except for ending slavery, fascism, communism and nazism.. war never solves anything
It makes a GREAT tshirt! It really sucks in people and CONFRONTS them with the TRUTH of history!
I thought I'd share one of my favorite world news sources with you people:
http://ProtestWarrior.com
"fighting the left and doing it right"
Here are some other great CONFRONTATION with TRUTH shirts I own
i think so. But i dont agree with you about everything you post. Maybe sometimes the war can solve something but not all the things. why the war happened and why have to had fright, that maybe the question.
hmmm i heard this somewhere but i'm not to sure where anyway this is how is goes:
GIRL: "I hope you have learnt that war is not the answer..."
GUY: "Yep, except for all of America's problems!"
a game we may lose our life
| wistom wrote: |
| i think so. But i dont agree with you about everything you post. Maybe sometimes the war can solve something but not all the things. why the war happened and why have to had fright, that maybe the question. |
I'm guessing you didn't really pay attention to the thread.Saying that wars dont solve problems is very narrow-minded. You might be correct in sayin that they cause more problems than they solve, but not that they don't solve problems. For example, War means jobs. War was what pulled our country of ouf the great dpression. Im not saying that war is good or bad, rather that it cannot simly be tagged as one or the other.
| GW_Addict wrote: |
| Saying that wars dont solve problems is very narrow-minded. You might be correct in sayin that they cause more problems than they solve, but not that they don't solve problems. For example, War means jobs. War was what pulled our country of ouf the great dpression. Im not saying that war is good or bad, rather that it cannot simly be tagged as one or the other. |
So how many people will come in and post here without even reading anything but the thread's title?
WTF?!
So gonzo why don't enlist in the infantry so you can be sent over to Iraq to solve another problem? (*chuckle*) Or did you already do your tour of duty?
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| GW_Addict wrote: | | Saying that wars dont solve problems is very narrow-minded. . |
So how many people will come in and post here without even reading anything but the thread's title?
WTF?!
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Quite a few.
I get a simlar response by wearing the tshirt. Its classic (not classical) liberalism at work. They see what they want to see.. Its alot like that "new"age crap from the latest training file "What the bleep", or our 'friend' lib with his mantra 'perceptions are truth'.
I find it entertaining sometimes, but most especially when confronted by people in stores and restaurants. I'm rarely intimidated by anyone. It would really take a Shaq size person to pull that off. 
But liberalists would never try to be physically intimidating to make a point would they? That would be hypocritical and they never ever do that either right?
:snicker:
Here are some other great distilled sources of news for them to not-look at
"There never were any WMDs in Iraq," I can just hear another liberalist whinning... yeah, and I'm sure that was a great comfort to the hundreds of thousands of kurds slaughtered by WMDs...Protest warrior looks cool. Checking it out now. The treatment of the Kurds and the world's blindness to it is almost enough to make you sick. We are so quick to denounce the 'dreadful Iraq war' that we ignore all of the evil that was done there. 'The world is full of fools' - Cicero, I think.
I know I probably shouldn't get sucked into this, and I have to admit that the likelyhood of my revisiting this topic before it gets bumped to the bottom of the list is minimal, but I have to disagree (yes, S3nd K3ys, I read more than the title).
I love how liberalism is often equated with sissyhood and conservatives are the 'stronger' of the two:
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| But liberalists would never try to be physically intimidating to make a point would they? That would be hypocritical and they never ever do that either right? |
*Is it stronger to attack an 'enemy' who you have systematically weakend over many years for ever-shifting reasons?
*Is it stronger to refuse to share with others who have tried to make their way in the world but were constantly rebuffed by the 'good old boy' network that hordes money like life blood?
*Is it stronger to refuse to listen to another's point of view just because it challenges your world view?
War, in itself, is a bad thing. As the Dalai Lama said recently at a speaking engagement at Rutgers NJ (and I paraphrase):
The world is just one large organism. If you aren't able to understand that concept than you have a myopic understanding of your existence. If we go to war with another on this planet, than we are doing nothing but wounding the organism that serves as host for humanity. War is nothing if not futile.
