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gurram533
Hello Guys,

This is Srikanth, Today I will tell you one bad news , In india two trains was crashed , when they directly hit and met an accident.
Who is respoinsible for that ???

Goverment ???
Railway Board ??

Officers ??
People ???


What ever the reason, We didn't return the loss, Atleast pay attension for next.


We need to still improve in all aspects....
Come on India......Bye.
deanhills
Definitely another sad event, and sorry to hear about this. The bridge that collapsed on the train had been under construction.
Quote:
The bridge, which was under construction, collapsed and pulled down a parallel water pipeline on the locomotive and a passenger carriage on the Mumbai-bound train

Although India has a poor safety record for trains, wonder how they are going to apportion blame in this case. Will definitely be an interesting court case.
ocalhoun
gurram533 wrote:

Who is respoinsible for that ???

1: The traffic controller in charge of directing trains to the proper tracks (or the train operator who disobeyed the controller, whichever the case may be).
2: The supervisor of that person.
3: The inspectors who's job it is to make sure supervisors and employees are handling their responsibilities ... well... responsibly.

(or it could be the authorities' fault if they have not ensured that #2 and #3 exist)
tchaunt
Dang...it sucks hearing of another tragedy like this. It doesn't who "should be blamed". What matters is that it happened, and it shouldn't have.
ocalhoun
tchaunt wrote:
Dang...it sucks hearing of another tragedy like this. It doesn't who "should be blamed". What matters is that it happened, and it shouldn't have.

Finding out 'who should be blamed' can help greatly in preventing it from happening again.
(Which is the reasoning behind the American FAA's investigative practices.)
Ophois
Seems like India just can't catch a break. I am really sorry to hear about this. It's a shame that such a rapidly developing country, so full of great things and people, keeps getting nailed with tragedy.
ocalhoun wrote:
Finding out 'who should be blamed' can help greatly in preventing it from happening again.
(Which is the reasoning behind the American FAA's investigative practices.)
Infrastructure is a key component here. I do realize that human error was most likely the direct cause(last I checked, a little over 80% of railway accidents in India are caused by human error), but their rail systems run across many bridges which are very old and in serious need of repair.

Hopefully, India will be able to get these issues resolved sometime soon. Until then, I feel for their losses, and wish them the best.
Vladalf
Their infrastructure really needs improving, I agree with that. I mean, look at this picture.

Even tough most of those people need to travel like that, to get at their job or whatever, these kind of things are really dangerous!
~Vlad
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
gurram533 wrote:

Who is respoinsible for that ???

1: The traffic controller in charge of directing trains to the proper tracks (or the train operator who disobeyed the controller, whichever the case may be).
2: The supervisor of that person.
3: The inspectors who's job it is to make sure supervisors and employees are handling their responsibilities ... well... responsibly.

(or it could be the authorities' fault if they have not ensured that #2 and #3 exist)

Could be the contractor's fault who was building the bridge that collapsed? If they can prove it was the bridge that did it. It could also have been the water pipeline that hit the train directly. My money would be on the contractor who was in the process of building the bridge. I can't see how the traffic controller or the supervisor and inspectors could have prevented this accident unless the contractor had given clear instructions that it was unsafe to travel.
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
gurram533 wrote:

Who is respoinsible for that ???

1: The traffic controller in charge of directing trains to the proper tracks (or the train operator who disobeyed the controller, whichever the case may be).
2: The supervisor of that person.
3: The inspectors who's job it is to make sure supervisors and employees are handling their responsibilities ... well... responsibly.

(or it could be the authorities' fault if they have not ensured that #2 and #3 exist)

Could be the contractor's fault who was building the bridge that collapsed? If they can prove it was the bridge that did it. It could also have been the water pipeline that hit the train directly. My money would be on the contractor who was in the process of building the bridge. I can't see how the traffic controller or the supervisor and inspectors could have prevented this accident unless the contractor had given clear instructions that it was unsafe to travel.

In any case, finding out who or what is responsible is imperative in making it less likely to happen again.
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
gurram533 wrote:

Who is respoinsible for that ???

1: The traffic controller in charge of directing trains to the proper tracks (or the train operator who disobeyed the controller, whichever the case may be).
2: The supervisor of that person.
3: The inspectors who's job it is to make sure supervisors and employees are handling their responsibilities ... well... responsibly.

(or it could be the authorities' fault if they have not ensured that #2 and #3 exist)

Could be the contractor's fault who was building the bridge that collapsed? If they can prove it was the bridge that did it. It could also have been the water pipeline that hit the train directly. My money would be on the contractor who was in the process of building the bridge. I can't see how the traffic controller or the supervisor and inspectors could have prevented this accident unless the contractor had given clear instructions that it was unsafe to travel.

