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Alaskacameradude
Hmmm.....I wonder if the parents of the kids in this school liked to see this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDDCRe_QzuM

Not sure that elementary school is really the place for this, just my opinion of course.
Ophois
Disgusting.
The teacher and whoever is holding the video camera(slick move, genius!), should be banned from teaching ever again, and NEVER allowed near children.
ocalhoun
I'm sure the Obamessiah is pleased!
liljp617
Do you guys every get tired of making up non-creative nicknames for Obama?
deanhills
Well, I'm pretty sure when those kids turn into rebellious young teens, that it will go the other way. They will rebel against anything that has been pushed down their throats, so possibly not a good method to follow politically.
handfleisch
As usual with anything from FOX network, they are not telling the whole story. It turns out the kids were doing songs about lots of different presidents throughout history, and included one about Obama as part of Black History Month. It turns out FOX has been caught censoring parts of their own report to make the whole thing look as bad as possible, censoring opinions of parents that did not agree with FOX's unfair and biased depiction of the event, and excluding a report of serious death threats against the school principal over the whole thing -- in other words, the kind of hysterical and violent response we are seeing, whipped up by FOX and right wing agitprop like this.

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/fox-news-deleted-mention-of-death-threats-against-principal/

Quote:
The credited author on that URL is "FoxNews.com," although a tag under the text reads, "FOX News' Michael Sorrentino contributed to this report."

But, that's not how it read when we first saw it.

At the very same URL linked above, a prior version told a very different and much longer story. Here's how it began, with emphasis added (cache link | screenshot):
Quote:

Some parents in a New Jersey school district are up in arms after a class of elementary school students was videotaped singing the praises of President Obama, an activity that has been criticized as "indoctrination."

The tension at B. Bernice Young Elementary School escalated to such a degree Thursday that the school was placed temporarily on lockdown after its principal received death threats over a YouTube video that showed nearly 20 children being taught songs lauding the president, though back-to-school night events continuing as planned Thursday night at the school.

Video of the students at the Burlington, N.J., school shows them singing songs seemingly overflowing with campaign slogans and praise for "Barack Hussein Obama," repeatedly chanting the president's name and celebrating his accomplishments, including his "great plans" to "make this country's economy No. 1 again."


Clearly, information about death threats leveled against the school's principal, and the school's "lockdown" response following wide exposure among right-wing media, were removed.
...

The story also appears to be significantly shortened and comments by one of the kids' mothers, who took an opinion contrary to others expressing outrage, were deleted outright. Paragraphs nine through 11 in the first published version read:

Quote:
"But Andrea Ciemnolonski, the parent of another one of the students in the video, said the song was part of a second-grade project on a variety of topics related to the month of February, such as Groundhog Day, Valentine's Day and Presidents Day.

"They did songs about President Washington, Lincoln, and they did do one about President Obama," Ciemnolonski said. "My daughter was in the class that did the songs about Obama. It was black history month. ... It was something for the kids to celebrate."

Ciemnolonski said she "just can't look at it as indoctrination," though she added, "The comparisons made were a little exuberant."

...
Who edited this piece? Why was FoxNews.com writer Cristina Corbin's credit removed? Did the principal really receive death threats, or was that inclusion in the second paragraph erroneous? And perhaps most important, why would an allegedly "fair and balanced" media organization censor highly relevant comments offering a contrasting opinion?
Ophois
Go figure.
Oh well, that's one more reason I don't watch FOX or any other major news agency to get my info.
You just can't trust someone who has an agenda to push.
deanhills
Ophois wrote:
Go figure.
Oh well, that's one more reason I don't watch FOX or any other major news agency to get my info.
You just can't trust someone who has an agenda to push.
Right. My problem too, I don't know what or who to trust media-wise.

Thinking about it however, is it really that bad to do those sing-songs? I can imagine there has to be some children who dote on Obama. They may even ask their teachers if they could sing Obama songs. Is it really that terrible?
Ophois
deanhills wrote:
Thinking about it however, is it really that bad to do those sing-songs? I can imagine there has to be some children who dote on Obama. They may even ask their teachers if they could sing Obama songs. Is it really that terrible?
It's a slippery slope. Sure, little sing-songs like this are harmless. My problem is that it's a sitting President. It makes it seem more political, even if that's not actually the case. It just makes too many waves. Singing pro-Obama songs while he's in office, though harmless, can stir up bad feelings amongst parents.
Moonspider
handfleisch wrote:
As usual with anything from FOX network, they are not telling the whole story. It turns out the kids were doing songs about lots of different presidents throughout history, and included one about Obama as part of Black History Month.


