If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
If a tree falls in the woods...
Erm yes.
How would you justify your answer?
Experience,if something falls it makes a noise.
How can someone experience something if no one is there to experience it.
I repeat...
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Neilos
I repeat...
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Neilos
I have past experience of things falling,so if (for example) there is a wood or forest that i go through every day,and one day i see a tree has fallen the previous night,i know it made a sound because past experience of things that fall tells me that.
Ok, so you want to generalise about things making sound because you have heard things previously?
But if no one has ever experienced the sound of something when no one has heard it, how can you generalise about it in this way?
I have seen lots of green frogs. Therefore I can generalise about all frogs and say that all frogs are green! This was deduced using the same logic as you.
Wait I have more.....
I am 24 years old... Everyone in the world must also be 24 years ols as I have experience of me being 24 years old!
I live in a house. Everyone must live in a house.
I have never been in a plane crash (hopefully never will). Therefore planes do not crash as I have no experience of it!
Lol, do u get my point.
Maybe we should think of exactly what sound is? This is in the science bit of the forum afterall!
Neilos
But if no one has ever experienced the sound of something when no one has heard it, how can you generalise about it in this way?
I have seen lots of green frogs. Therefore I can generalise about all frogs and say that all frogs are green! This was deduced using the same logic as you.
Wait I have more.....
I am 24 years old... Everyone in the world must also be 24 years ols as I have experience of me being 24 years old!
I live in a house. Everyone must live in a house.
I have never been in a plane crash (hopefully never will). Therefore planes do not crash as I have no experience of it!
Lol, do u get my point.
Maybe we should think of exactly what sound is? This is in the science bit of the forum afterall!
Neilos
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| Ok, so you want to generalise about things making sound because you have heard things previously?
But if no one has ever experienced the sound of something when no one has heard it, how can you generalise about it in this way? |
Because we know that when things fall,they make sound,why would this fact change just because someone isn;t there to hear it.
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I have seen lots of green frogs. Therefore I can generalise about all frogs and say that all frogs are green! This was deduced using the same logic as you. |
Not all frogs are green,if you have only seen green frogs,then from your perspective this may be true.
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I am 24 years old... Everyone in the world must also be 24 years ols as I have experience of me being 24 years old! |
But you have experience of other people being older/younger.
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I live in a house. Everyone must live in a house. |
Everyone doesn't live in a house,from experience you know this to be true.
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I have never been in a plane crash (hopefully never will). Therefore planes do not crash as I have no experience of it! |
You have seen enough planes crashing on Tv to know planes do indeed crash.
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Lol, do u get my point. |
No.
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Maybe we should think of exactly what sound is? This is in the science bit of the forum afterall! |
Type on your keyboard,can you hear that sound?,you can't hear me typing,but experience should tell you that if you typing makes a sound,then me typing does also.
Lol, very good points and thankyou for your rebuttal. Alas I must refute your statements with my own rebuttal.
It of course affects it. What is sound? The perception of sound is merely an interpretation of our eardrums. Our eardrums sence changes in airpreasure, they then in turn send electrical signals to your brain, which then interprets the electrical signals and we understand them to be sound. There is a condition where the electrical signals go to the wrong places and a sound can actually cause a taste! Or a visual annomoly. Sound is merely an interpretation not a actual thing. Therefore, does anything make a sound?
Using your logic sound doesn't exist if you are def, but other people can still hear it? Is it all make believe?
I know not all frogs are green, but say I didn't and I just thought that all frogs were green. Can I still see a frog that isn't green? YES! So can you understand that maybe a tree won't make a sound if no one hears it, even though you think it will? YES! (Hopefully)
Does a tree make a sound if NO ONE is around to hear it? I don't think so, but you do. Which of us is correct?
I'll give you those, they were intended to sound preposterous. I was demonstrating how your logic works. So if you can correct me, can you correct yourself?
Neilos
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| Because we know that when things fall,they make sound,why would this fact change just because someone isn;t there to hear it. |
It of course affects it. What is sound? The perception of sound is merely an interpretation of our eardrums. Our eardrums sence changes in airpreasure, they then in turn send electrical signals to your brain, which then interprets the electrical signals and we understand them to be sound. There is a condition where the electrical signals go to the wrong places and a sound can actually cause a taste! Or a visual annomoly. Sound is merely an interpretation not a actual thing. Therefore, does anything make a sound?
Using your logic sound doesn't exist if you are def, but other people can still hear it? Is it all make believe?
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| Not all frogs are green,if you have only seen green frogs,then from your perspective this may be true. |
I know not all frogs are green, but say I didn't and I just thought that all frogs were green. Can I still see a frog that isn't green? YES! So can you understand that maybe a tree won't make a sound if no one hears it, even though you think it will? YES! (Hopefully)
Does a tree make a sound if NO ONE is around to hear it? I don't think so, but you do. Which of us is correct?
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| But you have experience of other people being older/younger.
Everyone doesn't live in a house,from experience you know this to be true. You have seen enough planes crashing on Tv to know planes do indeed crash. |
I'll give you those, they were intended to sound preposterous. I was demonstrating how your logic works. So if you can correct me, can you correct yourself?
Neilos
I am not sure I followed all of you bickering...but yes, it makes a sound. I agree with the past experience and generalization theory. Besides, there are so many things in the world that _do happen_ and just because we are unable to perceive them doesn't mean they don't exist.
As has been said by some philosopher before (I don't remember which), we must define what we mean by sound. If by sound we mean the physical vibrations in the air, then yes, the tree does make a sound when it falls. If by sound we mean the experienced sensation, then no, there is no sound since there is no one to experience it.
lolz, it was a debate.
I intended to spark a debate about the age old question. Of course like Magicman says there is no correct answer, i understand this. I just wondered what everyones take is on it.
Is it just enough to assume something? read this from NewScientists 23 june 2007 "RealityCheck"
So even science says that, if no one is around to hear it then it makes no sound. It makes no sound because the tree doesn't even exist!!!
lol
Comments?
Neilos
I intended to spark a debate about the age old question. Of course like Magicman says there is no correct answer, i understand this. I just wondered what everyones take is on it.
Is it just enough to assume something? read this from NewScientists 23 june 2007 "RealityCheck"
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What they found is that Leggett's formula is violated as well: even if you allow for instantaneous influences, quantum measurements do not fit with the idea of an objective reality. This is surprising because you might expect that, once any spooky "non-local" action is allowed, you could account for almost any relationship between two particles, and there would be no reason to ditch our concepts of reality. "This is not the case", says Aspelmeyer. Although some loopholes remain - not all non-local models have been ruled out - we now have to face the possibility that there is nothing inherently real about the properties of an object that we measure. In other words, measuring those properties is what brings them into existence. "Rather than passively observing it, we in fact create reality", says quantum researcher Vlatko Vedral of the university of Leeds, UK.>> |
So even science says that, if no one is around to hear it then it makes no sound. It makes no sound because the tree doesn't even exist!!!
lol
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Neilos
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