FRIHOST • FORUMS • SEARCH • FAQ • TOS • BLOGS • DIRECTORY
You are invited to Log in or Register a Frihost Account!

Iran to meet with World Leaders

 


deanhills
Wonder how "explosive" the meeting will be when Iran meets with World Leaders on 1 October. Israel and the United States feel very serious about Iran curtailing its nuclear enrichment activities, so will not be surprised if there should be serious differences. Also hope that some of the terrorist organizations may not feel that this is the time to make their appearance somewhere in protest to the meeting, or to illustrate a point. Israel is very outspokenly against Iran, probably for good reason, as I would imagine they would have intelligence about Iran's nuclear capability that possibly not everyone else have, and have a good idea of the potential threat Iran may pose to world peace.

What are your views on this?

Source of article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090914/ap_on_re_eu/un_nuclear_conference
Highlights of the article:
Quote:
In Washington, State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs William Burns — who was at the Geneva talks — would again represent the U.S.

"The point of all this is to sit down with the Iranians and explain directly, face to face, the choice that they have," Kelly said.

"They can go down one path, which leads to integration with the international community, or they can continue down another path which leads to isolation. And that's the path that we're concerned that they're on now, because they're not meeting their obligations to the international community."

Gibbs, the White House spokesman, suggested any Iranian refusal to discuss demands that it curb enrichment or address concerns about its alleged weapons program could backfire.

"If it's something they don't want to talk about, I think that will speak volumes around the world," he told reporters.

The U.S. decision to talk with Iran appeared to be part of an attempt to preserve some six-power unity. Permanent Security Council members Russia and China have blocked Western attempts at tougher sanctions, so the agreement to drop insistence on an enrichment freeze and meet with Tehran without preconditions seemed gauged to keep Moscow and Beijing on board.

"We have an opportunity here to present a united front — the five permanent members of the Security Council, plus Germany — to show that the international community wants them to abandon their any plans they have for a militarization of their nuclear program," Kelly said.

Reva Bhalla, director of analysis at Stratfor, a U.S.-based global intelligence firm, said those differences pitting Moscow and Beijing against other Security Council members might persist at the talks.

But "if Iran doesn't take talks seriously and miscalculates, then you have possibility of these sanctions moving forward," with Russia and China also in favor, he said.

World powers other than the U.S. reserved comment. But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was quoted as urging the international community to opt for toughness, not compromise.

"I believe that now is the time to impose harsh sanctions against Iran," he was quoted as saying at a closed meeting of Israel's parliamentary foreign affairs and defense committee.

"The Iranian regime is weak," he said, according to an official at the meeting who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was divulging Netanyahu's comments. "The Iranian people would not rally around the regime if they felt for the first time that there was a danger to their regime."
coolclay
I think it's great that Iran is going to try, but I don't see anything changing. They will accuse Iran of nuclear weapons, they'll get pissed off and leave. It's just the same old crap. I think the same thing will probably happen with the meetings with N. Korea as well. I can only hope that these "rogue" countries will come to their senses and work together with the rest of the world.
Moonspider
deanhills wrote:
Wonder how "explosive" the meeting will be when Iran meets with World Leaders on 1 October. Israel and the United States feel very serious about Iran curtailing its nuclear enrichment activities, so will not be surprised if there should be serious differences. Also hope that some of the terrorist organizations may not feel that this is the time to make their appearance somewhere in protest to the meeting, or to illustrate a point. Israel is very outspokenly against Iran, probably for good reason, as I would imagine they would have intelligence about Iran's nuclear capability that possibly not everyone else have, and have a good idea of the potential threat Iran may pose to world peace.

What are your views on this?


I don’t think anything positive will come of it. Iran is stalling, and in my opinion has already stalled long enough to succeed. China and Russia will not support any tougher sanctions. Russia will continue to supply weapon systems to Iran and will probably have Russian forces in Iran in the near future since the S-300 system will in all likelihood require technical support. Although these weapon systems are defensive, they inhibit the ability of Israel or the West to take military action against Iran if they so desire. It also arguably further destabilizes the Middle East since it potentially alters the balance of power somewhat between the Arab Gulf states and the Persians. Once Iran deploys the S-300s, Arab states will want to upgrade their offensive air capabilities in order to defeat the system. And so goes the cycle of an arms race.

As unfortunate as it will be, I believe the inevitable outcome of this game is an Israeli strike on Iran with everything Israel can throw at them. During the Bush administration, I believed that President Bush would order a limited military campaign against Iran if an Israel attack was irreversible. The United States could do more damage with less geo-political fallout an Israeli attack might bring. Fortunately, President Bush was able to stay Israel’s hand during his tenure.