That said, there are times when people understand nothing but violence and conflict and they must be dealt with in an appropriate fashion.
I would love if you could explain to me which war ended communism. In fact, every item on that list, excluding, possibly, Nazism, still exists in the world. War didn't solve one of those issues.
Try again. This time, provide some of your own fodder for the fire. | 52tease wrote: |
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*Is it stronger to refuse to share with others who have tried to make their way in the world but were constantly rebuffed by the 'good old boy' network that hordes money like life blood?
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Share what? Are you saying that everything everybody works all their lives for should just be given to someone else? Especially if that someone else is perfectly capable of providing for themselves but refuses to because they know the government/world will take care of them? Typical liberalism on a world wide level. I don't think so, especially if that 'someone' is trying to kill me because I don't believe in the same God that they do.
If you want to survive, than the least you could do is participate in your own survival. I don't have a problem helping those that need help, but I DO have a problem helping those that just want a ****** handout.
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*Is it stronger to refuse to listen to another's point of view just because it challenges your world view? |
No. But when it challenges my survival, YES.
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War, in itself, is a bad thing. As the Dalai Lama said recently at a speaking engagement at Rutgers NJ (and I paraphrase):
The world is just one large organism. If you aren't able to understand that concept than you have a myopic understanding of your existence. If we go to war with another on this planet, than we are doing nothing but wounding the organism that serves as host for humanity. War is nothing if not futile.
That said, there are times when people understand nothing but violence and conflict and they must be dealt with in an appropriate fashion.
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That's the stupidest thing I've heard yet today. You are aware that organisms have things like cancer, disease, virii, etc etc?
That's what terrorists are like. They need to be removed because we damn sure won't be able to talk them out of attacking us.
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I would love if you could explain to me which war ended communism. In fact, every item on that list, excluding, possibly, Nazism, still exists in the world. War didn't solve one of those issues.
Try again. This time, provide some of your own fodder for the fire. |
While communism was not completely ended, it's overall effect on the world WERE ended. The issues WERE solved, or did you forget that the regiems that were responsible for those 'issues' were removed and the world kept on it's merry march to freedom instead of tyrany?
Perhaps it's YOU that should try again.
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| They see what they want to see. |
Can't we all just get along?
Can't we unite against those who espouse apathy?
If people say I can't force my beliefs onto others, aren't they forcing that belief onto me?
If people say all systems of belief are equally valid, then do they include my system in which I think their system should not exist?
Will pacifists get angry when it's their own blood that's flowing?
No, we can't all just get along, sadly.
You'd think so, but if the liberals ever have their way unity will be a thing of the past.
That is correct, they are forcing their beliefs onto you, which is wrong if we try to do it to them.
No they don't include your system of thinking because in their mind, you shouldn't have a system that opposes theirs.
Chances are they will get angry, but in the way of liberals they won't do anything about it but blame someone else.
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| Can't we all just get along? |
As this thread has an eye to history is it blissfulness that prompts you to ask?
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| If people say all systems of belief are equally valid, |
They're not. Many are flat out wrong, if not essentially evil in practice. Liberalism comes readily to mind.
LiberalismIsEVIL.com
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| I love how liberalism is often equated with sissyhood |
I was equating it with hypocrisy and evil.
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| *Is it stronger to refuse to share with others who have tried to |
Charity is NOT the right role of the state. That burden lay upon the individual.
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| Is it [wise] to [ignore a fool's] point of view just because |
Yes.