It is grossly inappropriate to write such a song for school children about any president of the United States. I don't care if it's George Washington or George Bush. We sing songs about the United States and America, but not about individual leaders.

handfleisch wrote:
It turns out FOX has been caught censoring parts of their own report to make the whole thing look as bad as possible, censoring opinions of parents that did not agree with FOX's unfair and biased depiction of the event, and excluding a report of serious death threats against the school principal over the whole thing -- in other words, the kind of hysterical and violent response we are seeing, whipped up by FOX and right wing agitprop like this.


I read the story on www.foxnews.com this morning and it included all those items.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/24/elementary-school-students-reportedly-taught-songs-praising-president-obama/?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r1:c0.086718:b27956166:z0

Respectfully,
M
Ophois
Moonspider wrote:
It is grossly inappropriate to write such a song for school children about any president of the United States. I don't care if it's George Washington or George Bush. We sing songs about the United States and America, but not about individual leaders.
I don't agree. Using songs to teach kids is an educational tool as old as education itself, and should never be discouraged. Many schools teach young kids to sing songs about George Washington and Davie Crockett and lots of other historical figures. It helps younger children learn something about a subject that would otherwise be boring. I just think a pro-Obama song was a bad judgment call for a couple of reasons. With all the contention about his school speech, it gives people ammo for the "indoctrination" argument, whether it's true or not. And overall, it just looks bad to have kids praising a sitting President, especially one so controversial.
Moonspider
Ophois wrote:
Moonspider wrote:
It is grossly inappropriate to write such a song for school children about any president of the United States. I don't care if it's George Washington or George Bush. We sing songs about the United States and America, but not about individual leaders.
I don't agree. Using songs to teach kids is an educational tool as old as education itself, and should never be discouraged. Many schools teach young kids to sing songs about George Washington and Davie Crockett and lots of other historical figures. It helps younger children learn something about a subject that would otherwise be boring. I just think a pro-Obama song was a bad judgment call for a couple of reasons. With all the contention about his school speech, it gives people ammo for the "indoctrination" argument, whether it's true or not. And overall, it just looks bad to have kids praising a sitting President, especially one so controversial.


Well, maybe it's just me. I didn't learn any songs about presidents when I was a kid or know of any. As for "Davy Crockett," the only song about him I learned as a kid was the theme song to the T.V. show! Smile

I honestly can't remember any songs from grade school about historical figures. It has been a little while but I don't think I'm going senile yet! Wink

R,
M
Ophois
Moonspider wrote:
Well, maybe it's just me. I didn't learn any songs about presidents when I was a kid or know of any. As for "Davy Crockett," the only song about him I learned as a kid was the theme song to the T.V. show!

I honestly can't remember any songs from grade school about historical figures. It has been a little while but I don't think I'm going senile yet!
I'm all for using songs to teach, as long as it's relevant to the curriculum. I always went to schools for the arts, so music was a big part of how we were taught in grade school. I learned songs about math and history, etc. I'm pretty sure I learned some about the Presidents too. The differences is that I didn't learn songs about their policies. That's where teachers ought to be careful, IMO.
Bikerman
Off the top of my head:
Old King Cole (anon)
Good Queen Bess (Stan Tracey)
Hooray for Mr Lincoln (Jackie Silberg)
George Washington (Andy Glockenspiel)
(PS - OK, I did have to look up the writers, but the songs I knew).
ocalhoun
handfleisch wrote:
It turns out the kids were doing songs about lots of different presidents throughout history, and included one about Obama as part of Black History Month.

^.^ Did they sing a song about Bush too?

Bikerman wrote:
Off the top of my head:
Old King Cole (anon)

That's the only one that sounds familiar to me...

Really, this seems just to be a case of a teacher who got too carried away.
Bikerman
ocalhoun wrote:
Really, this seems just to be a case of a teacher who got too carried away.

