced them out for the ones that were really serious for anyone to know, what it actually was. I remember seeing in class a while back where they intenally let someone hack their engine in the company, to see how easy it would be to do it to them. As of now i can't find that to show my example, but it should be self explantory, and easy to imagine.
ankitdatashn
I have been hacked but by a friend, and I have done ethical hacking many a times! Smile
deanhills
ankitdatashn wrote:
I have been hacked but by a friend, and I have done ethical hacking many a times! Smile
OK. This is interesting. What is ethical hacking? To me hacking has always sounded completely illegal, a complete no-no. So I would be most interested to know how hacking could ever be ethical?
Nemesis234
this thread seems to confuse itself with not really understanding the difference between someone hacking your computer and you simply downloading malware. anything that is downloaded from dodgy websites/links is a virus, no-one is actually "hacking" into your computer, it is all automated as part of the virus, this virus will either make itself very obvious or lay dormant for a few days up to a couple months until it has spread enough around the internet to become usefull to the creator. if someone "hacks" your computer you will most likely have something of great use to someone else, and they will access your computer and retrieve the information they desire. i would be surprised if after hacking a users computer they will make it obvious that they have actually "hacked" your computer, generally they will attempt to leave no trace and you will not even know you have been hacked. i have personally never hacked into someone elses computer or distributed viruses knowingly.

hacking websites however is very different, and really alot simpler. you would be surprised at the security issues some addons on certain servers have. there are certain downloadable exploit scaners available and you basically set it up to scan an internet server for vulnerabilites, i personally have run many of said scans finding holes in servers, just for interest really, and never to do anything malicious. i find it interesting to see what is left open for anyone to litterally "login" to a secure server with nothing more than a few well thought out commands.

there are ofcourse other server security vulnerablities i.e. sql injection, xss which really, on a decent well thought out website should never leave anything open for a hacker to gain access. there are ofcourse scanners available to test for these vulnerabilites aswell, which for interests sake i have run a few to see what was available, again, never doing any damage and never leaving any trace of my precense.
fahout
I love hacking. Mothers, lock up your daughters Smile
mengshi200
sometimes,we have to hack,for kindness aim.in the meantime,make somebody else 's server down accidentally,i feel sorry about this,so i have not been invade others server again to this day.
certainly,it not equal to say ,i will not hack for good purpose in the future.
jaidenscott
Back in the days, someone 'hacked' my small bulletin board by using the same password that was stored in another website's admin panel as plain text.

What my experience was with that 'hack'? Regretting how I didn't make frequent backups back then.
erlendhg
taytay wrote:
there is technically two kinds of hackers. a True "hacker" is one who 'hacks' computer programs, machines and ect, to figure out how they work, and to make them better. IE solve security issues.


My point exactly.
One should seperate the one term from the other.

deanhills wrote:
ankitdatashn wrote:
I have been hacked but by a friend, and I have done ethical hacking many a times! Smile
OK. This is interesting. What is ethical hacking? To me hacking has always sounded completely illegal, a complete no-no. So I would be most interested to know how hacking could ever be ethical?


This is actually very interesting. (At least to me).
If we accept the fact that there always will excist criminal hackers (crackers) with negative intentions, they will always try to break or exploit security weaknesses. One sort of ethical hacking is education, or learning of hacking methods, and thus be able to protect onselves from hackers (for example by being able to design hacker-proof systems). I believe also that all kind of security penetration testing (which might be referred to as some sort of hacking) done with legal permission is a good thing, so that the security systems can be enhanced and security leaks that might exist can be fixed.

Also, there is a sub-culture of hackers called white hat hackers, which (at least claim to) have good intentions. One example of white (or maybe gray) hat hacking, was when someone breaked into Apaches web servers (note, Apache is the big company who design web server systems) and informed them about their security weakness so that they could protect themselves from black hat hackers ("evil" hackers). If a black hat hacker had cracked Apache, they could have put evil code in Apache's web server source code, which again would have been distributed to millions of web servers all over the world.

