Saw this on Mitchell and Webb the other day and found it quite funny.
That Mitchell and Webb Look at Abraham and Issac.
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That Mitchell and Webb Look at Abraham and Issac.
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The humour was precious in it. I really miss British comedy. You just can't beat the facial expressions and dry wit.
Regarding the subject matter, it is a story I have never believed, even as a child. Never made sense to me. Can only be man made to put fear into people.
Regarding the subject matter, it is a story I have never believed, even as a child. Never made sense to me. Can only be man made to put fear into people.
Peace.
I like the mitchell and webb series; alot of the sketches are funny.
Maybe, it was nothing more than just a test (of faithfulness): If Abraham wasn't going to do it, then his son would not have been killed. If Abraham was going to do it, God would have (/did) stopped him, and his son would not have been (/was not) killed.
Here's some thoughts from a Christian website on the matter:
Have a nice day.
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| The humour was precious in it. I really miss British comedy. You just can't beat the facial expressions and dry wit.
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I like the mitchell and webb series; alot of the sketches are funny.
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Regarding the subject matter, it is a story I have never believed, even as a child. Never made sense to me. Can only be man made to put fear into people. |
Maybe, it was nothing more than just a test (of faithfulness): If Abraham wasn't going to do it, then his son would not have been killed. If Abraham was going to do it, God would have (/did) stopped him, and his son would not have been (/was not) killed.
Here's some thoughts from a Christian website on the matter:
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First, we should realize what God was not doing: God was not tempting Abraham. God was not enticing Abraham to do wrong, but was testing him to see if he would do what was right. (See the article on tempting). God was not instituting or condoning child sacrifice. As seen in Deuteronomy 12:31 and the other passages above, God abhors child sacrifice. It's important to remember that God prevented the sacrifice from actually occurring. He did not desire the sacrifice as an act of worship or for any other reason beyond testing Abraham. God was not telling Abraham to do wrong. God has the right to take human life (see the article on God's moral authority) and could therefore authorize Abraham to do so in a particular case. Note that had Abraham decided of his own accord to sacrifice Isaac, he would have been wrong and his act would have been condemned by God (as were other human-initiated sacrifices). Why then would God give this command? The point was for Abraham to demonstrate that he trusted God completely and placed him above all else, even his own son.1 Though God of course already knew that Abraham had faith in him, it was necessary for Abraham to prove it through action. "His faith was made complete by what he did" (James 2:21-23). |
Have a nice day.
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Maybe, it was nothing more than just a test (of faithfulness): If Abraham wasn't going to do it, then his son would not have been killed. If Abraham was going to do it, God would have (/did) stopped him, and his son would not have been (/was not) killed. |
I'm really not so sure. The God of the OT was a total maniac. His solutions to disobedience throughout the OT has been strike them down first, let them burn later.
You really don't even have to be disobedient to have everything you love destroyed by God. Take for example the story of that guy (can't remember his name) that was one of the most loyal followers God had. Well Satan comes along and roughly says "I bet if shit ever hits the fan, this guy would curse your name". Gods like "Oh yeah? You're on." and proceeds to murder and destroy everyone and everything this man has ever known or loved. In the end, the guy was still loyal to God, so guess he won the bet. Nice one Yahweh, don't spend it all in one place.
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I'm really not so sure. The God of the OT was a total maniac. His solutions to disobedience throughout the OT has been strike them down first, let them burn later. |
The OT has a bad reputation, but it's not as bad as everyone seems to think. Sure, it has its bad bits. But it's not filled with unjustifiable excessive violence on every page.
Anyway, it must have been annoying for God. He helped the Israelites and at every chance they started worshipping idols instead of Him.
