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Lawsuit seeks to block 'In God We Trust' engraving

 


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Lawsuit seeks to block 'In God We Trust' engraving

By RYAN J. FOLEY – 1 day ago

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The nation's largest group of atheists and agnostics filed a lawsuit Tuesday seeking to block an architect from engraving "In God We Trust" and the Pledge of Allegiance at the Capitol Visitor Center in Washington.

The Madison-based Freedom From Religion Foundation's lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in western Wisconsin, claims the taxpayer-funded engravings would be an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.

The House and Senate passed identical resolutions this month directing the Architect of the Capitol to engrave "In God We Trust" and the pledge in prominent places at the entrance for 3 million tourists who visit the Capitol each year.

The resolution came in response to critics who complained Congress spent $621 million on the new three-story underground center without paying respect to the nation's religious heritage. The center opened in December after years of construction.

The foundation is seeking a court order to stop the engravings, which the Congressional Budget Office estimates will cost less than $100,000.

"In God We Trust" has been the national motto since 1956 and has appeared on U.S. currency since 1957.

The lawsuit says both the motto and the words "under God" in the pledge were adopted during the Cold War as anti-communism measures. Engraving them at the entrance to the U.S. Capitol would discriminate against those who do not practice religion and unfairly promote a Judeo-Christian perspective, it says.

Members of Congress who supported the measure swiftly denounced the lawsuit.

"This lawsuit is another attempt by liberal activists to rewrite history and deny that America's Judeo-Christian heritage is an essential foundation stone of our great nation," said Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.

Rep. Daniel Lungren, R-Calif., said he was expecting a lawsuit but called the claims "patently absurd."

The foundation also is challenging the constitutionality of the National Day of Prayer in federal court.


Hopefully this lawsuit will be successful since the national motto is an embarrassment, a holdover from the reactionary dark days of McCarthyism. But obviously these Republicans still live there.
Afaceinthematrix
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"This lawsuit is another attempt by liberal activists to rewrite history and deny that America's Judeo-Christian heritage is an essential foundation stone of our great nation," said Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.


Why do people keep saying that the U.S. was founded on a Christian heritage? The U.S. was founded on secular ideas by men that were at least agnostic if not atheist.

Paying 100,000 to have "In God We Trust" and the Pledge of Allegiance engraved is a bloody waste of tax dollars if you ask me. If the project receives donations and is completely privately paid for then I really won't have too much of a problem with it.

Sure I hate religion and am an atheist, but there's plenty of things I hate more that I'll worry about. However, it would be nice if the U.S. wasn't such a Jesusland.
liljp617
I understand opposing "in god we trust," but I don't really feel the same way about the Pledge. Although I disagree with the "under god" within the Pledge, I think the Pledge as a whole stands for something more respectable, worthy of overlooking the "under god" insertion. Of course, I don't really care to have either paid for by tax dollars, as it seems useless from an overall perspective.

And yes, I still find it funny we have state representatives who don't even know the history of the nation's foundation, and the attitudes of many of those who took direct part in it. Of course, he's from Iowa so Rolling Eyes
ocalhoun
I think they would be better off trying to get the national motto changed, rather than trying to keep the government from using its own national motto.
The same with the pledge of allegiance.

Would they take offense at flying the flag in front of government buildings if it had a religious symbol on it?
liljp617
ocalhoun wrote:
Would they take offense at flying the flag in front of government buildings if it had a religious symbol on it?


They should. I would in a way. I wouldn't consider it taking offense (in a personal way), I just don't think it should be done based on the principles the nation was founded upon.
ocalhoun
liljp617 wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
Would they take offense at flying the flag in front of government buildings if it had a religious symbol on it?


They should. I would in a way. I wouldn't consider it taking offense (in a personal way), I just don't think it should be done based on the principles the nation was founded upon.

I don't think what the nation was founded upon matters at all.

The simple thing is that if they want to change national symbols, mottos, or pledges, they should certainly try to do so.
They shouldn't try to ban the use of such national symbols though. The real problem is that the USA has a religious motto, not that the USA is using its motto.
liljp617
ocalhoun wrote:
liljp617 wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
Would they take offense at flying the flag in front of government buildings if it had a religious symbol on it?


They should. I would in a way. I wouldn't consider it taking offense (in a personal way), I just don't think it should be done based on the principles the nation was founded upon.

I don't think what the nation was founded upon matters at all.


I think that's exactly what matters.

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The simple thing is that if they want to change national symbols, mottos, or pledges, they should certainly try to do so.
They shouldn't try to ban the use of such national symbols though. The real problem is that the USA has a religious motto, not that the USA is using its motto.


Fair enough.
Vrythramax
Somehow this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. In the state where I live (Massachusetts, US) there has been a movement by local Indian tribes to remove the figure of Massasoit (one of the native indians who helped the pilgrims when they first landed here in 1620) from the state shield claiming "it is derogatory to native americans", when it is actually there as recognition of the help received from the Indians without which the pilgrims would never have survived the first winter. We even named the state in his (Massasoit's) honor.

All of this is symbolic, to me anyway, that some people cannot leave well enough alone. If there is something to bitch about, someone will bitch about it.

Rolling Eyes
liljp617
Vrythramax wrote:
All of this is symbolic, to me anyway, that some people cannot leave well enough alone. If there is something to bitch about, someone will bitch about it.


I would venture to say there's quite a bit more to their motives than just keeping four words from being engraved. I would have to say the four words are but a small factor in what they're trying to achieve.
deanhills
liljp617 wrote:
I would have to say the four words are but a small factor in what they're trying to achieve.
I would have to agree, as it is quite self-evident in the article. Times do change, and possibly even theists would agree that an engraving like this is over the top, especially from a cost point of view.
peaceupnorth
ocalhoun wrote:
The simple thing is that if they want to change national symbols, mottos, or pledges, they should certainly try to do so.
They shouldn't try to ban the use of such national symbols though. The real problem is that the USA has a religious motto, not that the USA is using its motto.


I agree, but I guess they are trying to make a statement by opposing something that's being built. It has a greater impact that way. They ARE probably trying to lobby for changing the national motto too, and maybe not having much success at it.
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