tell sth about swine flu in your own country or city.
How about swine flu in your country?
| Cliffer wrote: |
| tell sth about swine flu in your own country or city. |
I just learned that a 65 years old women died because of the swine flu in my city. That's sad... I hope that the flu won't expand to the whole city and that it's just an isolated case. 
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| I just learned that a 65 years old women died because of the swine flu in my city. That's sad... I hope that the flu won't expand to the whole city and that it's just an isolated case. |
On the other hand. The case of swine flu here in the UAE, which coincidentally originated in Canada was almost harmless. The person (he is an expat here) had less symptoms with the flu than I had with my last flu two years ago. But of course was quarantined in a hospital, which made it quite a hardship for him. He had to stay in hospital for 10 days and was not allowed to receive any visitors.
Heres a map of swine flu cases through out the world.
The UK has now over 600 cases,so its not right up to date,but its as near as. (No deaths so far though)
The UK has more cases of the flu than the rest of Europe combined,but overall its central and north America which is the worst hit,for both swine flu cases and deaths.
The UK has now over 600 cases,so its not right up to date,but its as near as. (No deaths so far though)
The UK has more cases of the flu than the rest of Europe combined,but overall its central and north America which is the worst hit,for both swine flu cases and deaths.
| truespeed wrote: |
| Heres a map of swine flu cases through out the world.
The UK has now over 600 cases,so its not right up to date,but its as near as. (No deaths so far though) The UK has more cases of the flu than the rest of Europe combined,but overall its central and north America which is the worst hit,for both swine flu cases and deaths. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_H1N1_flu_outbreak
That's a better link dean. Thanks.
We had our first death yesterday,a 38 year old woman from Scotland.
We had our first death yesterday,a 38 year old woman from Scotland.
I don't think N1H1 is really serious in countries other than Americas.
So long as we work hard together to prevent it from spreading fast.
It will disappear suddenly like SARS, i hope.
So long as we work hard together to prevent it from spreading fast.
It will disappear suddenly like SARS, i hope.
| snowynight wrote: |
| I don't think N1H1 is really serious in countries other than Americas.
So long as we work hard together to prevent it from spreading fast. It will disappear suddenly like SARS, i hope. |
i totally agree.....
In India, there have been only 23 cases registered so far.
| truespeed wrote: |
| That's a better link dean. Thanks.
We had our first death yesterday,a 38 year old woman from Scotland. |
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Yeah i think she did,she had just given birth to an 11 week premature baby,so i think her immune system was low,sadly the baby also died the day after she did.
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Yeah i think she did,she had just given birth to an 11 week premature baby,so i think her immune system was low,sadly the baby also died the day after she did. |
Still now my country is safe I think. Yet not no people are found who is attacked by this flue. Government of our country is very serious about this flue. They are not financially much strong to face the problem if the virus spread in the country. High security measures is taken and specialists are send in airports and border.
3 deaths now in the UK (All with underlying health problems though) total cases have gone up dramactically to 6,538.
| truespeed wrote: |
| 3 deaths now in the UK (All with underlying health problems though) total cases have gone up dramactically to 6,538. |
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The two latest deaths were a 73 year old and at the other end of the spectrum,a 6 year old.
It has been reported that both had other health issues,and naturally their immune system was weak and wasn't able to fight off the flu. I heard on the news today however that in the USA there have been deaths where the person was completely healthy,so it is worrying,especially now the government have give up on the idea of containment and are resigned to the spread of the virus.
There's actually not alot of swine flu cases in my area.
Swine influenza (also called swine flu, hog flu and pig flu) is an infection of a host animal by any one of several specific types of swine influenza virus. In 2009 the media labeled as "swine flu" flu caused by 2009's new strain of swine-origin A/H1N1 pandemic virus just as it had earlier dubbed as "avian flu" flu caused by the recent Asian-linage HPAI (High Pathogenic Avian Influenza) H5N1 strain that is still endemic in many wild bird species in several countries. And while there's alot of hype about it, it's not actually dangerous, so don't worry too much about it.