We are, in this instance, in complete agreement.
ocalhoun
Bikerman wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
Really, this seems just to be a case of a teacher who got too carried away.

We are, in this instance, in complete agreement.

Are we also in agreement that it is symptomatic of the pro-Obama craze that has apparently taken over many people?
Bikerman
ocalhoun wrote:
Bikerman wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
Really, this seems just to be a case of a teacher who got too carried away.

We are, in this instance, in complete agreement.

Are we also in agreement that it is symptomatic of the pro-Obama craze that has apparently taken over many people?
Possibly, yes. I'm not close enough to judge, but it wouldn't surprise me...
Ophois
ocalhoun wrote:
Are we also in agreement that it is symptomatic of the pro-Obama craze that has apparently taken over many people?
I'd say that's exactly what it is.
handfleisch
It is symptomatic, with the heavily one-sided report and the overreaction, of the anti-Obama hysteria, paranoia and gullibility that has apparently taken over a lot of people.
ocalhoun
handfleisch wrote:
It is symptomatic, with the heavily one-sided report and the overreaction, of the anti-Obama hysteria, paranoia and gullibility that has apparently taken over a lot of people.

By 'it', I presume you mean either this thread or the reporting of the event in question?
handfleisch
handfleisch wrote:
As usual with anything from FOX network, they are not telling the whole story. It turns out the kids were doing songs about lots of different presidents throughout history, and included one about Obama as part of Black History Month. It turns out FOX has been caught censoring parts of their own report to make the whole thing look as bad as possible, censoring opinions of parents that did not agree with FOX's unfair and biased depiction of the event, and excluding a report of serious death threats against the school principal over the whole thing -- in other words, the kind of hysterical and violent response we are seeing, whipped up by FOX and right wing agitprop like this.

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/fox-news-deleted-mention-of-death-threats-against-principal/

Quote:
The credited author on that URL is "FoxNews.com," although a tag under the text reads, "FOX News' Michael Sorrentino contributed to this report."

But, that's not how it read when we first saw it.

At the very same URL linked above, a prior version told a very different and much longer story. Here's how it began, with emphasis added (cache link | screenshot):
Quote:

Some parents in a New Jersey school district are up in arms after a class of elementary school students was videotaped singing the praises of President Obama, an activity that has been criticized as "indoctrination."

The tension at B. Bernice Young Elementary School escalated to such a degree Thursday that the school was placed temporarily on lockdown after its principal received death threats over a YouTube video that showed nearly 20 children being taught songs lauding the president, though back-to-school night events continuing as planned Thursday night at the school.

Video of the students at the Burlington, N.J., school shows them singing songs seemingly overflowing with campaign slogans and praise for "Barack Hussein Obama," repeatedly chanting the president's name and celebrating his accomplishments, including his "great plans" to "make this country's economy No. 1 again."


Clearly, information about death threats leveled against the school's principal, and the school's "lockdown" response following wide exposure among right-wing media, were removed.
...

The story also appears to be significantly shortened and comments by one of the kids' mothers, who took an opinion contrary to others expressing outrage, were deleted outright. Paragraphs nine through 11 in the first published version read:

Quote:
"But Andrea Ciemnolonski, the parent of another one of the students in the video, said the song was part of a second-grade project on a variety of topics related to the month of February, such as Groundhog Day, Valentine's Day and Presidents Day.

"They did songs about President Washington, Lincoln, and they did do one about President Obama," Ciemnolonski said. "My daughter was in the class that did the songs about Obama. It was black history month. ... It was something for the kids to celebrate."

Ciemnolonski said she "just can't look at it as indoctrination," though she added, "The comparisons made were a little exuberant."

...
Who edited this piece? Why was FoxNews.com writer Cristina Corbin's credit removed? Did the principal really receive death threats, or was that inclusion in the second paragraph erroneous? And perhaps most important, why would an allegedly "fair and balanced" media organization censor highly relevant comments offering a contrasting opinion?