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You really don't even have to be disobedient to have everything you love destroyed by God. Take for example the story of that guy (can't remember his name) that was one of the most loyal followers God had. Well Satan comes along and roughly says "I bet if shit ever hits the fan, this guy would curse your name". Gods like "Oh yeah? You're on." and proceeds to murder and destroy everyone and everything this man has ever known or loved. In the end, the guy was still loyal to God, so guess he won the bet. Nice one Yahweh, don't spend it all in one place. |
His name was Job. He's often seen as this perfect/near-perfect guy who was punished simply to be put to the test. However the book of Job shows that Job was far from perfect. Read the speech given by Elihu in that book and you'll see he actually criticises Job and says his reputation for being really good is false. So Job wasn't being punished for nothing.
Also, Job was rewarded at the end (although I'm not sure why, since he just complained when it got too much for him) with greater than he had originally.
Peace.
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The OT has a bad reputation, but it's not as bad as everyone seems to think. Sure, it has its bad bits. But it's not filled with unjustifiable excessive violence on every page. |
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Only a million or two? Humans have killed hundreds of millions. Even if you discount the last century, there have been hundreds of millions of humans killed by other humans. But i'm sure you could justify some of God's killing.
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So the vengeful and spited God responds by throwing his toys out of his celestial pram? Not very mature... |
God helped Israel, he freed them from slavery, he blessed them greatly and so on. How do they reward Him? By worshipping someone else. He forgave them time after time. They continue to abuse this forgiveness time and time again, by worshipping idols at every chance. Alot of the OT reads like "God blesses Israelities. Israelities live in prosperity. Israelities worship idols. God's get angry. Israelities pay no heed. God sends punishment. Israelities worship God again. Cycle repeats."
Peace.
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| No - not every page, but there is an AWFUL lot of excessive violence. We once guestimated the number of people God kills in the OT. Well over a million..... |
(i'd call that a low estimate. ^_^; He killed a million in one shot at one point (2 Chronicles 14:9-12, and by the way, that's directly God doing the killing, not people killing in his name). And that doesn't count the hundreds of thousands per massacre in all of his other massacres. The flood alone... wow.)
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Only a million or two? Humans have killed hundreds of millions. Even if you discount the last century, there have been hundreds of millions of humans killed by other humans. But i'm sure you could justify some of God's killing.
God helped Israel, he freed them from slavery, he blessed them greatly and so on. How do they reward Him? By worshipping someone else. He forgave them time after time. They continue to abuse this forgiveness time and time again, by worshipping idols at every chance. Alot of the OT reads like "God blesses Israelities. Israelities live in prosperity. Israelities worship idols. God's get angry. Israelities pay no heed. God sends punishment. Israelities worship God again. Cycle repeats." Peace. |
firstly that doesnt sound like god, what you did there was give a creature of pure glory and goodness who gave life and beauty (apparently) human qualities like anger and JEALOUSY blah blah blah...
secondly doesnt the bible teach turn the other cheek and live in peace, IF EVERY CHRISTIAN did this there would be more peace around the world, but they dont, they lie and sleep with little boys in christian camp (sry not all christians, i am just angry today).
thirdly why do they have too reward god, think about it, other countries are much better off and god what just like too pick on israel....i have never heard of israel actually being a physical threat too a country....its stupid....israel is weak and there is no god lets all eat pie, i am gonna go wash my dog just too piss him off cause i am angry
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His name was Job. He's often seen as this perfect/near-perfect guy who was punished simply to be put to the test. However the book of Job shows that Job was far from perfect. Read the speech given by Elihu in that book and you'll see he actually criticises Job and says his reputation for being really good is false. So Job wasn't being punished for nothing. Also, Job was rewarded at the end (although I'm not sure why, since he just complained when it got too much for him) with greater than he had originally. Peace. |
Alright, so let me get this straight. Job was far from perfect (just as God created him) and as a consequence (and to prove something to Satan... which makes absolutely no sense.*) God makes his life literally a living hell. Quite malevolent. Now lets take into account that God actually murdered all those people associated with Job for the simple reason that Job "messed up". Where's the justice? This "supreme being" is a homicidal monster with no justifications for his actions.
*Why does God find it necessary to prove something to Satan at the expense of one of his followers and every person associated with that follower?
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