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Will pakistan fall to the Taliban?

 


love_her_freida_pinto
what do YOU think? please keep it decent
prithvi
Till now, the Taliban has been descending from the higher altitudes to the valleys of Pakistan.

So I guess the Taliban is falling onto Pakistan, not the other way round.
deanhills
I doubt that will happen. People from Pakistan are much too feisty for that. I'm sure the US and other countries in the immediate vicinity who would find this a threat, will work on a way to end this. It could not possibly be in Pakistan's and for that matter the world's interest to fall to the Taliban. Would appear that the US is working on sending more assistance for the Pakistan military in the border areas where the Taliban are active:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090515/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan;_ylt=Ao_xpH6hv_CCUL.RKVwVZiCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFiaDBqMDNnBHBvcwM0MQRzZWMDYWNjb3JkaW9uX3dvcmxkBHNsawNwYWtpc3RhbnNheXM-
prithvi
deanhills wrote:
......I'm sure the US and other countries in the immediate vicinity who would find this a threat, will work on a way to end this......


The Taliban had initially formed its base after receiving funds indirectly from the US, in order to root out forces from the former USSR.
When Pakistan receives economic and military aid from the US and China, a large part of it is indirectly siphoned off to the terrorist camps.

AND NOW, when the Taliban is trying to establish its stronghold in Pakistan, the latter receives more aid than ever before, in order to root out the Taliban.

It would be really interesting to watch how the scene unfolds now, as all eyes are focussed on the most dangerous region in the world, which happens to be a haven for terrorists.

After all, it has to don a new cap of 'terror police' now. Laughing

Long live $$$
ocalhoun
I wonder if US intelligence has the locations of all Pakistani nukes figured out yet...
No matter if they do or not, I'm sure they have a plan to rush in and secure them all at a moment's notice if Pakistan falls to the Taliban.

The possibility that the Taliban might get control of even a few of those nukes is probably #1 on US national security concerns right now, which is why they're so eager to help the Pakistanis defend themselves.
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
I wonder if US intelligence has the locations of all Pakistani nukes figured out yet...
No matter if they do or not, I'm sure they have a plan to rush in and secure them all at a moment's notice if Pakistan falls to the Taliban.

The possibility that the Taliban might get control of even a few of those nukes is probably #1 on US national security concerns right now, which is why they're so eager to help the Pakistanis defend themselves.
Good point. Probably a good bargaining tool of the Government in Pakistan as well. I'm still worried about whether the Pakistani Government is in charge of the Pakistani military, or the military in charge of the Government. That has to be a very tricky part in this to negotiate, i.e. who has the real power in Pakistan. Prithvi also made some good points about the US changing allegiances over the last number of years from the time when the USSR was still in Afghanistan from supporting the Taliban to now fighting the Taliban. Wonder whether some of the Afghanistan era characters are still in leadership positions in the Taliban and the effect this must have on present day politics.
mp3songshome
This is impossible that taliban will capture pakistan's nuclear warheads/

we need to look into it deeply ... and should listen pakistan's point of view as well...

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So I guess the Taliban is falling onto Pakistan, not the other way round.


Prithvi meant to say ... taliban is spreading from MALAKAND division to other areas ... which seems impossible... no doubt they had some support in SWAT but now Pakistan Army is taking action against them.

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When Pakistan receives economic and military aid from the US and China, a large part of it is indirectly siphoned off to the terrorist camps.

AND NOW, when the Taliban is trying to establish its stronghold in Pakistan, the latter receives more aid than ever before, in order to root out the Taliban.



America gave Millions of dollars with weapons to stop USSR to Stop its invasion in Afghanistan ... and when Taliban ( American army trained persons) succeeded America left afghanistan alone .. which was the main cause of disstability in Afghanistan ..

Prithiv's opinion is seems childish. You dont even have ideas how much pressure is on Pakistan;s Govt about these millitants ..

Pakistan's millitary intelligence has published it reports that these millitants ( Uzbikistan and RAw , Mosad Agents) are trained in Afghanistan and are funded by Other Foreign countires like India , Russia. which have base camps in Afghanistan ..