Swine influenza (also called swine flu, hog flu and pig flu) is an infection of a host animal by any one of several specific types of swine influenza virus. In 2009 the media labeled as "swine flu" flu caused by 2009's new strain of swine-origin A/H1N1 pandemic virus just as it had earlier dubbed as "avian flu" flu caused by the recent Asian-linage HPAI (High Pathogenic Avian Influenza) H5N1 strain that is still endemic in many wild bird species in several countries. And while there's alot of hype about it, it's not actually dangerous, so don't worry too much about it.
The first casualities of swine flue is recorded yesterday in Kerala, India. Although the airport authorities are taking measures but it seems that it is not sufficient. Other means of transport like ship and road are not been taken care of properly. I hope it will not turn as epidemic in India. keeping my finger crossed.
Another death in the UK today (read more ) .. a 19 year old man from London,again it was somebody with other health problems,so again his immune system wasn't up to much.
I was reading on another forum about somebody who had flu,he didn't know it was swine flu,so just stayed in bed for a week and got through it with the usual drugs you would get from a chemist. When he phoned his doctor a week later,his doctor told him after hearing his symptoms that it was swine flu and that it is probably better to get it now while the flu is in its mild form,rather than later when it mutates and becomes stronger (assuming this happens) as by then those who have had the mild form will have some kind of immunity to it.
I was reading on another forum about somebody who had flu,he didn't know it was swine flu,so just stayed in bed for a week and got through it with the usual drugs you would get from a chemist. When he phoned his doctor a week later,his doctor told him after hearing his symptoms that it was swine flu and that it is probably better to get it now while the flu is in its mild form,rather than later when it mutates and becomes stronger (assuming this happens) as by then those who have had the mild form will have some kind of immunity to it.
| truespeed wrote: |
| Another death in the UK today (read more ) .. a 19 year old man from London,again it was somebody with other health problems,so again his immune system wasn't up to much.
I was reading on another forum about somebody who had flu,he didn't know it was swine flu,so just stayed in bed for a week and got through it with the usual drugs you would get from a chemist. When he phoned his doctor a week later,his doctor told him after hearing his symptoms that it was swine flu and that it is probably better to get it now while the flu is in its mild form,rather than later when it mutates and becomes stronger (assuming this happens) as by then those who have had the mild form will have some kind of immunity to it. |
So far in the UK with only 5 deaths its hard to tell,there was one old person at 73,so its right across the age ranges really,i am not sure about statistics for other countries who have had more deaths.
| truespeed wrote: |
| So far in the UK with only 5 deaths its hard to tell,there was one old person at 73,so its right across the age ranges really,i am not sure about statistics for other countries who have had more deaths. |
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| Interesting news, almost hoping then that we do get the swine flu. I also heard that it is mostly young people who got the flu. Not many old people? |
Thats quite interesting.May be it has something to do with food habbit and lifestyle of young people.The researcher may find an interesting topic.
According to the CDC website, there are 33,902 confirmed cases in the US, with over a million unconfirmed cases suspected. There have been 170 deaths.
I've read about people having "flu parties" where when someone they know gets it everyone gets together with that person to try to catch the flu now while it's mild, in case it mutates and gets more virulent later.
I don't think that's a very good idea. it's killing people now.
And there's no guarantee that catching it now will protect you from a mutated variant during flu season.
I just hope it doesn't get as bad as it did in 1918.
I've read about people having "flu parties" where when someone they know gets it everyone gets together with that person to try to catch the flu now while it's mild, in case it mutates and gets more virulent later.
I don't think that's a very good idea. it's killing people now.
And there's no guarantee that catching it now will protect you from a mutated variant during flu season.
I just hope it doesn't get as bad as it did in 1918.
| Jinx wrote: |
| I've read about people having "flu parties" where when someone they know gets it everyone gets together with that person to try to catch the flu now while it's mild, in case it mutates and gets more virulent later. |
I'm sorry, I know it is serious, but at the same time sounded so hilarious. Usually people are doing the opposite, but I have heard too that getting a mild version of the flu is a good way of working on anti-bodies and strenthening the immune system.We have 15 deaths in the UK now,and we have just had our first death of someone without underlying health problems.
A young healthy girl of 6 died in the UK yesterday,i think its the first death (All but one of the deaths had other health issues) that has brought home to the public at large that this is a very real threat.
