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speeDemon
hey, I was just reading an article on wikipedia.. and was wondering if this actually works. One of the paragraphs read out as follows-
Quote:
James Braid's Original Eye-Fixation Hypnotic Induction Method
Take any bright object (I generally use my lancet case) between the thumb and fore and middle fingers of the left hand; hold it from about eight to fifteen inches from the eyes, at such position above the forehead as may be necessary to produce the greatest possible strain upon the eyes and eyelids, and enable the patient to maintain a steady fixed stare at the object.

The patient must be made to understand that he is to keep the eyes steadily fixed on the object, and the mind riveted on the idea of that one object. It will be observed, that owing to the consensual adjustment of the eyes, the pupils will be at first contracted: they will shortly begin to dilate, and after they have done so to a considerable extent, and have assumed a wavy motion, if the fore and middle fingers of the right hand, extended and a little separated, are carried from the object towards the eyes, most probably the eyelids will close involuntarily, with a vibratory motion. If this is not the case, or the patient allows the eyeballs to move, desire him to begin anew, giving him to understand that he is to allow the eyelids to close when the fingers are again carried towards the eyes, but that the eyeballs must be kept fixed, in the same position, and the mind riveted to the one idea of the object held above the eyes. It will generally be found, that the eyelids close with a vibratory motion, or become spasmodically closed.
speeDemon
does this work, and has anyone tried it?? looks quite promising...
I have seen some demonstrations using different methods, but the results were outstanding...!
ocalhoun
Only kind of hypnosis I've ever tried is self-hypnosis through meditation/relaxation exercise. Once that went into effect though, it was quite effective.

Though I don't know why you're looking into hypnosis, I feel required to remind you that it is impossible to hypnotize someone unwilling. They have to participate in the process or it doesn't work.
Arty
Self hypnosis never worked for me. The audio recordings just fail to get me relaxed enough.
ocalhoun
Arty wrote:
Self hypnosis never worked for me. The audio recordings just fail to get me relaxed enough.

Don't need any silly audio recordings.

Just repeat the pattern of: inhale while tensing up one muscle, and telling yourself that you are hypnotizing yourself. Then, exhale while releasing tension on that one muscle, and visualizing the tension and stress flowing away from you like water. Repeat until you run out of different muscles to tense up and relax (takes a long time: the more thorough you are, the better it will work). I found it worked best if I saved the eye muscles for last. When you're done with that, tell yourself 'I am hypnotized now. When I did that, I felt kind of a floating sensation, and though my eyes were closed, the blackness of the eyelids became sort of 'staticy'. At that point, you'll be able to tell yourself anything you want, and your ability to determine if that is true or not will be severely impaired: you'll believe anything you hear. Don't do it with others present! Be sure that one of the things you tell yourself is that next time you try, it will be easier and more effective. Make statements as simple as possible (for better retention) and repeat them several times (to reinforce them). When done, be sure to tell yourself 'I will stop being hypnotized and open my eyes now', or you run the risk of staying in that impressionable state for too long.

The first few times, it takes a long time to get to that state, and it isn't very effective when you do. However, each time you try, it gets quicker and easier, and more effective.

The fifth time I did it, I did a test. I told myself that I could not open my eyes until I counted to 10. Then, I stopped and tried to open my eyes. I couldn't! It was like they were glued shut. After a brief moment of panic (being blinded is scary), I counted to 10, and was able to open my eyes again.
What you tell yourself under self-hypnosis overrides conscious will!
standready
Like ocalhoun, I have only done self-hypnosis. Nobody else can put me under. The one problem I have is not going pass hypnosis into actual sleep.
paskifire
Maybe this is the answer for my insomnia haha just kidding
ocalhoun
paskifire wrote:
Maybe this is the answer for my insomnia haha just kidding

Actually, it probably could be, with practice.
Once you get good at it, it gives you an amazing level of self-control, even over things not normally controllable... like sleep. You could probably condition yourself to become very sleepy at a certain cue.
Dean_The_Great
That's really cool. I may have to try that at some point.
Fatality
A very interesting topic. I have never believed that it worked. The self-hypnosis thing seems sort of cool. I would have never thought that you could hypnotize yourself.
medesignz
i have looked into hypnosis on several occasions and its something I want to crack.

the only way to hypnotise someone is for them to completely trust you, and to want to be hypnotised and to be believed they can be hypnotised.

From what I have read so far, hypnosis is nothing more than suggestions for the mark to follow.

The "trance" is what you will have most difficulty in mastering and perfecting, should it ever really have any effect.