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| [i]The world is just one large organism. |
The world is no more an organism than is the bowl containing fish.
yeah, I gues having a war can have have its advantages and disadvantages. I just feel sad for our world why do we have to have to have so much killing? | pixelkitten83 wrote: |
| ..why do we have to have to have so much killing? |
Keeps overpopulation at bay. oh yeah! I know, I just realized maybe that's it, overpopulation! 
i have something to say about this topic:
1)if anyone of you will live now in Israel you will change your opinion and you will think that war is the only chance
2)the news you see on yours TV shows only the bad situation of the arabic places they never show you what happend in israel before
3)remember the bad day of america? (11th september) until now america in war after this day did any one here know how much teror acts we have in israel? ill tell you its something like 1 time at a week!! (now the situation is much better i wish it will continue like that)
conclusion: i think that not allways but sometimes war is the only way to solve problems.
(bad english=russian)
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I would love if you could explain to me which war ended communism. In fact, every item on that list, excluding, possibly, Nazism, still exists in the world. War didn't solve one of those issues.
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Ever hear of the "Cold War", which is an ironic moniker considering the number of actual armed conflicts (ie; Vietnam, Korea, etc ...). These individual armed conflicts did not end the war per se, but convinced the US and the USSR to engage in an ever increasing arms race which the USSR did not have the economic resources to support and they nearly imploded because of it.
Yes, it you want to discuss things in an academic sense, yes, war did not TOTALLY eradicate Nazism, Communism, etc ... However, in the REAL world, it ended them as a VIABLE threat. The few die-hard adherents to these dead ideals are marginalied and have no power to threaten us anymore.
I am glad that my parents were able to grow up in a free society, free from the subjugation of Nazi Germany or Imperialist Japan. I'm glad that my children do not have to live on the precipice of a nuclear holocaust. I'm glad that my children do not have to have drills where they lie under their desk to kiss their a#* goodbye when a nuclear blast goes off.
Isyour mind made up already, or am I just confusing you with the facts? 
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| "There never were any WMDs in Iraq," I can just hear another liberalist whinning... yeah, and I'm sure that was a great comfort to the hundreds of thousands of kurds slaughtered by WMDs... |
Don't forget the Iranians in the 1980's. Oh yeah, and by the way folks, they were still there in 1991 in the minefields of Kuwait as we rolled in there ... unless my wearing a gas mask due to the CONFIRMED presence of nerve and blister agents from chemical mines that our tanks rolled over were also a figment of my imagination.
p.s. Where can I buy some of these t-shirts?!?! 
| damj wrote: |
| gonzo wrote: | | "There never were any WMDs in Iraq," I can just hear another liberalist whinning... yeah, and I'm sure that was a great comfort to the hundreds of thousands of kurds slaughtered by WMDs... |
Don't forget the Iranians in the 1980's. Oh yeah, and by the way folks, they were still there in 1991 in the minefields of Kuwait as we rolled in there ... unless my wearing a gas mask due to the CONFIRMED presence of nerve and blister agents from chemical mines that our tanks rolled over were also a figment of my imagination.
p.s. Where can I buy some of these t-shirts?!?! |
See to liberalists history doesn't matter... unless they decide its politically convenient
but the store, you ask?
http://protestwarrior.com/store.php
http://protestwarrior.com/tshirts.php
.. and ye shall receiveThis is political and faith based... (technically everything is connected so it doesn't matter which it "is"- but anyway)
Ask yourself: Do I want war or do I want peace?
After that the rest doesn't matter.
Yes it is very simple, and simple is fine.
I want peace. So I'm a smart cookie - because I only want peace I will find ways to solve problems without resorting to war (violence, fighting,etc...) because PEACE is that important to me. bottom line.
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| So I'm a smart cookie - because I only want peace I will find ways to solve problems without resorting to war |
Yeah, that sounds nice on paper, doesn't it?
Sometimes there is no solution: hence war.
Islamofascsist want: all americans to die or convert to islam
Amercians: don't want to die, and most aren't interested in a 'religion' shift.
I'm not converting to islam. And I'm not the least bit interested in being slaughtered in the name of allah.
The islamofascist position hasn't changed since the first time they went on a mad pillaging, and conquering spree pre-800 AD. It's pretty much the same charming mantra from each of their MANY world domination attemts: convert to islam or die
FIND a VERY SIMPLE solution yet "smart cookie"?
