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Obama's Unemployment Numbers Keep Going Up

 


jmi256
The latest unemployment numbers came out today. For yet another month, the US continues to lose jobs as Obama spends more and more of taxpayer money on pet projects and racks up more and more debt that we will need to pay eventually in the form of even higher taxes and fees. And it looks like the numbers will only get worse.

As the chart below shows, unemployment numbers have been increasing since Obama was elected. Businesses know that he and his fellow Democrats are anti-business and pro-high-taxes, and businesses have been unwilling to hire people because they know they won’t be able to sustain a healthy workforce as they are subjected to higher taxes and increased employee costs. The government-run healthcare scheme that Obama and the Democrats are trying to force on us will only exacerbate the problem. Economists and Republicans have been trying to get Obama to institute some commonsense policies, but he has been unwilling to listen to them. If he would cut taxes, businesses and individuals would have more money to spend. This would not add to the government bureaucracy, but it would lead to even more economic activity, which would lead to new hires. It’s really not that hard to figure out, but one result of this would be that in the short-term he wouldn’t be able to pursue all of his pet projects (at least not without digging us deeper in debt, which he seems more than willing to do). Hopefully Obama will heed what the American public has told him via the November 09 elections. We have clearly sent a signal that we are fed up with his current course of action and want to return to a more clearheaded approach.




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Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83
Unemployment rate tops 10 percent for first time since 1983; 190,000 jobs lost in October



WASHINGTON (AP) -- The unemployment rate has hit double digits for the first time since 1983 -- and is likely to go higher.

The 10.2 percent jobless rate for October shows how weak the economy remains even though it is growing. Rising unemployment also could threaten the recovery if it saps consumers' confidence and makes them more cautious about spending as the holiday season approaches.

Nearly 16 million people can't find jobs even though the worst recession since the Great Depression has apparently ended.

The unemployed rate jumped to 10.2 percent, the highest since April 1983, from 9.8 percent in September, the Labor Department said Friday. The economy shed a net total of 190,000 jobs, more than economists had expected.

The number of unemployed hit 15.7 million, up from 15.1 million. The job losses occurred across most industries, from manufacturing and construction to retail and financial. The job-loss total is based on a survey of businesses, separate from a survey of households that produces the unemployment rate.

Economists say the unemployment rate could reach 10.5 percent next year because employers remain reluctant to hire.

President Barack Obama called the new jobs report another illustration of why much more work is needed to spur business creation and consumer spending. Noting legislation he's signing to provide additional unemployment benefits for laid-off workers, Obama said, "I will not rest until all Americans who want work can find work."

Still, counting those who have settled for part-time jobs or stopped looking for work, the unemployment rate would be 17.5 percent, the highest on records dating from 1994.

"It's not a good report," said Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist for New York-based investment firm Miller Tabak & Co. "What we're seeing is a validation of the idea that a jobless recovery is perfectly on track."

Friday's report is the first since the government said last week that the economy grew at a 3.5 percent annual rate in the July-September quarter, the strongest signal yet that the economy is rebounding. But that isn't fast enough to spur rapid hiring.

"You need explosive growth to take the unemployment rate down," Greenhaus said in an interview Thursday.

The economy soared by nearly 8 percent in 1983 after a steep recession, Greenhaus said, lowering the jobless rate by 2.5 percentage points that year. But the economy is unlikely to improve that fast this time, as consumers remain cautious and tight credit hinders businesses. In fact, many analysts expect economic growth to moderate early next year, as the impact of various government stimulus programs aimed at home and car buying fade.

The stock market seesawed in midday trading. The Dow Jones industrial average added about 3 points, while broader indexes were mixed.

High unemployment is likely to become a political liability for Obama and Democrats in Congress. Most economists expect the jobless rate will remain above 9 percent through next November, when congressional elections are held. When unemployment topped 10 percent in the fall of 1982, President Ronald Reagan's Republican Party lost 26 seats in the House.

Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill traded blame over the unemployment figures.

Rep. Barney Frank, the Massachusetts Democrat who chairs the House Financial Services Committee, said the economy would have been much worse had congressional Democrats not approved Obama's $787 billion stimulus package in February.

Republicans countered that Obama's focus on increased spending was making things worse.

"More debt, more spending ... clearly has not worked -- particularly in a time of double-digit unemployment," said Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.


One sign of how hard it still is to find a job: The number of Americans who have been out of work for six months or longer rose to 5.6 million, a record. They account for 35.6 percent of the unemployed population, matching a record set last month.

Congress sought to address the impact of long-term unemployment this week by approving legislation extending jobless benefits for the fourth time since the recession began. The bill would add 14 to 20 extra weeks of aid and is intended to prevent almost 2 million recipients from running out of unemployment insurance during the upcoming holiday season.

October was the 22nd straight month the U.S. economy has shed jobs, the longest on records dating back 70 years. The report showed job losses remain widespread across many industries. Manufacturers eliminated a net total of 61,000 jobs, the most in four months. Construction shed 62,000 jobs, down slightly from the previous month.

Retailers, the financial sector and leisure and hospitality companies all continued to reduce payrolls. The economy has lost a net total of 7.3 million jobs since the recession began in December 2007.

The average work week was unchanged at 33 hours, a disappointment because employers are expected to add more hours for current workers before they begin hiring new ones.

There were some bright spots in the report. Education and health care added 45,000 jobs. That's a good sign for Dahaina Collazo, a 34-year-old mother of three who enrolled in a medical assistantship program last summer. She lost her job in March at a Milwaukee printing shop after six years.

Now, Collazo is collecting unemployment and hoping a job in health care will be available by the time she's out of school in a year.

"I think that's the main thing now," Collazo said of health care. "I think that's the open window."

Professional and business services companies also added 18,000 jobs, according to the government report. And temporary employment grew by 33,700 jobs, after losing positions for months. That's a positive sign because employers are likely to add temporary workers before hiring permanent ones.

"That is always in our business a precursor to more permanent jobs becoming available," said Tony McKinnon, president of Management Recruiters International, an executive recruiting firm.

Still, economists expect jobs likely will remain scarce even as the economy improves. Diane Swonk, chief economist at Mesirow Financial, said that small businesses, a primary engine of job creation, still face tight credit and don't have the cash reserves to support extra workers.

And many companies are squeezing more production from their existing work forces. Productivity, the amount of output per hour worked, jumped 9.5 percent in the third quarter, the Labor Department said Thursday.

That's the sharpest increase in six years and followed a 6.9 percent rise in the second quarter. The increases enable companies to produce more without hiring extra people.

While the unemployment rate hasn't yet topped the post-World War II high of 10.8 percent set in December 1982, many experts say this recession is worse.

The work force, on average, is older now as the baby boomers have aged and fewer teenagers are out looking for work. Gary Burtless, an economist at the Brookings Institution, notes that older workers are more likely to be employed than younger ones. As a result, it takes a tougher job market to push the rate to 10 percent.

"This may be the toughest employment situation we've seen in the postwar era," Mark Gertler, an economics professor at New York University, said in an interview earlier this week.

Source = http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobless-rate-tops-10-pct-for-apf-563122944.html?x=0&.v=8
liljp617
Unemployment always lags behind the real time economy.
deanhills
liljp617 wrote:
Unemployment always lags behind the real time economy.
Good point. Although we are having an extreme situation here with what had happened at the end of last year and during this year of very large companies having gone bust and millions of people being layed off. The bail-out package was supposed to remedy it "immediately", yet none of that is in evidence. Obviously companies aren't hiring and perhaps there should have been some stipulation written into the bail-out packages that "X" number of people need to be re-hired when loans are given to either the Big Banks for bailing them out, or from the Big Banks to businesses as loans to bail them out of bad times. I sometimes wonder whether a large number of businesses and organizations used this opportunity (i.e. bad times) to get rid of staff anyway to show larger profits.
shkhanal
Does it mean that US has reached to the highest peak and now it is its turn to come down?
ocalhoun
shkhanal wrote:
Does it mean that US has reached to the highest peak and now it is its turn to come down?

