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China Against the Internet

 


Resident Egoist
Yahoo News reports:

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BEIJING (AP) -- China said Sunday it is imposing new regulations to control content on its news Web sites and will allow the posting of only "healthy and civilized" news.

The move is part of China's ongoing efforts to police the country's 100-million Internet population. Only the United States, with 135 million users, has more.

The new rules take effect immediately and will "standardize the management of news and information" in the country, the official Xinhua News Agency said Sunday.

Sites should only post news on current events and politics, according to the new regulations issued by the Ministry of Information Industry and China's cabinet, the State Council. The subjects that would be acceptable under those categories was not clear.

Only "healthy and civilized news and information that is beneficial to the improvement of the quality of the nation, beneficial to its economic development and conducive to social progress" will be allowed, Xinhua said.

"The sites are prohibited from spreading news and information that goes against state security and public interest," it added.


In light of the fact that there is no such entity as a "public," let alone a soi-disant "public interest" the true aim of the above policies shouldn't be hard to decipher: the promotion of the survival of a despotic regime. The use of such ambiguous language is often, merely a cloak for the institution of measures that allow some men to survive at the expense of others. Who is to define what such fraudulent terms as "public interest," "social progress," and "healthy and civilized news" mean anyway?! The Omnipotent State -- of course.

The Bristish Guardian elaborates:

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China announced a fresh crackdown yesterday on the internet amid further revelations of a plan by Hu Jintao, the president, to suppress dissent.

"The state bans the spreading of any news with content that is against national security and public interest," said a statement from Xinhua, the official news agency. The announcement called for blogs and personal web pages to "be directed towards serving the people and socialism and insist on correct guidance of public opinion for maintaining national and public interests".


Once again I ask: who is to define what the genuine "public interest" is, and what "correct ... public opinion" ought to be? Clearly, the Chinese dictators have no intention of resolving disagreements through reason and let Reality be the ultimate judge -- what they intend is to beat others into submission instead, as all irrationalism ultimtely must.

Hence you have the following:

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On Thursday a Chinese journalist and former professor was given a seven-year sentence for "inciting subversion" by writing hundreds of articles for banned overseas news websites.

Last month the government tried to implement a scheme to pay journalists according to how much Communist party officials liked, or disliked, their articles. In July a political activist was given five years for posting a punk song on the internet deemed to be subversive, and in April a journalist was sentenced to 10 years for sending an email overseas about restrictions on freedom of speech.

Providing further evidence of an organised national crackdown, the New York Times reported yesterday that Mr Hu called for a "smokeless war" against "liberal elements" in China during a secret leadership meeting in May.

The government employs a cyberspace police rumoured to number 30,000 and has spent lavishly on internet filters. Journalists and human rights organisations say the "smokeless war" amounts to a transformation of the government's tactics from violence, open harassment and the closing of newspapers to more covert methods of maintaining control. Journalists who try write on forbidden topics are rarely attacked directly, but are discredited by charges such as corruption, sexual harassment and extramarital affairs.


China's system of news and information filtration is so extensive that it is often referred to as "The Great Firewall" [think Great Wall of China]. And apparently some banned words and phrases on the net are "independence, democracy [and] freedom." Yet it is to these kind of totalitarian demagogues that the moral cowards at the U.N wish to hand over control of the internet -- so they can make a mockerie of that great enterprise just as they make a joke out of the concept of Human Rights by allowing such slave-countries as Cuba, not only to become members of UN Commission on Human Rights, but to becomes the heads of said Commision. But that is rant for another day.

For the moment, I will contain myself to reminding all those who like to initiate physical violence to promote their ideas, of the timeless words of a wise man:

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The very fact that there are intolerant governments and political parties intent upon outlawing and exterminating dissenters, is a proof of the excellence of reason. It is not a conclusive proof of a doctrine's correctness that its adversaries use the police, the hangman, and violent mobs to fight it. But it is a proof of the fact that those taking recourse to violent oppression are in their subconsciousness convinced of the untenability of their own doctrines.


That was Ludwig von Mises speaking.
phandsome
In Chinese website, I will not try to defend Chinese Government, it is quite different now.
Unfortunately we have, as far as I understand:
1. we have two many contents between sexy content and acceptable pictrures
2. we have too much fake news published
3, most important, some bad polictical game news

Anyway, I think Chinese government will be so stupid for blocking political news, "cause it will be very dangerious

I hope Hu shall not be so stipud in this case, other wise, we have many and many ways for different solutions to over pass that
windval
really
i do not know that
thanks for your sharing
cnnet
this is not news now
it come out March or April this year
wistom
really, i havent heard that? does it true? Thank you tell us. can anyone post the chinese words file. if its true, how could it be the internet. i cant imagimng that.
S3nd K3ys
phandsome wrote:

2. we have too much fake news published
3, most important, some bad polictical game news
...


Sounds like US news media. It's only news if it fits an adjenda. I can see a need for some kind of regulation, but firewalling for 'healthy' news (so they would have you believe) is a matter of: Who's it 'healthy' for???

I know very little about Chinese gov't, (this is likely part of the reason), so I can't really debate the issue except as to how it may be similar to what we have here.
ashok
but isnt it very rude to impose such restrictions? let the internet be free as it is, let them keep a watch on what's happening instead of posing restrictions on wat shud happen.
Resident Egoist
S3nd K3ys wrote:
Sounds like US news media. It's only news if it fits an adjenda. [/b]I can see a need for some kind of regulation[/b], but firewalling for 'healthy' news (so they would have you believe) is a matter of: Who's it 'healthy' for???