I want a fleet of maseratis. While I'm looking for a way to get them peacefully.. I still do NOT yet have them. Wanting an outcome does not itself effect a solution. Or perhaps more applicable: imagine you're falling towards the ground without a parachute; you've been falling for the last half minute. You likely don't want to smash into the ground and have a sudden increase in surface area. Want away -- you're still falling. Just because you're determined not to die in a few moments does nothing to avert impeding doom. Sure we agree it would be better not to die, or better not to be falling to your death, but it is the way it is irrespective of what you would prefer.
Welcome back to objective reality.[/quote]
you have a very strange definition of the West 
is China a west?
your t-shirt says so
and besides, what is good about monotheism?
imho it is as bad as communism, fashism (and neoconservatism 
) is | gonzo wrote: |
| earthchild wrote: | | So I'm a smart cookie - because I only want peace I will find ways to solve problems without resorting to war |
Yeah, that sounds nice on paper, doesn't it?
Sometimes there is no solution: hence war.
Islamofascsist want: all americans to die or convert to islam
Amercians: don't want to die, and most aren't interested in a 'religion' shift.
I'm not converting to islam. And I'm not the least bit interested in being slaughtered in the name of allah.
The islamofascist position hasn't changed since the first time they went on a mad pillaging, and conquering spree pre-800 AD. It's pretty much the same charming mantra from each of their MANY world domination attemts: convert to islam or die
FIND a VERY SIMPLE solution yet "smart cookie"?...
Welcome back to objective reality. |
obviously something I said has upset you and you decided to attack my beliefs --- that is exactly the mechanism of war, it doesn't surprise me then that you would defend war so passionately.
Nonetheless, my life really is that simple.
Peace. | earthchild wrote: |
This is political and faith based... (technically everything is connected so it doesn't matter which it "is"- but anyway)
Ask yourself: Do I want war or do I want peace?
After that the rest doesn't matter.
Yes it is very simple, and simple is fine.
I want peace. So I'm a smart cookie - because I only want peace I will find ways to solve problems without resorting to war (violence, fighting,etc...) because PEACE is that important to me. bottom line. |
Only a homicidal maniac actually WANTS war. As someone who has served their country in a war, I too want peace, but I also recognize the reality of the situation and that sometimes we have to fight, not out of choice, but of necessity.
In this country, we all have the freedom to live as our conscience dictates, but that freedom has a price ... the life blood of brave men who have died to secure a nation of our ideals, and to keep it free.
Pacifism can work at a personal level. Someone can walk up to you, beat you up, and take everything that you own, but you are still free.
However, a nation that does not defend itself will get conquered and subjugated. If we did not rise to defeat the threats of Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan, this country would not exist today. If we did not hold the Soviets in check, we would not enjoy our freedoms today.
Yes, it's great to wish for peace, but there will always be evil in the world. Wishing for peace is like Communism (not the totalatarianism as practiced by the Soviet Union, but true Communism as written by Marx and Engels) is a beautiful concept, BUT, it FAILED because it didn't account for mankind's nature, and that is that someone will always want more money, land, power, etc ... and will always try to impose their will against others.
Peace may be that important to you, but Peace is unimportant to many people.
I wish we could just have peace, but UNFORTUNATELY, the only way to achieve that is by having the ability, and willingness, to defend yourself. | gonzo wrote: |
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FIND a VERY SIMPLE solution yet "smart cookie"?
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LoL!!
| earthchild wrote: |
This is political and faith based... (technically everything is connected so it doesn't matter which it "is"- but anyway)
Ask yourself: Do I want war or do I want peace?
After that the rest doesn't matter.
Yes it is very simple, and simple is fine.
I want peace. So I'm a smart cookie - because I only want peace I will find ways to solve problems without resorting to war (violence, fighting,etc...) because PEACE is that important to me. bottom line. |
earthchild, when you tell us to ask if we want war or peace, I'd bet 99% want peace. Unfortunately, as gonzo pointed out, we're not the only ones with a say in this matter.