Update slash summary. So some kids in one school sang one song about Obama during Black History month six months ago, just as they have sung songs about historic US presidents before and since, and when the parents were notified of the lyrics in advance, which were sent to each home, none reported a problem. And then FOXaganda goes nuts and the gullible take the bait.
deanhills
handfleisch wrote:
when the parents were notified of the lyrics in advance, which were sent to each home, none reported a problem.
Is that a new rule now, or was that just done out of courtesy? I.e. notifying parents of lyrics in advance? I was just thinking that the act of notifying parents in advance already makes it political to a certain extent, as if I would have been a parent, I would immediately have thought that I have to pay attention. But if there is a rule about it and it is done as normal course of action, then of course that would be different.
Ophois
I'm sure it was just out of courtesy. Which doesn't make it any more political. The teachers obviously knew that anything having to do with Obama would raise some eyebrows(it did more than that apparently). This was, to me, a smart move on their part.
deanhills
Right. But how did it get to the media however? If none of the parents had a problem with it, how did the media get to hear about it? Sort of does not make any sense does it?
Ophois
They video taped it and posted it on the net.
Not quite the brightest move ever, but with footage of it floating around, it would have hit the news stations sooner or later. Or some Obama hating neighbor would have heard that their neighbors kid was singing "Heil Fuhrer Obama" songs in school, and just made a call to the local Action 5 news channel. Crap like this shouldn't warrant a big news story, much less death threats.

After all, kids were led in a sing-a-long by Laura Bush, praising Bush and FEMA for doing such a great job rebuilding NOLA after Katrina. I don't remember a huge "INDOCTRINATION!" outcry about that one.
Quote:
Our country’s stood beside us
People have sent us aid.
Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade.
Congress, Bush and FEMA
People across our land
Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!
Full article here.
deanhills
Ophois wrote:
They video taped it and posted it on the net.
Not quite the brightest move ever, but with footage of it floating around, it would have hit the news stations sooner or later. Or some Obama hating neighbor would have heard that their neighbors kid was singing "Heil Fuhrer Obama" songs in school, and just made a call to the local Action 5 news channel. Crap like this shouldn't warrant a big news story, much less death threats.

After all, kids were led in a sing-a-long by Laura Bush, praising Bush and FEMA for doing such a great job rebuilding NOLA after Katrina. I don't remember a huge "INDOCTRINATION!" outcry about that one.
Quote:
Our country’s stood beside us
People have sent us aid.
Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade.
Congress, Bush and FEMA
People across our land
Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!
Full article here.
I don't see the big deal at all about singing President songs. So it really does not matter that much to me at all whether the President happens to be from one Party or the other. I would find it fun in a way, take for example Clinton and all the possible lyrics for songs about him?
handfleisch
Ophois wrote:
They video taped it and posted it on the net.
Not quite the brightest move ever, but with footage of it floating around, it would have hit the news stations sooner or later. Or some Obama hating neighbor would have heard that their neighbors kid was singing "Heil Fuhrer Obama" songs in school, and just made a call to the local Action 5 news channel. Crap like this shouldn't warrant a big news story, much less death threats.


I don't see that it's the parent's fault for innocently posting videos of their children singing. I think it's sad they can't without it being tainted by anti-Obama hysteria. You're right, it shouldn't warrant a story, but it does to the FOXaganda agency, which as usual twisted the truth to fit with their dishonest themes.
Ophois
Right. I think they should be able to post things like that online. It shouldn't be a huge deal. The thing is, once the media nutjobs started in on calling Obama a Socialist/Fascist, they made the next step, and compared him to other Socialist/Fascist leaders from times past, who actually did indoctrinate kids. Which is to say that anything Obama-related is obviously "INDOCTRINATION!", if it involves kids.

The media panders to paranoia and fear, and they should be ashamed of themselves.
handfleisch
Ophois wrote:
Right. I think they should be able to post things like that online. It shouldn't be a huge deal. The thing is, once the media nutjobs started in on calling Obama a Socialist/Fascist, they made the next step, and compared him to other Socialist/Fascist leaders from times past, who actually did indoctrinate kids. Which is to say that anything Obama-related is obviously "INDOCTRINATION!", if it involves kids.

The media panders to paranoia and fear, and they should be ashamed of themselves.

well at least you're doing you're part, pointing out the nutjobs while being lucid and calm. It's really needed now.
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