No, during the great depression, unemployment was much higher... 30%, I think, rather than today's 10%.

There's plenty of room left to fall; what will happen when the US can no longer get people to buy it's debt?
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
There's plenty of room left to fall; what will happen when the US can no longer get people to buy it's debt?
Is it possible though? I've asked this question before somewhere and never received an answer. At what point would the US become bankrupt, if ever?
lagoon
America has left recession, yet remains in high unemployment. Why is this? Because you're not actually out of recession! The numbers have been fiddled by cash-for-clunkers!
Voodoocat
I agree with Lagoon- I don't think that the recession is actuall over; instead, I believe that the increase in GDP was due to the vast influx of borrowed money that the Government poured into the economy. While this might lead to short term increase in the GDP, it cannot be sustained. Additionally, we have not even began to pay off the interest on the borrowed money!

According the the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the increase in the GDP was due to:

1. Increased consumer spending, especially on cars and trucks. Of course, this increase was not only temporary, but cost the taxpayers two billion dollars.

2. Housing has finally increased. Why? Tax breaks! This shows that the Republican idea that tax breaks have a positive effect on the economy is correct.

3. Increased business inventories and GOVERNMENT SPENDING! Why the caps? Governments do not create wealth, they either confiscate it through taxation, or they borrow it. The third leg of GDP growth was based on borrowed money. The downside, we have to pay the money back plus interest.

Source: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/2009/pdf/gdp3q09_adv_fax.pdf
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
There's plenty of room left to fall; what will happen when the US can no longer get people to buy it's debt?
Is it possible though? I've asked this question before somewhere and never received an answer. At what point would the US become bankrupt, if ever?

1: China and Japan stop buying US debt, because they begin to doubt that it will ever be repaid.
2: Interest rates rise sharply.
3: Taxes rise sharply, to pay for government programs that can no longer be financed by debt.
4: Corporations move away from the country, to escape the high taxes and interest rates; jobs are therefore lost.
5: Loosing those corporations and jobs causes the government's financial situation to worsen, so they have to raise taxes again: repeat back from step #3 until complete economic collapse happens.
airh3ad
Well its good to know Economies never completely break down, even in war time people work and buy and sell, for example in Iraq now. The worst it has gotten in the US was 1933 when there was 25% unemployment, but 75% of the people still had jobs, and almost everybody had someone, extended family or friends, that would help them if they were part of the 25%. No one expects things to get that bad now. The estimates is that the unemployment rate will get no higher than 8%. but there is about 4 or 5 percent in a good economy because people are always changing jobs. However people worry about losing their jobs because new ones are hard to get, and young people entering the work force have problems finding work.
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
There's plenty of room left to fall; what will happen when the US can no longer get people to buy it's debt?
Is it possible though? I've asked this question before somewhere and never received an answer. At what point would the US become bankrupt, if ever?

1: China and Japan stop buying US debt, because they begin to doubt that it will ever be repaid.
2: Interest rates rise sharply.
3: Taxes rise sharply, to pay for government programs that can no longer be financed by debt.
4: Corporations move away from the country, to escape the high taxes and interest rates; jobs are therefore lost.
5: Loosing those corporations and jobs causes the government's financial situation to worsen, so they have to raise taxes again: repeat back from step #3 until complete economic collapse happens.
I have not seen "1" (may have missed out on articles about this), but all your other points from 2-5 are really very valid. They are presently happening on a national level as well in California for example, corporations are registering themselves in other States outside California to escape high taxes. Next thing probably as you have pointed out, would be registering corporations overseas, such as Dubai for example. Losing those corporations in California has California bankrupt right now, but still it seems to be rolling forwards, regardless. How can California continue to do business when it is obviously completely bankrupt, is it being bailed out by the Federal Government?
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:
I have not seen "1" (may have missed out on articles about this)