Islam has, for centuries, called for the exact thing gonzo said, "Convert or DIE"
Islam want's you to convert or be killed.
I'm not sure where you got lost in the translation, but let me help you...
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11 entries found for die.
die
intr.v. died, dy·ing, (dng) dies
1. To cease living; become dead; expire.
2. To cease existing, especially by degrees; fade: The sunlight died in the west.
3. To experience an agony or suffering suggestive of that of death: nearly died of embarrassment.
4. Informal. To desire something greatly: I am dying for a box of chocolates. She was dying to see the exhibit.
5.
1. To cease operation; stop: If your vehicle dies, stay with it.
2. To be destroyed, as in combat: could see the remains of two aircraft that had died in the attack.
6. To become indifferent: had died to all worldly concerns.
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Perhaps if you restated your question to something like; Ask yourself, do you want peace or death?
Because they way you put it, there is an option for peace without conversion, which I don't see. Unless you mean death as an alternative to peace.
How about if I ask you to ask yourself a question...
Ask yourself; do you want to convert to islam, or war? | artur.h wrote: |
you have a very strange definition of the West
is China a west?
your t-shirt says so
and besides, what is good about monotheism?
imho it is as bad as communism, fashism (and neoconservatism ) is |
Okay, let's just randomly throw out some more "-isms" ... atheism, pacifism, humanism ... ooooo ... no, wait ... personally, I like sesquipedalianism ...
"A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in The Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus and I'd still have to bum rides off of people. " - Ferris Bueller ... Bueller .... Bueller
Actually, have you ever read "The Communist Manifesto"? I doubt it .... it's a beautiful theory ... it will never work, but beautiful theory none the less .. and by the way, the USSR wasn't Communist ... it was Socialist, which is an intermediate step of the way to Communism, since Communism is a classless state, thus precluding a central government. | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| Islam want's you to convert or be killed. |
All of you need to take an Islamic studies class so you don't sound so uneducated and unaware.
(or try talking to an actual muslim person for a change)
what you are saying is just plain FALSE.
| damj wrote: |
| I wish we could just have peace, but UNFORTUNATELY, the only way to achieve that is by having the ability, and willingness, to defend yourself. |
it is impossible to fight for PEACE
it is like saying you have to meditate on peacefulness to have a war... (now that is funny - you have to admit)
PS. I stand by my previous post.
I choose PEACE.
peace. | earthchild wrote: |
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All of you need to take an Islamic studies class so you don't sound so uneducated and unaware.
(or try talking to an actual muslim person for a change)
what you are saying is just plain FALSE.... |
Problem is, to Muslims peace will only be obtained when all humanity bows to Allah, accepts Sharia, and follows the Qu'ran. Until then, their prophets and the Qu'ran requires that they strive for this era of "peace" by employing ANY means necessary, including the sword, taqiyya or kitman, or any deception. From their perspective, they are "fighting" for "peace." And in this "war for peace" there are NO INNOCENTS. ANYONE, who is not a Muslim, is the enemy who must be forced to convert or be killed. Also, any killing or butchery or deception to advance the cause of their jihad is good, because it promotes the "peace" they seek of one-world Muslim theocracy. Consequently, in the twisted malignant logic of their "religion" they consistently maintain that they seek peace, even while they kill and maim what we perceive as innocents in the name of their "god." | earthchild wrote: |
it is impossible to fight for PEACE
it is like saying you have to meditate on peacefulness to have a war... (now that is funny - you have to admit)
PS. I stand by my previous post.
I choose PEACE.
peace. |
Oh of course, you're so right. Hitler, would've brought peace, and Stalin, and Saddam and Pol Pot, etc ...
Obviously no sense applying logic in an argument with you, and no need to confuse you with facts, as your mind is clearly made up.