In any case, finding out who or what is responsible is imperative in making it less likely to happen again.
Now that would bean interesting phenomenon in India, given lack of attention to public safety, especially with regard to public transport. Like a miracle of sorts!
Ophois
deanhills wrote:
Now that would bean interesting phenomenon in India, given lack of attention to public safety, especially with regard to public transport. Like a miracle of sorts!
It's funny in a way. I have been in some very dangerous places in the world, where the possibility of death loomed not too far overhead. But I never felt more at danger than trying to drive in Goa. And that's one of the relatively more westernized places in India. Never again, I tell you. Next time I go there, I will walk.
deanhills
Ophois wrote:
deanhills wrote:
Now that would bean interesting phenomenon in India, given lack of attention to public safety, especially with regard to public transport. Like a miracle of sorts!
It's funny in a way. I have been in some very dangerous places in the world, where the possibility of death loomed not too far overhead. But I never felt more at danger than trying to drive in Goa. And that's one of the relatively more westernized places in India. Never again, I tell you. Next time I go there, I will walk.
I know exactly what you are saying. Mine was in Sri Lanka, and that is also relatively 'tame" in comparison. Like a nightmare of a kind. Doubt that I will ever drive there, nor want to be driven either.
Ophois
So many places are like that. A few friends of mine back in High School were driving in Mexico, and the mountain roads there can be treacherous. They came around a bend and a bus came flying at them, clipped them, and they went over a cliff, all 3 died. I refuse to drive in a foreign country anymore. Hell, I drive an ambulance at beak-neck speeds on the wrong side of the road sometimes, through red lights, weaving in and out of traffic, with a critically injured person in the back, and still I feel safer than driving in some other countries.
deanhills
Ophois wrote:
So many places are like that. A few friends of mine back in High School were driving in Mexico, and the mountain roads there can be treacherous. They came around a bend and a bus came flying at them, clipped them, and they went over a cliff, all 3 died. I refuse to drive in a foreign country anymore. Hell, I drive an ambulance at beak-neck speeds on the wrong side of the road sometimes, through red lights, weaving in and out of traffic, with a critically injured person in the back, and still I feel safer than driving in some other countries.
Well at least no traffic tickets for driving an ambulance on the wrong side of the road? Twisted Evil Has to be a phenomenal driver to undertake that kind of driving.
Ophois
deanhills wrote:
Well at least no traffic tickets for driving an ambulance on the wrong side of the road? Has to be a phenomenal driver to undertake that kind of driving.
You would be surprised. While it isn't common, there was a story a while back in the news where a State Trooper pulled over an ambulance in Oklahoma while they were en route to the hospital, patient in tow and all. The Trooper claims the ambulance had no lights or sirens on.

It may be true. But, it's not an uncommon thing. When we are on the interstate highway, and there is little or no traffic, we turn the lights and sirens off. There is a reason for this. Whenever possible, we try to make the ride, especially with a critical patient, as non-distracting for the medics as possible. If it's a long road and it's clear, the sirens go off(and in some vehicles, they are tied to the lights, so if one goes off, they both go off). It provides a better environment for the medic in the back to yell instructions to the driver in order to advise the incoming hospital as to the patients status, in order to better care for them. Which is what I suspect this particular crew was doing.

So this Trooper pulls them over, and hashes it out with the ambulance crew, because he claims they gave him the middle finger, which they deny(and which I would certainly have admitted to). He threatens to arrest the medics on the spot, bullying them and badgering them about running with no lights(as if cops never do that), all the while, the patient is in the back, dying. The patients wife, who was riding along, comes out and starts screaming hysterically to please let them get her husband to the hospital(understandably so!).

Just a horrible scene. Sometimes you get people in these professions who have no sense of camaraderie. We are all in the business of saving lives, but some people are so hung up on their own bad attitudes that they miss the point.
So yeah, it's technically legal for us to go against traffic if we need to. But we still need to observe the laws when possible, and sometimes we catch hell just for doing out job, like the medics in this story.

But yeah, I would say I'm a good driver. Taught by the best, my dad. I actually hate driving though, traffic really makes my blood boil.[/list]
deanhills
Ophois wrote:
So this Trooper pulls them over, and hashes it out with the ambulance crew, because he claims they gave him the middle finger, which they deny(and which I would certainly have admitted to). He threatens to arrest the medics on the spot, bullying them and badgering them about running with no lights(as if cops never do that), all the while, the patient is in the back, dying. The patients wife, who was riding along, comes out and starts screaming hysterically to please let them get her husband to the hospital(understandably so!).
You have to be kidding me? It had been on the tip of my tongue to make reference to the other thread about traffic cops, and kaboom, it did happen. Unbelievable!!!!!

Ophois wrote:
I actually hate driving though, traffic really makes my blood boil.[/list]
I don't know what kind of driver I am, but I can relate completely to traffic making blood boil. I love driving in the open roads, but give me traffic and my personality changes completely when I get into it. I guess we're going off topic and need to get back to safety of trains in India.

When I Googled train crashes in India it came up with a multitude of crashes. Seems to be prevalent. For example there had been another crash just before the one we have been discussing, that happened two days before near the Taj Mahal town of Agra:
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=126&art_id=nw20091021131713773C990115
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