The "wide awake" is just as tricky and will take years for a desired lasting AFFECT...

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ocalhoun
Fatality wrote:
A very interesting topic. I have never believed that it worked. The self-hypnosis thing seems sort of cool. I would have never thought that you could hypnotize yourself.

medesignz wrote:

the only way to hypnotise someone is for them to completely trust you, and to want to be hypnotised and to be believed they can be hypnotised.

Of course, in self-hypnosis, trust, desire, and belief are a given.
medesignz wrote:

From what I have read so far, hypnosis is nothing more than suggestions for the mark to follow.

Hence why the 2nd person is not needed if the 1st person already knows what to suggest.
airh3ad
I would just like to say, hypnotism is a dangerous and risky thing. You need someone expirienced around you to help, or keep an eye on you whilst you are hypnotised. You can do something stupid, without realising it, and you wont be able to control your self or even remember it after your hypnotism has worn off. the one question always asked when it comes to man hypnotism (when i say man i talk about the human race in general) is “Can anyone hypnotise, or is it a gift for some people”.
Well, infact, if you believe that you have to have a special gift, then think again. All your required to have is a lot of expirience, get hypnotised your self (for expirience, this isnt actually required but it helps)and you need a imagination to hypnotise. better to go to hospital to check your health.
medesignz
airh3ad wrote:
I would just like to say, hypnotism is a dangerous and risky thing. You need someone expirienced around you to help, or keep an eye on you whilst you are hypnotised. You can do something stupid, without realising it, and you wont be able to control your self or even remember it after your hypnotism has worn off. the one question always asked when it comes to man hypnotism (when i say man i talk about the human race in general) is “Can anyone hypnotise, or is it a gift for some people”.
Well, infact, if you believe that you have to have a special gift, then think again. All your required to have is a lot of expirience, get hypnotised your self (for expirience, this isnt actually required but it helps)and you need a imagination to hypnotise. better to go to hospital to check your health.


I dont agree with this really... The only dangers of hypnotism is that it being misunderstood by others... It is not a magical power. Sure, it shouldn't be done by someone with no experience, but then again, you could say the same about anything.
erlendhg
ocalhoun wrote:
Arty wrote:
Self hypnosis never worked for me. The audio recordings just fail to get me relaxed enough.

Don't need any silly audio recordings.

Just repeat the pattern of: inhale while tensing up one muscle, and telling yourself that you are hypnotizing yourself. Then, exhale while releasing tension on that one muscle, and visualizing the tension and stress flowing away from you like water. Repeat until you run out of different muscles to tense up and relax (takes a long time: the more thorough you are, the better it will work). I found it worked best if I saved the eye muscles for last. When you're done with that, tell yourself 'I am hypnotized now. When I did that, I felt kind of a floating sensation, and though my eyes were closed, the blackness of the eyelids became sort of 'staticy'. At that point, you'll be able to tell yourself anything you want, and your ability to determine if that is true or not will be severely impaired: you'll believe anything you hear. Don't do it with others present! Be sure that one of the things you tell yourself is that next time you try, it will be easier and more effective. Make statements as simple as possible (for better retention) and repeat them several times (to reinforce them). When done, be sure to tell yourself 'I will stop being hypnotized and open my eyes now', or you run the risk of staying in that impressionable state for too long.

The first few times, it takes a long time to get to that state, and it isn't very effective when you do. However, each time you try, it gets quicker and easier, and more effective.

The fifth time I did it, I did a test. I told myself that I could not open my eyes until I counted to 10. Then, I stopped and tried to open my eyes. I couldn't! It was like they were glued shut. After a brief moment of panic (being blinded is scary), I counted to 10, and was able to open my eyes again.
What you tell yourself under self-hypnosis overrides conscious will!


Wow, that sounds really interesting.
What benefits do you feel you get from such self-hypnosis?
ocalhoun
medesignz wrote:

I dont agree with this really... The only dangers of hypnotism is that it being misunderstood by others... It is not a magical power. Sure, it shouldn't be done by someone with no experience, but then again, you could say the same about anything.

The only real danger is that when you are in the 'suggestible' state, you'll believe anything you hear... Which can be bad for you if you hear the wrong things. The simple precautions of only doing it while alone and planning what to tell yourself ahead of time can prevent anything unfortunate.

(Like when I made it so I couldn't open my eyes until I counted to 10... It's a good thing I added in the counting part, or I would have had to self-hypnotize again, possibly several times, before being able to open my eyes again.)
erlendhg wrote:

Wow, that sounds really interesting.
What benefits do you feel you get from such self-hypnosis?