If you demonstrate the ability and inclination to use force when you need to, it deters aggressors ... now come on, even you should be able to grasp that concept?!? Granted peace through superior firepower is a true oxymoron, but in this world, there is now other VIABLE option, but you can feel free to keep sticking your head in the sand of your idyllic little world. | damj wrote: |
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Obviously no sense applying logic in an argument with you, and no need to confuse you with facts, as your mind is clearly made up.
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Obviously no sense applying logic in an argument with you, and no need to confuse you with facts, as your mind is clearly made up.
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It's the classic liberal modus operandi ... throw out blanket statements, but with no facts to back them up. | damj wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | damj wrote: | ...
Obviously no sense applying logic in an argument with you, and no need to confuse you with facts, as your mind is clearly made up.
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It's the classic liberal modus operandi ... throw out blanket statements, but with no facts to back them up. |
I was amazed at how well you said it. I've been trying to deal with that for months here. 
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| damj wrote: | | S3nd K3ys wrote: | | damj wrote: | ...
Obviously no sense applying logic in an argument with you, and no need to confuse you with facts, as your mind is clearly made up.
... |
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It's the classic liberal modus operandi ... throw out blanket statements, but with no facts to back them up. |
I was amazed at how well you said it. I've been trying to deal with that for months here. |
Have no fear, the Marines are here. I've got your back ...
Let's just say that I understand liberals because {in Robin's Williams voice from Mrs. Doubtfire} "I used to beeeeeee one". | damj wrote: |
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Have no fear, the Marines are here. I've got your back ...
Let's just say that I understand liberals because {in Robin's Williams voice from Mrs. Doubtfire} "I used to beeeeeee one". |
LoL! I'm somewhat of a converted lieberal too. (Actually, I converted shortly before dubya's first term ended)ahem.
my views about peace have nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism.
double ahem - an explanation of the fabric of the universe only can begin to be comprehended by those who are truly open to it.
correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of you gentle men are interested. So I save you the sermon.
If you want to go where these ideas can take you... well Dorothy, you won't be in Kansas anymore.
Peace | earthchild wrote: |
double ahem - an explanation of the fabric of the universe only can begin to be comprehended by those who are truly open to it.
Peace |
That's sounds really interesting, consider me open ... I would like to hear this explanation.Make war with words!! not weaponds!!!
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ahem.
my views about peace have nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism.
double ahem - an explanation of the fabric of the universe only can begin to be comprehended by those who are truly open to it.
correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of you gentle men are interested. So I save you the sermon.
If you want to go where these ideas can take you... well Dorothy, you won't be in Kansas anymore.
Peace |
I'm starting to see a pattern here. You're changing gears and trying to change the subject or get out of it all together.
Why is that? | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
I'm starting to see a pattern here. You're changing gears and trying to change the subject or get out of it all together.
Why is that? |
Now hang on K3ys, Earthchild may be onto something ... Let's give Earthchild a chance to explain ... | damj wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
I'm starting to see a pattern here. You're changing gears and trying to change the subject or get out of it all together.
Why is that? |
Now hang on K3ys, Earthchild may be onto something ... Let's give Earthchild a chance to explain ... |
Ok.
But it looks like he's run out of ammunition and is in full retreat. | damj wrote: |
That's sounds really interesting, consider me open ... I would like to hear this explanation. |
I will pm you damj - don't think anyone else is open to it | earthchild wrote: |
| damj wrote: |
That's sounds really interesting, consider me open ... I would like to hear this explanation. |
I will pm you damj - don't think anyone else is open to it |
By all means, post away. I'm listening. 
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
General William T. Sherman wrote:
War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
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Good quote in your sig ... After college, I was thinking of applying for a job at Aberdeen Proving Grounds and a friend of mine (and an Army veteran) asked me if I could in good conscience work on developing weapons. After some careful consideration, I decided that I could because:
1.) The moral responsibility of wether to use those weapons lies with some one else,
2.) It is important to have the capability to defend yourself if required, and
3.) The more effecient and precise that weapons are, the fewer lives are lost. Case in point, consider bombing missions in World War 2 where hundreds of bombs would be dropped with relatively poor accuracy to take out one target and significant or heavy civilian casualties could occur. Now, with the precision weapons, the same result can be achieved with much lower civilian (and even military) casualties.