I suppose you don't see that what you're essentially saying is that you want to impose the institution of the very thing you seem to oppose.

ashok wrote:
but isnt it very rude to impose such restrictions?


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tommy.studio
I am a Chinese in Hong Kong
I think China is quiet...(I donnot know how to decribe it in Eng)
But I also believe China is not too bad.
mengshi200
this news is very true,actually ,things gradually turning bad.as the story goes,at blocking internet to Chinese people,USA's many company (cisco,mircosoft.......)cooperated with Chinese gov.to provide techinque support and product to help chinese gov. to improve firewall to blocking foreign website for Chinese visitors.
S3nd K3ys
Resident Egoist wrote:
S3nd K3ys wrote:
Sounds like US news media. It's only news if it fits an adjenda. [/b]I can see a need for some kind of regulation[/b], but firewalling for 'healthy' news (so they would have you believe) is a matter of: Who's it 'healthy' for???


I suppose you don't see that what you're essentially saying is that you want to impose the institution of the very thing you seem to oppose.


Perhaps you misunderstood me. IMNSHO, regulations should include things like hefty fines for deliberate lies. I'm not saying they should be shut down or not allowed to post news, but that news should be accurate. If it's not, then take action. Don't put a firewall up across the board.
phandsome
To support my previous ideas, I want to add something more:
For example, I stayed in China right now and nearly everyday, I will more or less received two message from Wap Internate:
1. I was told be winner of one special gambler because of special events held some where in China, by way of random selection among vast cell phones inside China
2. I shall be told that there is coming up very sexy wap site, where you can see most sixy pictures as well as hear some sexy voices or video

The question is:

If I am a teenage and I held the phone, which is becoming more and more popular, (like my nephew very offten check and use my cell phone for his phone games and/or send some sms to his school friends(, is that harmful?
ashok
phandsome wrote:

The question is:

If I am a teenage and I held the phone, which is becoming more and more popular, (like my nephew very offten check and use my cell phone for his phone games and/or send some sms to his school friends(, is that harmful?


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gud question
Resident Egoist
S3nd K3ys wrote:
Perhaps you misunderstood me. IMNSHO, regulations should include things like hefty fines for deliberate lies. I'm not saying they should be shut down or not allowed to post news, but that news should be accurate. If it's not, then take action. Don't put a firewall up across the board.


I don't think I misunderstood you. What you are proposing is not a total deregulation of the press, i.e., freedom of the press, but merely another way to control it other than using firewalls.

What i mean to say is that your system of "hefty fines" does not represent a difference in kind from the chinese system of firewalls and net police, but merely a difference in degree and method.

Both of your goals are the same -- the institution of a government mandated standard of truth [read: propaganda]; and both of you will indeed reach the same end: dictatorship.
gonzo
So where are all the fans of socialism and communism hiding today?

google for:

Darknets


for fun for your chinese friends Wink
windrei
haha, even i am in Hong Kong China, i do not know this news. Thanks for sharing.~

i don't know how do people from other countries think. But to me, China is already very opened and people have lots of freedom here. It's no longer a purely communist and socialist society~

and i heard another piece of news about the governement control of the internet. It's the use of lanugage, as some kind of special chinese "internet language" is developed during these years, which is completely difficult to understand and different from normal writings. The governement beleives that teenagers' mind will be "polluted" by those special language usage, so they are going to monitor about it, and forbid the use of such languages. Shanghai will be the first place to carry out.
cnnet
this main stop xxx web sites
and other illgle ones
mengshi200
Hong Kong is very different with mainland of China.hong kong's degree of freedom is close to west in many aspect.now we discuss mainland's situation,hong kong's experiences is obviously not adapt to it.
Resident Egoist
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Hong Kong is very different with mainland of China.hong kong's degree of freedom is close to west in many aspect.


True. Hong Kong is the most economically free country in the world. As a perspective, the United States is third. See Economic Freedom of the Word Report, 2005.
pixelkitten83
putting restrictions to the internet?? hah! that doesn't seem right? I agree, why don't they just let the internet as free it is, why restrict it, so any bad news wouldn't come out anymore and will make sure all news are good so they wouldn't be feeling guilty about something whatever it is that they do there. it's just my opinion. why cover it when you have nothing to hide? and I agree again, that could be dangerous, too.
Resident Egoist
pixelkitten83 wrote:
why cover it when you have nothing to hide?


Maybe you missed it, but they do claim to have a reason: they want to stop the propagation of allegedly "unhealthy" news --- and what sort of twisted mentality could possibly be against that, i.e., in favor of the publication of "unhealthy" news?

"Freedom of speech", you say? Freedom my foot! In grand old China, the terms "liberty", "freedom", and "human rights" -- among others -- are part of the index of banned, "unhealthy" words ... courtesy of Microsoft Corporation.

And after all, isn't the proper role of government, the creation and maintenance of a "healthy" society?
coolpages
thanks for sharing such a good story.
i;'ll keep this in mind of those "chineses" lol Very Happy Very Happy
hofer
It´s almost impossible to restrict he internet, there´s allways a way to crack the block system.
Ressurrector
Sad to see the net suffer from such communism and control like this.
mydo
in china,internet has little freedom .

most of chinese against it.
mengshi200
Now,situation turn more bad
Commando_Sondre
That was something new !!!!
freddymac
Isn´t it a impossible war or misson?
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