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truespeed
Jimmy Carr (A UK comedian) was widely criticized this week for a joke about the British forces in Afghanistan. (Mainly by the tabloid media).


The offending joke.

Quote:
"Say what you like about servicemen amputees from Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're going to have a f***ing good paralympic team in 2012."


Source

Did he go to far? Can humour go to far? Should there be limits?
catscratches
I don't think humour can go too far (without physically harming any other person). We need to be able to joke about everything.

If we can't even tolerate offensive statements conflicting with our views when they're just jokes, how are we ever going to be able to tolerate them in a serious debate?
ocalhoun
truespeed wrote:

[1] Did he go to far?
[2] Can humour go to far?
[3] Should there be limits?

1- That depends on how easily offended the listeners are.
2- Of course. You know you've gone too far when the audience stops laughing.
3- No. Free speech overrides people getting offended.
liljp617
I personally would never voluntarily hang around a person who makes a comment like that. I don't think there should be any limit, but I think it says quite a bit about a person if they use a veteran's injuries in war to push their "comedic" career -- and I don't have any desire to be around those types of people.
ocalhoun
liljp617 wrote:
use a veteran's injuries in war to push their "comedic" career -- and I don't have any desire to be around those types of people.

^.^ You should hear some of the jokes from the veterans themselves. This comedian's got nothing on them!
liljp617
ocalhoun wrote:
liljp617 wrote:
use a veteran's injuries in war to push their "comedic" career -- and I don't have any desire to be around those types of people.

^.^ You should hear some of the jokes from the veterans themselves. This comedian's got nothing on them!


In a lot of cases, I would think that's more of a psychological "coping mechanism" for them. A way to still live a somewhat normal life and not allow their appearance or "disability" to have society treat them differently. I see what you're saying, I just don't think it's the same.
Bluedoll
truespeed wrote:
Can humour go to far? Should there be limits?


A joke is not a joke when it is not funny or not a very good one.
I will pay $zero for that joke.
deanhills
truespeed wrote:
Jimmy Carr (A UK comedian) was widely criticized this week for a joke about the British forces in Afghanistan. (Mainly by the tabloid media).


The offending joke.

Quote:
"Say what you like about servicemen amputees from Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're going to have a f***ing good paralympic team in 2012."


Source

Did he go to far? Can humour go to far? Should there be limits?
I'm almost certain that those who are the most offended would be non-amputees more than those who are the subject of the joke. Some amputees would even welcome this kind of humour. Depends on their particular sense of humour of course as well.
Bikerman
Well,
the best people to ask would be the squaddies themselves:
http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=136267.html
Seems to me that whilst some of them thought it was tasteless, he has pretty strong support from many others.....
Indi
Why am i not surprised Jimmy Carr is involved in one of these scandals. ^_^; My favourite Jimmy Carr joke: "My girlfriend thought it would increase our trust and intimacy if we told each other about all of the sexual partners we had ever had. So i had to list my entire sexual history for my girlfriend, all the way from the girl i lost my virginity to, right up to her. And that is where i should have stopped."

But if you want an joke similar to the one that started the controversy: "This is a frightening fact i discovered recently. Apparently, if you took all of the money that we in the West spend on groceries in just one week, you could feed the Third World for a whole year. i don't know about you... but i think we're being seriously overcharged for groceries."

That's Carr's style. He likes to point out a horrible fact about modern society, then play the role of a completely self-absorbed idiot to break the shock with sheer absurdity. Observe:

<horrible fact>"British scientists have proven that cigarettes can harm your children." <idiot's comment> "Fair enough; use an ashtray."

<horrible fact>"i saw on one of those ads on the telly asking for charity donations, that a little girl in Africa had to walk 15 miles a day just to fetch water." <idiot's comment> "And i couldn't help but think: she should really move closer."

<horrible fact>"There are 1 million obese children in Britain today. Do you realize what that means? If they all jumped up and down at the same time..." <idiot's comment> "they might lose a little bit of weight."

It is social commentary, although it may not seem so at first glance. Carr is playing a role, the Devil's advocate. He points out a flaw in society, then hammers it home with absurdity. The absurdity shocks you into laughing (usually) with it's extreme cluelessness and wickedness. But when the laughter passes... quick: what do you know about how much we eat compared to Third World countries? You see? Some of it sticks.

In this joke's case, whether you laugh or not, consider this... did any of you think about wartime amputees from the current wars before you read this thread?

Comedy can be a powerful way to raise awareness of social injustices. And it doesn't have to be nice to do it. In fact, it's at its most effective when it's fearless.
HalfBloodPrince
Did he go too far? Yes, I think so. Can humor go too far? Yes, when it directly aims to hurt people with no power over their condition. Should there be limits? No, you can say (almost) whatever you want under freedom of speech.

If you walk into a school for autistic children and start calling them f***ing retards, that makes you a despicable person, but no one can put a limit on what you say. Whereas if you say "I'm going to assassinate the president at 2:30 PM tomorrow afternoon", that can get you into some shit.
truespeed
Another one of Jimmys jokes.

Quote:
"They say there is safety in numbers. Tell that to 6 million Jews"
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