As our technical capacity to wage war increases, the number of deaths has gone down. I personally saw the famous "Highway of Death" in the first Gulf War and was struck by how few casualties there actually were. We were able to bomb the front and rear of the column, bottling up the column, at which point most Iraqis left the vehicles and ran. | damj wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | General William T. Sherman wrote:
War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
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Good quote in your sig ... After college, I was thinking of applying for a job at Aberdeen Proving Grounds and a friend of mine (and an Army veteran) asked me if I could in good conscience work on developing weapons. After some careful consideration, I decided that I could because:
1.) The moral responsibility of wether to use those weapons lies with some one else,
2.) It is important to have the capability to defend yourself if required, and
3.) The more effecient and precise that weapons are, the fewer lives are lost. Case in point, consider bombing missions in World War 2 where hundreds of bombs would be dropped with relatively poor accuracy to take out one target and significant or heavy civilian casualties could occur. Now, with the precision weapons, the same result can be achieved with much lower civilian (and even military) casualties.
As our technical capacity to wage war increases, the number of deaths has gone down. I personally saw the famous "Highway of Death" in the first Gulf War and was struck by how few casualties there actually were. We were able to bomb the front and rear of the column, bottling up the column, at which point most Iraqis left the vehicles and ran. |
I am heavily involved in development of the US' F22 and the JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) with Lockheed Martin and Northrup Grummand. I'm proud to be a part of it. It's also good job security. | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
I am heavily involved in development of the US' F22 and the JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) with Lockheed Martin and Northrup Grummand. I'm proud to be a part of it. It's also good job security. |
B*st#rd! I'm jealous ... 
In my Junior/Senior year, had to decide if I wanted to be an Aerospace Engineer or an Employed Engineer, so I added 5 additional mechanical classes to get both a Mechanical and Aerospace B.S. ... having been working in Mechanical for 10 years now. | damj wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
I am heavily involved in development of the US' F22 and the JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) with Lockheed Martin and Northrup Grummand. I'm proud to be a part of it. It's also good job security. |
B*st#rd! I'm jealous ... In my Junior/Senior year, had to decide if I wanted to be an Aerospace Engineer or an Employed Engineer, so I added 5 additional mechanical classes to get both a Mechanical and Aerospace B.S. ... having been working in Mechanical for 10 years now. |
Buahahaha!
I've had my hands in many projects over the last 2 decades. It's somewhat satisfying knowing I'm a part of something that is so high-tech.
I also did a short stint in the bio-med arena, for Novartis (the Genomics Institute of the Novartis Research Foundation). That was interesting, but I think I like the military/space stuff better. | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
Buahahaha!
I've had my hands in many projects over the last 2 decades. It's somewhat satisfying knowing I'm a part of something that is so high-tech.
I also did a short stint in the bio-med arena, for Novartis (the Genomics Institute of the Novartis Research Foundation). That was interesting, but I think I like the military/space stuff better. |
B*sta#rd! ...
Any chance I can make you jealous with industrial plants, chillers, HVAC, plumbing, or industrial/sanitary wastewater treatment ... no?!? damn!!!! ... | damj wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
Buahahaha!
I've had my hands in many projects over the last 2 decades. It's somewhat satisfying knowing I'm a part of something that is so high-tech.
I also did a short stint in the bio-med arena, for Novartis (the Genomics Institute of the Novartis Research Foundation). That was interesting, but I think I like the military/space stuff better. |
B*sta#rd! ...
Any chance I can make you jealous with industrial plants, chillers, HVAC, plumbing, or industrial/sanitary wastewater treatment ... no?!? damn!!!! ... |
HVACs are pretty cool. | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
HVACs are pretty cool. |
Buh da dum dum {rimshot} ... thanks for the bone ...