It doesn't help when you have government spokesmen on the TV saying not to panic,then saying that its not much worse than seasonal flu. They then go on to say that 5 in every 1000 people who catch it will die from it and 1 in 3 people will eventually catch it (That's 1 third of the UK population which means 20 million people) ,now according to my math that means 100'000 will die from it before years end.
Thats a lot of people. (no need to worry though eh)
It doesn't help when you have government spokesmen on the TV saying not to panic,then saying that its not much worse than seasonal flu. They then go on to say that 5 in every 1000 people who catch it will die from it and 1 in 3 people will eventually catch it (That's 1 third of the UK population which means 20 million people) ,now according to my math that means 100'000 will die from it before years end.
Thats a lot of people. (no need to worry though eh)
| truespeed wrote: |
| A young healthy girl of 6 died in the UK yesterday,i think its the first death (All but one of the deaths had other health issues) that has brought home to the public at large that this is a very real threat.
It doesn't help when you have government spokesmen on the TV saying not to panic,then saying that its not much worse than seasonal flu. They then go on to say that 5 in every 1000 people who catch it will die from it and 1 in 3 people will eventually catch it (That's 1 third of the UK population which means 20 million people) ,now according to my math that means 100'000 will die from it before years end. Thats a lot of people. (no need to worry though eh) |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_H1N1_flu_outbreak
| Cliffer wrote: |
| tell sth about swine flu in your own country or city. |
I'm from Asian countries, living in Singapore and Thailand. The swine flu has already spread out in these two countries. More people have been infected greatly and the death toll is increasing though not as considerable as the number of the infected. It's getting common to wear a mask when outside and public places like shopping malls and hotels check and provide hand wash gel to clean hands before getting in.
I quite worry about that as I'm going to migrate to the US for study. This country got the greatest number of death.
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I'm from Asian countries, living in Singapore and Thailand. The swine flu has already spread out in these two countries. More people have been infected greatly and the death toll is increasing though not as considerable as the number of the infected. It's getting common to wear a mask when outside and public places like shopping malls and hotels check and provide hand wash gel to clean hands before getting in. I quite worry about that as I'm going to migrate to the US for study. This country got the greatest number of death. |
Different parts of the US have been hit, some seriously, but I don't know how many (or if any) deaths. I know in this area of the North-East US we have had some concerns, but no major warnings or outbreaks. I have not heard of anyone in this country wearing facemasks when going out in public...yet.
It has always been my understanding that this years virus would mutate as deanhills pointed out, so any vaccine we can come with this year would be almost useless next year.
Aren't the elderly, people with lung disease, and the very young the most at risk?
It has always been my understanding that this years virus would mutate as deanhills pointed out, so any vaccine we can come with this year would be almost useless next year.
Aren't the elderly, people with lung disease, and the very young the most at risk?
| Vrythramax wrote: |
| Aren't the elderly, people with lung disease, and the very young the most at risk? |
| deanhills wrote: |
| Looks that way. Also pregnant women seem to be at risk. Truespeed has been studying the fatalities in the UK and mentioned a number of examples. He referred to the case of a 38-year old woman and her baby from Scotland who died from the virus. |
Of course, pregnant women, how stupid of me. It's amazing we have survived as a race with the way thier immune system goes haywire on them during pregnancy. Thank God I was born a man. No offense to any women out there....I know I could not handle what you go through during a pregnancy.
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Of course, pregnant women, how stupid of me. It's amazing we have survived as a race with the way thier immune system goes haywire on them during pregnancy. Thank God I was born a man. No offense to any women out there....I know I could not handle what you go through during a pregnancy. |
| deanhills wrote: |
| ... Mothers have this incredible bond that border on self-sacrifice (in most cases) and seem to love their children, more than their children can reciprocate. Probably the way the species work. |
I think it's called the "maternal instinct" deanhills, and it is pervasive in nature. Try picking up that cute little bear cub sometime.
29 deaths now,up from 17,with another 53 people in intensive care in hospital with the flu.
Although wiki says we have had only 10 thousand cases,the news says as many as 55 thousand people have been infected in this week alone.
And apparently no vaccine till the end of august.