That's because it hasn't happened yet. When and if it does, be sure to quickly cash in any asset with a $ sign in front of it in favor of something with practical value, because it'll only be downhill from there.
liljp617
ocalhoun wrote:
deanhills wrote:
I have not seen "1" (may have missed out on articles about this)

That's because it hasn't happened yet. When and if it does, be sure to quickly cash in any asset with a $ sign in front of it in favor of something with practical value, because it'll only be downhill from there.


I could be wrong as I haven't looked to much into it, but I think China recently slowed or cut back on some of their purchasing of US debts. Japan increased their purchasing.

deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
There's plenty of room left to fall; what will happen when the US can no longer get people to buy it's debt?
Is it possible though? I've asked this question before somewhere and never received an answer. At what point would the US become bankrupt, if ever?

1: China and Japan stop buying US debt, because they begin to doubt that it will ever be repaid.
2: Interest rates rise sharply.
3: Taxes rise sharply, to pay for government programs that can no longer be financed by debt.
4: Corporations move away from the country, to escape the high taxes and interest rates; jobs are therefore lost.
5: Loosing those corporations and jobs causes the government's financial situation to worsen, so they have to raise taxes again: repeat back from step #3 until complete economic collapse happens.
I have not seen "1" (may have missed out on articles about this), but all your other points from 2-5 are really very valid. They are presently happening on a national level as well in California for example, corporations are registering themselves in other States outside California to escape high taxes. Next thing probably as you have pointed out, would be registering corporations overseas, such as Dubai for example. Losing those corporations in California has California bankrupt right now, but still it seems to be rolling forwards, regardless. How can California continue to do business when it is obviously completely bankrupt, is it being bailed out by the Federal Government?


Corporate taxes should be gotten rid of. They're such a minuscule part of government income relatively speaking and they make zero sense.
ocalhoun
liljp617 wrote:

Corporate taxes should be gotten rid of. They're such a minuscule part of government income relatively speaking and they make zero sense.

Well, they are relatively small, but still make up a significant portion:


As for my own view on the subject, well, there's already a whole forum thread on that.
handfleisch
One last stab:

Do you understand how the title of this thread self-discrediting? The financial crisis, Wall Street meltdown, bank collapses and international economic downturn had many causes going back decades, through both Republican and Democratic administrations.

Bonus question: Under what president did the USA go from the biggest creditor nation in the world to the biggest debtor nation? Hint: Republican hero.
ocalhoun
handfleisch wrote:

Do you understand how the title of this thread self-discrediting? The financial crisis, Wall Street meltdown, bank collapses and international economic downturn had many causes going back decades, through both Republican and Democratic administrations.

Shocked
handfleisch admitted that both parties caused the crisis!?! Not just the evil republicans?
I'm shocked and impressed, and my opinion of you just raised considerably.
deanhills
handfleisch wrote:
One last stab:

Do you understand how the title of this thread self-discrediting? The financial crisis, Wall Street meltdown, bank collapses and international economic downturn had many causes going back decades, through both Republican and Democratic administrations.

Bonus question: Under what president did the USA go from the biggest creditor nation in the world to the biggest debtor nation? Hint: Republican hero.
Add another question. Under which President did the USA legislate the largest bail-out package every imaginable, taking the USA from billions to trillions in debt?

And if that is not enough, it is also going to add another trillion plus for a healthcare package, being marketed almost immediately after the approval of 1.2-trillion bail-out money? Handfleisch, we're going for a record breaker here! And this President has been barely in his seat for 11 months. Shocked

Who are really to blame however? Irresponsible Government or Presidents, or people who support and approve Government to the equivalent of a virtual BLANK cheque?
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