Hence, I believe that there exists an ethical form of hacking (not cracking).
Bikerman
Different people understand the words 'hack' and 'hacker' differently.
A hack is the word we used decades ago for a 'patch' or a 'fix'. Basically a hack was a work-around for a software problem. if it was a particularly inelegant or clumsy hack then we called it a kludge.
A hacker was someone who wrote hacks - nothing ethical or unethical about it. Most people wrote hacks to get around the limitations of software for themselves, and they just got passed around - so you got the latest 'hack' for wordperfect that fixed a problem or added a facility.

Eventually it started to be used to mean someone who hacks entry/security programs/routines, and from there it has gone on so that it now means anyone who does anything naughty on a computer....
milleja46
Intresting turns this topic of mine has taken, but very well done and said...
Shadowninja7194
The term hacker is really just a way to call someone who gets around the lines of sowftware

If you have been "haxed" then the "hacker" would be called a "black hat".
A "Black hat" is someone who more or less dedicated to causing havoc by destroying or causing great mischief for someone cyber life.

A person who try's to to the "Black hats" work is someone who is called an "White hat". He is someone who is designing anti-virus software and new network security.


An "ethical hacker" is someone who is called a "Grey hat". This person is someone who enjoys messing with someones cyber life but also likes to be the "Shield" instead of the "Sword".
deanhills
For me a hacker has always had a negative meaning. It is a word that immediately creates an image of someone who is exploring Internet Accounts without permission for sport and sometimes with evil intent. I realize that there is positive hacking too, but one probably hears more about negative hacking than positive hacking. I'm curious however how people get to hack accounts.
Josso
It's a good way of testing security, it's up to morales of the person what you do with the info that you get... you can either tell the people that they've got a vulnerability or do something nasty.
Fappiness
milleja46 wrote:
Now that is intresting, now if we could just learn how to protect our selves like in a example of computer in a company being hacked like a CEO or Bosses computer. That contains all the data of the companies employess, and everything else. If that is hacked then the company is comprimised of all security. Now what if there was a line of code that prevented these measures this would not happen.


It would have to be a long line of code.
Besides, there is always a flaw, and you can't change that. It would be pretty much impossible to right a security code to completely prevent a hacking.
missdixy
adri wrote:
selim06 wrote:
My own experience, in Turkey a few years ago, a hacker had tried to hack FBI's webpage and succeeded but in a day time he was caught and with special permissions from Turkish government his judgement taken place in the USA. There was a serious debate going on to decide which country's laws should apply for this crime.


I read, some weeks ago, in the newspaper that Russia used professional hackers to hack into Georgian computers (government computers to be exact) before attacking Georgia with a 'real army'. They also stated that more and more governments hire hackers to hack into government computers to get private information.


Adri


This makes sense. I'm sure hacking/attempted hacking is a big part of warfare today, as well as national security etc., even if it may be kept on the D-L sometimes.
Aulos
Never been hacked before. I guess no one's had any real interest in hacking any of my accounts. Or I'm just not an idiot about keeping my accounts safe.

I haven't hacked either. Although there times I've forgotten a password for a PC, that has made me wish I knew how to.
deanhills
missdixy wrote:
adri wrote:
selim06 wrote:
My own experience, in Turkey a few years ago, a hacker had tried to hack FBI's webpage and succeeded but in a day time he was caught and with special permissions from Turkish government his judgement taken place in the USA. There was a serious debate going on to decide which country's laws should apply for this crime.


I read, some weeks ago, in the newspaper that Russia used professional hackers to hack into Georgian computers (government computers to be exact) before attacking Georgia with a 'real army'. They also stated that more and more governments hire hackers to hack into government computers to get private information.


Adri


This makes sense. I'm sure hacking/attempted hacking is a big part of warfare today, as well as national security etc., even if it may be kept on the D-L sometimes.
Agreed. I'm sure plenty of that must have happened during the elections in Iran, also in China. Can just imagine the intelligence services of most countries thriving on that sort of thing. They probably justify it being "in the national interest".
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