Although wiki says we have had only 10 thousand cases,the news says as many as 55 thousand people have been infected in this week alone.
And apparently no vaccine till the end of august.
| truespeed wrote: |
| 29 deaths now,up from 17,with another 53 people in intensive care in hospital with the flu.
Although wiki says we have had only 10 thousand cases,the news says as many as 55 thousand people have been infected in this week alone. And apparently no vaccine till the end of august. |
I'm really sorry to hear this, as of course, to go from 10,000 to 55,000 is much slower than going from 55,000 to 555,000. Wonder about the Europeans who are vacationing in England as well, possibly this is going to have a rippling affect when they return to Europe.The spread of flu is just natural interaction of people coming together,at work,at school,on buses,trains etc
The fact that the number of cases has shot up has put the amount of deaths in a better perspective. Maybe the government hasn't been honest from the start so as not to cause panic,but with seasonal flu only a couple of months away and the possible mutation with swine flu,maybe now they want people to know the full implications and possibilities before then,so we are all prepared for the worse case scenario.
The fact that the number of cases has shot up has put the amount of deaths in a better perspective. Maybe the government hasn't been honest from the start so as not to cause panic,but with seasonal flu only a couple of months away and the possible mutation with swine flu,maybe now they want people to know the full implications and possibilities before then,so we are all prepared for the worse case scenario.
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| Maybe the government hasn't been honest from the start so as not to cause panic,but with seasonal flu only a couple of months away and the possible mutation with swine flu,maybe now they want people to know the full implications and possibilities before then,so we are all prepared for the worse case scenario. |
| deanhills wrote: |
| ... Quite a number of Governments have been hesitating with the announcement of numbers so people would not be panicked. Almost as though they did not want to get tainted by it. I still wonder at the heads that have not been counted, as no doubt some people would prefer to hide the flu so as not to become a statistic that has to be investigated. |
I'm sure the government is withholding some data to prevent a public panic....and rightly so (in my opinion). A full blown panic has all the potential of taking more lives than the flu itself. I can't believe people would keep their illness to themselves just because they didn't want to answer some questions. That's plain idiocy. Even a complete fool would know that he/she would be infecting others just by being around them...and be making a statistic of themselves anyway. Granted, a fool may not have enough foresight to see that no action is an action...but they still know you can catch something from someone.
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| Even a complete fool would know that he/she would be infecting others just by being around them...and be making a statistic of themselves anyway. Granted, a fool may not have enough foresight to see that no action is an action...but they still know you can catch something from someone. |
| deanhills wrote: |
| Also the case of this guy at work, once they get to pester you with questions there is a point where it would be quite human to clam up so that you can protect the people you have been in contact with. People like you and me will logically do the right thing, but there are quite a large number of people who are fearful of authority figures, disease and doctors. Especially when they are foreign labourers and they could stand a chance of being deported back home and loose their jobs. I doubt that would happen, but it could be the perception of that labourer. |
You make a good arguement, but there is just a part of me (call it wishful thinking) that just can't accept that in the face of an (possible) epidemic someone would knowingly withhold what could be critical information out of spite or distrust of the authorities. To do so would not only be foolish, but highly illegal. I use the case of Mary Mallon and the outcome of her case:
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Mary Mallon (September 23, 1869 – November 11, 1938), also known as Typhoid Mary, was the first person in the United States to be identified as a healthy carrier of typhoid fever. Over the course of her career as a cook, she is known to have infected 53 people, three of whom died from the disease. Her notoriety is in part due to her vehement denial of her own role in spreading the disease, together with her refusal to cease working as a cook. She was forcibly quarantined twice by public health authorities and died in quarantine. |
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I fully understand that people and times were much simpler during those times...but she had to have been an idiot! Do you really think, in your opinion that someone in this day and age would keep refusing like she did...after being locked up twice? I really hope people have advanced a bit further than that.