I've used it to control my body more thoroughly... to make sure it 'knows' that it isn't the master in this situation.
I've also used it in conjunction with intense diet and exercise to greatly improve fitness in only a week.
I've used it to experiment with a few metaphysical-type things 'positive thinking' and such things... while those things normally rely on endless repetition to force an idea into the mind, I can use self-hypnosis as a shortcut.
I've used it against pain, making my brain interpret pain as just another sensation... a slightly pleasurable one... very useful.
I've also used it simply recreationally. The end state of it, though it can only be maintained for a few minutes is kind of nice... comparable to a drug-high, I suppose. Sometimes, instead of busily pushing suggestions into my head during it, I'll just stay quiet and enjoy the hazy, detached feeling.
missdixy
My old therapist wanted to try with me once but I was too afraid. Sad
tchaunt
Self hypnosis is definitely something I want to try soon. I don't really know why, but I can't stand the thought of being hypnotized by anyone else. It's probably because of all the propaganda you hear about hypnotism.
goutha
I'm not sure that I'll like to be hypnothized or even to hypnothize others. I'm leaving all this to Chris Angels and his fake shows.
medesignz
goutha wrote:
I'm not sure that I'll like to be hypnothized or even to hypnothize others. I'm leaving all this to Chris Angels and his fake shows.


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speeDemon
hmm.. I remeber reading the same thing ocalhoun wrote here... I guess you've wrote it before too..
ocalhoun
speeDemon wrote:
hmm.. I remeber reading the same thing ocalhoun wrote here... I guess you've wrote it before too..

I have mentioned it before... that was a while ago though... good remembering there!
chatrack
Hypnotism or mesmarism requires long days self training, practice in daily life, before tring on others.
goutha
chatrack wrote:
Hypnotism or mesmarism requires long days self training, practice in daily life, before tring on others.


There's some videos on the net that will help you in your trainings. Good luck!
MechatheSlag
I really think it's a spoof just like any other magical trick.
ocalhoun
MechatheSlag wrote:
I really think it's a spoof just like any other magical trick.

It is often faked, but there is also a real version, though it doesn't have the kind of 'power' most fakers attribute to it.
medesignz
Anything on the internet should only be used as a starting point, and then move into further research...

Wikipedia is a prime example
hamza1122
woah...that's a bit freaky but hektik. i swear that would be heaps madd if i can hypnotise people Very Happy
deanhills
chatrack wrote:
Hypnotism or mesmarism requires long days self training, practice in daily life, before tring on others.
Some people have a natural knack for it. Others need to focus and train. Like everything in life. I can't imagine anybody ever hypnotising me. If I can't get relaxed enough to get intoxicated, I doubt anybody, including myself, could relax me enough to hypnotize me. The closest I could get to relaxation is by listening to music, driving long distances, walking and diving.
apple
Have always been interested in this but was never brave enough to try Rolling Eyes
medesignz
apple wrote:
Have always been interested in this but was never brave enough to try Rolling Eyes


Do you not think you would benefit from self help hypnosis?
jabce85
I've never tried it before... hypnotism in general that is. The way you described does sound like it would work though. I dunno, I guess someone will just have to try it.
chatrack
It is dealing with subconsious mind.
paul_indo
Here in Indonesia hypnotism is often used for crime.

I find it hard to believe but it is definitely true that some people must be very easy to hypnotise.
The scenario is like this. The criminal taps someone on the shoulder and when they turn round they are somehow hypnotised and then they withdraw money from there ATM account and give it to the criminal.

I know this is hard to believe but it has been reported many times since I came to Indonesia 10 years ago.

Check out these stories

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2002/01/16/vendors-deceived-under-hypnotism.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2001/09/13/police-arrests-hypnotist.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/1999/12/20/hypnotic-crime-targets-women.html
carlospro7
I've never experience hypnotism. I've only seen it on TV. I think it would be really interesting to see it done to someone I know some day and then have it done to me. I read some of the suggestions. I'll keep those in mind.
ninjakannon
apple wrote:
Have always been interested in this but was never brave enough to try Rolling Eyes

What is there to be afraid of? It's actually quite fun, I find.

I have used self-hypnosis for a number of things, including increasing confidence for jumping from high places and performing some somersaults, as well as for sending me to sleep and waking me up. Although, I haven't done it for a while, it used to come quite quickly - I could be very sleepy in a few minutes.