However, I do not think President Obama will order a strike faced with such a dilemma. Nor do I think Israel will be willing to listen to the patient advice of restraint from a U.S. president much longer. Thus, I fear an Israeli strike within the next 2 to 5 years to be inevitable.

More than likely, such a strike will occur after the pullout of U.S. forces from Iraq. Once the United States no longer controls Iraqi airspace, Israel will have more options regarding Iran since they will no longer need U.S. permission to cross said airspace.

Respectfully,
M
deanhills
Moonspider wrote:

More than likely, such a strike will occur after the pullout of U.S. forces from Iraq. Once the United States no longer controls Iraqi airspace, Israel will have more options regarding Iran since they will no longer need U.S. permission to cross said airspace.

Respectfully,
M
Excellent posting Moonspider. I learned so much from it. Thanks!

So one can then say if the US really want to hold Israel back from striking Iran, they should not remove their troops from Iraq or create a military base in Iraq? Sounds almost like a game of chess, which probably it is?
ocalhoun
Moonspider wrote:

However, I do not think President Obama will order a strike faced with such a dilemma. Nor do I think Israel will be willing to listen to the patient advice of restraint from a U.S. president much longer. Thus, I fear an Israeli strike within the next 2 to 5 years to be inevitable.

Especially since this president is perceived as far less pro-Israel than the predecessor.

The (unspoken) message before might have been "Don't do anything rash. Just negotiate, and we'll protect you."
They'll be less likely to heed a message of "Don't do anything rash, just negotiate. ... "
deanhills
Possibly Israel does not have trust in the Government of Obama. The verdict is still out for me, but what worries me is Obama's need for "making friends", trying to please everyone. Some may interpret it as a sign of weakness. Israel probably does. So it would be more inclined to take responsibility for its own safety viz Iran, than trusting the US to be around if Iran should become ballistic.
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:
if Iran should become ballistic.

^.^
Clever choice of words, there...
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
deanhills wrote:
if Iran should become ballistic.

^.^
Clever choice of words, there...
Yeah right! Laughing Scary though. This may be the reason that the US military is still in Iraq, the moment Iraq is completely on its own, Iran is possibly going to be a huge problem. We also have to contend with Obama politics as a constraint while he is trying to get away by the critics in his party who are accusing him of following the previous administration's status quo. Guess that is where the difference comes in between an appeaser and a genuine leader. The verdict is still out on this for me, but hopefully Obama's advisors in foreign policy and the defence would be able to cap his appeasing with a healthy dose of realism.

Wonder where Hillary stands in all of this. As her opening remarks to all the countries immediately after her appointment was very strong. Wonder whether she is being muzzled and limited to off the mainstream overseas trips to Africa etc embracing victims of war rather than being at the helm of Foreign Policy?
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:
limited to off the mainstream overseas trips to Africa etc embracing victims of war rather than being at the helm of Foreign Policy?

^.^ That would be ironic.
Certain statements of hers, while she was just a president's wife, indicated that she thought giving aid to Africa was the military's real purpose.
Her first comment upon seeing the poverty there was, "Why isn't the US military doing anything about this?"
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
deanhills wrote:
limited to off the mainstream overseas trips to Africa etc embracing victims of war rather than being at the helm of Foreign Policy?

^.^ That would be ironic.
Certain statements of hers, while she was just a president's wife, indicated that she thought giving aid to Africa was the military's real purpose.
Her first comment upon seeing the poverty there was, "Why isn't the US military doing anything about this?"
I did see her comment, also about the sexual abuse of women and saying the US will be doing something about it. You are right, why the military, and also, there is no military there, so does that mean that military troops would be sent shortly? Could be misinterpreted, but yes, also says much of how she views the military.
Related topics

World leaders at economic summit vow to cooperate
Europeans and Americans, your thoughts on "Eurabia"
A soldier's rant
IRAN REFFERAL TO SECURITY COUNCIL
Images of Islam - "Death to America, Death to Denmark&a

Iran: The Next Neocon Target
To Kill an American
Threat to world peace - Bin Laben and Bush on Top
Iran: very close to the nuclear power!!!
should we care about antartic ice melting?

Jefferson Perez, Ecuador
UK scientists clone human embryo
Dogs do it too
Beginning of the End of the World?
Retarded leaders
Reply to topic    Frihost Forum Index -> Lifestyle and News -> Discuss World News

FRIHOST HOME | FAQ | TOS | ABOUT US | CONTACT US | SITE MAP
© 2005-2007 Frihost, forums powered by phpBB.