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| I really hope people have advanced a bit further than that. |
I wonder whether people ever really get past their own immediate and short-term interests to actually start thinking outside themselves. Some who are well educated obviously do, or one would "hope" they do, as some of the educated people also have complicated anti-establishment theories. I.e. resisting rules and regulations. But in the meanwhile we probably can keep on hoping. 1936 is long ago, and I doubt anybody really can remember the last real lethal pandemic flu we had. People seem to always re-inventing the same wheel.I have at the moment a very bad cold or a mild flu,i have all the symptoms of swine flu,without any way of knowing for sure if i have it,as over here now, unless your at deaths door,the advice is to just take paracetamol and go to bed.
I hope it is swine flu,then i at least would be immune from any mutation,but its probably just a bad cold.
I wonder how many people with colds end up as part of the swine flu statistics.
I hope it is swine flu,then i at least would be immune from any mutation,but its probably just a bad cold.
I wonder how many people with colds end up as part of the swine flu statistics.
| truespeed wrote: |
| I wonder how many people with colds end up as part of the swine flu statistics. |
But it made our life fall in hardship and have to beware on every movement. 
Looks as though the situation in the UK has been really bad news for English travellers in Asia, mostly in China:
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090724/wl_uk_afp/healthflubritainasiaegypt_20090724164933
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| LONDON (AFP) – At least 160 Britons are in quarantine for swine flu in China, India, Singapore and Egypt, the Foreign Office in London said Friday.
The bulk of those affected -- 138 -- are in China, where 61 British schoolchildren and teachers are in quarantine in Beijing while there are 77 students and teachers in Hangzhou, said a spokeswoman. |
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090724/wl_uk_afp/healthflubritainasiaegypt_20090724164933
I live in a town on the border between California and Mexico. Since there were reported deaths in Mexico from the swine flu, people here went nuts.
Here is my favorite incident.
Clerk in a convenience store is protecting himself from the Swine Flu. He is wearing a mask and rubber gloves. But he has cut the thumb and forefinger off of both sets of gloves. So he has completely nullified any protection he may have received from the gloves and proven that he has no idea what exactly he is protecting himself from.
Here is my favorite incident.
Clerk in a convenience store is protecting himself from the Swine Flu. He is wearing a mask and rubber gloves. But he has cut the thumb and forefinger off of both sets of gloves. So he has completely nullified any protection he may have received from the gloves and proven that he has no idea what exactly he is protecting himself from.
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| I live in a town on the border between California and Mexico. Since there were reported deaths in Mexico from the swine flu, people here went nuts.
Here is my favorite incident. Clerk in a convenience store is protecting himself from the Swine Flu. He is wearing a mask and rubber gloves. But he has cut the thumb and forefinger off of both sets of gloves. So he has completely nullified any protection he may have received from the gloves and proven that he has no idea what exactly he is protecting himself from. |
I'm not sure but I don't think that anyone has died from the swineflu here in Sweden yet. However I heard yesterday that we have had 408 cases of people getting sick from it.
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| I'm not sure but I don't think that anyone has died from the swineflu here in Sweden yet. However I heard yesterday that we have had 408 cases of people getting sick from it. |
Ok, now the flu has spread here in India too, already claiming some casualties.
Everyone's talking about and scared of it, all of a sudden.
Lots of check-ups happening at major hospitals here.
Some schools where cases have been reported have closed down temporarily and precautionary check-ups advised.
Everyone's talking about and scared of it, all of a sudden.
Lots of check-ups happening at major hospitals here.
Some schools where cases have been reported have closed down temporarily and precautionary check-ups advised.
Some countries are asking that travellers provide a letter that at the time they left the country of departure that they did not have swine flu. Sort of crazy of course, but obviously countries are doing everything they can to prevent people from entering the country when they have swine flu.
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Yes, that is really strange. Especially since UK has public health insurance... cuz it does right? If it hadnt that couldve been an explanation as to why so many more die there compared to for an example sweden..
There's more people tranvelling to/trough England, I think that's the explanation for having more cases of infections and consequently more deaths.
In UK lot of cases have been reported and now government is saying that there is a drop in cases in last couple of weeks. However I think this is just due to hot weather in UK at the moment, Swine Flu is going to hit back harder in winter when it is much colder in Europe and it is the best time for this virus to survive. Hopefully there will be a vaccine by that time, the mass production of such vaccines is still a question remains to be answered. I have not heard of any cases in Pakistan, not sure if it is because there are no cases or no action is being taken to check if flu cases are Swine flu or not.