I have also been hypnotised by friends, just for the fun of it; similar to ocalhoun's closed eyelids experience, I have had my arms frozen so I couldn't move them.
chasbeen
OC wrote
Quote:
The fifth time I did it, I did a test. I told myself that I could not open my eyes until I counted to 10. Then, I stopped and tried to open my eyes. I couldn't! It was like they were glued shut. After a brief moment of panic (being blinded is scary), I counted to 10, and was able to open my eyes again.
What you tell yourself under self-hypnosis overrides conscious will!

I have this week visited a hypnotherapist and she was the kindest lady I ever met.
On our session I was very nervous (I need to recover memory).
She phoned me up 2 days later and has referred me to someone else.
This is very honest because she could see she did not have the right experience (She normally deals with weight loss and stop smoking people.)
However (To get to the point) I am taking the precaution of recording these sessions whilst they occur.
Otherwise I feel wide open
deanhills
chasbeen wrote:
Otherwise I feel wide open
I would feel exactly the same. Especially after all the movies we have seen. Probably a good idea to check the credentials of the person you will be seeing and ask for references, even though that would feel a little embarassing. If you go with lack of trust, this person may have to refer you to somewhere else again so you have to at least have a little confidence through recommendation by someone else you know. Since I am totally distrusting of human nature, I doubt I could every be hypnotized.
chasbeen
deanhills

These men and women are professionally qualified and carry with them degree qualifications and recognised trade training.
In Canada you almost need a degree to be a police man.

What i'm also saying is that of course they risk losing these credentials if they are found to "malpractice"

Sorry guys I think this is within topic. We are talking being hypnotised is it possible by yourself and also would you let someone else do it.

In the interest of continuing this thread the original post was:

Quote:
Do you not think you would benefit from self help hypnosis


I personally need to recover memory after an accident. I have since been referred by the hypnotherapist I saw first to another more specialised hypnotherapist.
supernova1987a
paul_indo wrote:
Here in Indonesia hypnotism is often used for crime.

I find it hard to believe but it is definitely true that some people must be very easy to hypnotise.
The scenario is like this. The criminal taps someone on the shoulder and when they turn round they are somehow hypnotised and then they withdraw money from there ATM account and give it to the criminal.

I know this is hard to believe but it has been reported many times since I came to Indonesia 10 years ago.

Check out these stories

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2002/01/16/vendors-deceived-under-hypnotism.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2001/09/13/police-arrests-hypnotist.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/1999/12/20/hypnotic-crime-targets-women.html


This is weird. Who are they? Are they aliens? Or do they belong to some strange cult? Or are they modern day medical scientists testing hypnosis or just some criminals who found about hypnosis and using it to gather money?

This is getting strange now. I never believed such thing would exist. Its like right out of a science fiction movie.
ninjakannon
supernova1987a wrote:
This is weird. Who are they? Are they aliens? Or do they belong to some strange cult? Or are they modern day medical scientists testing hypnosis or just some criminals who found about hypnosis and using it to gather money?

This is getting strange now. I never believed such thing would exist. Its like right out of a science fiction movie.


What?! Where did you get those crazy ideas from? They are, as you finally suggested, criminals who use hypnosis to steal money. I'm actually surprised I haven't heard about this before, it sounds like a 'good' way of stealing, so to speak.
jabce85
Has anyone ever been hypnotized in order to do the past life regression thing? Is it total bull?
speeDemon
jabce85 wrote:
Has anyone ever been hypnotized in order to do the past life regression thing? Is it total bull?


Ha ha, funny to hear that, because recently a tv show started in india, where people go to find the reasons for their fears, in their past life...

They show that the people are hypnotised, and then the 'host' asks them stuff and they answer in a quite funny manner, or maybe its jst my bad judgement... because I find it false, and as you said bll.. Razz
guissmo
Is self-hypnosis permanent? Like I can jump from high places without fear when hypnotized or is it a one-time thing?
ocalhoun
guissmo wrote:
Is self-hypnosis permanent? Like I can jump from high places without fear when hypnotized or is it a one-time thing?

It is permanent, in that it doesn't wear off.
But, it can be overcome, especially in cases like you mention, where fear or habit dictate differently than what you've hypnotized yourself to do.

As you get more practice, the self-hypnosis becomes more powerful. At first, you won't be able to accomplish much with it, but over time, you can get better at it, and it will become more useful.
ninjakannon
guissmo wrote:
Is self-hypnosis permanent? Like I can jump from high places without fear when hypnotized or is it a one-time thing?

ocalhoun is completely correct.

As someone who has self-hypnotised myself for exactly the end you describe, I can say be careful. I'm pretty sure I'd jump off anything I knew I could land, but I don't know how high I can jump from and safely land, so I could misjudge and hurt myself.
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