What is True? u better look into it.

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wonder if US intelligence has the locations of all Pakistani nukes figured out yet...


Pakistan nuclear weapons has one of safest security around the world. these weapons are not toys which can be captured so easily ... and they dont even know the locations where are they..

Pakistan Army has started action against them and alot of things coming out which i guess soon will be available to press. Let me say once again it is impossible for taliban to stand against world best trained army ...
prithvi
mp3songshome wrote:

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Pakistan's millitary intelligence has published it reports that these millitants ( Uzbikistan and RAw , Mosad Agents) are trained in Afghanistan and are funded by Other Foreign countires like India , Russia. which have base camps in Afghanistan .....


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hunnyhiteshseth
mp3songshome wrote:

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When Pakistan receives economic and military aid from the US and China, a large part of it is indirectly siphoned off to the terrorist camps.

AND NOW, when the Taliban is trying to establish its stronghold in Pakistan, the latter receives more aid than ever before, in order to root out the Taliban.



America gave Millions of dollars with weapons to stop USSR to Stop its invasion in Afghanistan ... and when Taliban ( American army trained persons) succeeded America left afghanistan alone .. which was the main cause of disstability in Afghanistan ..

Prithiv's opinion is seems childish. You dont even have ideas how much pressure is on Pakistan;s Govt about these millitants ..


I think Prithvi made a valid statement. Yes its true US gave weapons to these mujahideens to fight USSR and it has paid price for it in the form of 9/11. But Pakistan's problem is more of its doing rather than someone else's. It was Pakistan which further supported these mujahideens after US left. Infact, pre 9/11, Taliban in Afganistan & Pakistan were closest allies. And links between Pakistan's notorious ISI & Taliban still exist. So, its very much possible that funds given to fight Taliban may actually be used to help them.

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Pakistan's millitary intelligence

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has published it reports that these millitants ( Uzbikistan and RAw , Mosad Agents) are trained in Afghanistan and are funded by Other Foreign countires like India , Russia. which have base camps in Afghanistan ..


Man stop living in parallel universe!! Laughing What the hell India, Uzbikistan or Russia has to do with this..


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wonder if US intelligence has the locations of all Pakistani nukes figured out yet...


Pakistan nuclear weapons has one of safest security around the world.


Laughing Laughing yeah yeah... and ofcourse we should worry about US's nuclear weapons, which by virtue of your statement, are not as safe as Pakistan's nuclear weapons... Laughing May be Pakistan's intelligence should try to figure out where US's nuclear arms are .. Laughing Laughing
On more serious note, we have already seem how committed Pakistan is towards its nuclear weapons in the form of Dr. AQ Khan who sold nuclear technology to half the world.

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Let me say once again it is impossible for taliban to stand against world best trained army ...


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But yes, I think it would be difficult for taliban to take over Pakistan as of now. Pakistan's Army is making some fast progress against Taliban in driving it out. But it remains to be seen whether Pakistan could sustain it and more importantly, whether Pakistan has finally realized its mistake in harbouring these terrorists or these are just forced step and would just revert once pressure eases off.
umeshtangnu
i hope it does not fall into hands of taliban
Nick2008
I don't think the nuclear arsenal will fall to the Taliban... yet. I guess only time will tell.
muzikeye
Pakistan will definatley give a hard time to taliban n at the end Taliban will fall down.
Taliban are not our citizen they have to leave Pak our home land or they will be killed.
Pak force doing its best in BUNER.Sultanwas and in other areas of MALAKAND.
Taliban have to leave pak[:X][Mad][Mad][Mad][Mad][Mad]
ocalhoun
muzikeye wrote:

Taliban are not our citizen they have to leave Pak our home land or they will be killed.

A disturbing point of view...
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
muzikeye wrote:

Taliban are not our citizen they have to leave Pak our home land or they will be killed.