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| There's more people tranvelling to/trough England, I think that's the explanation for having more cases of infections and consequently more deaths. |
I heard on NPR that Swine Flu is now mostly in countries in the Southern Hemisphere, but once autumn hits in the Northern Hemisphere and everyone is back to school, things may get bad again in the North.
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| I heard on NPR that Swine Flu is now mostly in countries in the Southern Hemisphere, but once autumn hits in the Northern Hemisphere and everyone is back to school, things may get bad again in the North. |
| gverutes wrote: |
| I heard on NPR that Swine Flu is now mostly in countries in the Southern Hemisphere, but once autumn hits in the Northern Hemisphere and everyone is back to school, things may get bad again in the North. |
I've also thought bout that. Schools, daycares etc might boost the spread of the flu a lot. Schools and daycares are like germcentrals. Maybe I could use that fact to justify me skipping class more often?
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I've also thought bout that. Schools, daycares etc might boost the spread of the flu a lot. Schools and daycares are like germcentrals. Maybe I could use that fact to justify me skipping class more often? |
On July 24, U.S. officials said swine flu could strike up to 40 percent of Americans over the next two years. The same month (July) Brazilian authorities extended the school vacation period up to two weeks in an attempt to contain the spread of the disease. As a result, more than 9 million students were kept from school. AND the same month (July) Thailand's swine flu toll grew rapidly with 44 deaths reported. Officials blamed the virus' fast spread, delayed medical treatment and severe respiratory infection for the rise. I can say that Britain is the hardest-hit country IN EUROPE (in the world I think it would be Thailand) by the pandemic.
It's really hard... In Venezuela (where I was born, and actually live) have reported at least 80 deaths by the swine flu, but I think that there are hundreds of people dying. This goverment is scarying me more than the Swine Flu!
Cya!
It's really hard... In Venezuela (where I was born, and actually live) have reported at least 80 deaths by the swine flu, but I think that there are hundreds of people dying. This goverment is scarying me more than the Swine Flu!
Cya!
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| This goverment is scarying me more than the Swine Flu!
Cya! |
I read in the news about the first swedish death in the swine flue.
Here in Finland where I am working in school, there is a lot of preparation for the expected outbreak later this autumn.
How about your countries!
//Bengt
Finland
Here in Finland where I am working in school, there is a lot of preparation for the expected outbreak later this autumn.
How about your countries!
//Bengt
Finland
Dengue is much more dangerous in my country, Phils.
fortunately, there is no death because of swin flu. but it seems there will be many in the near future. The weather in Turkey started to be colder and this may increase the cases. :S
Suddenly the swine flu panic burst in Ukraine.
Even the trains don't stop the stations in the west areas where the epidemic started. A few days ago the government announced to close all the schools for 3weeks.
Sounds serious!
However, not many people are wearing masks. One of the possible reasons is that there are no masks in the shops for some reason.
Even the trains don't stop the stations in the west areas where the epidemic started. A few days ago the government announced to close all the schools for 3weeks.
Sounds serious!
However, not many people are wearing masks. One of the possible reasons is that there are no masks in the shops for some reason.
In Sweden they've started a massive vaccine programme for all the risk groups, old people, people with certain illnesses, etc. After that they are gonna give free vaccine to everyone "normal" who wants it. I think I'll pass though, heard so much about how it is a bigger chance of dying from the vaccine than from the swin flu itself ,etc... but hard to know what is true and what is not... Are you guys gonna get vaccine or no?
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| In Sweden they've started a massive vaccine programme for all the risk groups, old people, people with certain illnesses, etc. After that they are gonna give free vaccine to everyone "normal" who wants it. I think I'll pass though, heard so much about how it is a bigger chance of dying from the vaccine than from the swin flu itself ,etc... but hard to know what is true and what is not... Are you guys gonna get vaccine or no? |
We are getting free vaccines as well, however right now it is available to high risk people only. I can get it in about a week, pending the usual government fiasco
After a week or so, the result of examination was published. 34 samples were sent to London and 15samples were swine flu!
What were those 19samples? Unknown virus?
What were those 19samples? Unknown virus?
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