A disturbing point of view...
Not when they are a threat as they obviously are. They have just been responsible for massive evacuations of Pakistanis who have lost their homes. They are a definite threat to safety and security in Pakistan and they have "bad intent" in mind.
matam
It's hard to say about its. Because it a long sotry about the war!
deanhills
matam wrote:
It's hard to say about its. Because it a long sotry about the war!
The stories are always long. Politicians are good with creating long stories Evil or Very Mad
ocalhoun
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
muzikeye wrote:

Taliban are not our citizen they have to leave Pak our home land or they will be killed.

A disturbing point of view...
Not when they are a threat as they obviously are. They have just been responsible for massive evacuations of Pakistanis who have lost their homes. They are a definite threat to safety and security in Pakistan and they have "bad intent" in mind.

Oh, I'm sure it is somewhat justified, but it is still disturbing to see "______ are not our citizen they have to leave _____ our home land or they will be killed."

What if the blanks were filled out differently?
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
deanhills wrote:
ocalhoun wrote:
muzikeye wrote:

Taliban are not our citizen they have to leave Pak our home land or they will be killed.

A disturbing point of view...
Not when they are a threat as they obviously are. They have just been responsible for massive evacuations of Pakistanis who have lost their homes. They are a definite threat to safety and security in Pakistan and they have "bad intent" in mind.

Oh, I'm sure it is somewhat justified, but it is still disturbing to see "______ are not our citizen they have to leave _____ our home land or they will be killed."

What if the blanks were filled out differently?
If the Taliban were harmless I could agree. But since they pose a real threat and have been responsible for the killing of many innocent people, I have empathy for anti-sentiment. In essence they are terrorists and are dealt with as terrorists. But agreed, if you would put different groups in the gaps that that would be disturbing.
icecool
ocalhoun wrote:
I wonder if US intelligence has the locations of all Pakistani nukes figured out yet...
No matter if they do or not, I'm sure they have a plan to rush in and secure them all at a moment's notice if Pakistan falls to the Taliban.

The possibility that the Taliban might get control of even a few of those nukes is probably #1 on US national security concerns right now, which is why they're so eager to help the Pakistanis defend themselves.


that makes us all feel alot safer.

american intelligence has an excellent reputation for getting their facts right so american military can rush in at a moments notice and sort it all out in no time at all.

i wonder what the dead, wounded and traumatised american service men being or having been in iraq and the population there has to say to that statement.
deanhills
icecool wrote:
that makes us all feel alot safer.

american intelligence has an excellent reputation for getting their facts right so american military can rush in at a moments notice and sort it all out in no time at all.

i wonder what the dead, wounded and traumatised american service men being or having been in iraq and the population there has to say to that statement.
Come off it Icecool. Iraq is becoming old hat now. It was a sin and a really bad decision to go in, but the US has been doing penance since 2004 and should be given credit for that too. Remember also that the US did not go in alone, so somewhere along the lines countries like the UK, Australia, Netherlands etc should be put in the dog box as well. I am an expat in the Middle East and must say that I sleep much safer at night knowing that the United States is around. I'm particularly relieved that they are paying attention to Pakistan too, as that is a potentially "explosive" country in every sense of the world. As well as very very unstable. Talk to Pakistanis and also to Indians, it is not such a good situation and worth every ounce of people's worries about it. When I arrived in the Middle East in 2001, expats were already leaving Pakistan in droves and it is a million times worse than it was in 2001. There are about no expats left in Pakistan.
hunnyhiteshseth
deanhills wrote:
I am an expat in the Middle East and must say that I sleep much safer at night knowing that the United States is around.


Well i agree with all your points except this one. Being an expat you surely will feel confortable knowing US is around, but consequently an average native resident will not and will mostly feel threatened. Moreover, giving a sense of security to expats can never be a reason to justify invading a neighbouring country!!!
arslanasif
Pakistan is going through a crucial time n we hope at the end of the day we'll come out wid only one word PEACE !
deanhills
hunnyhiteshseth wrote:
deanhills wrote:
I am an expat in the Middle East and must say that I sleep much safer at night knowing that the United States is around.


Well i agree with all your points except this one. Being an expat you surely will feel confortable knowing US is around, but consequently an average native resident will not and will mostly feel threatened. Moreover, giving a sense of security to expats can never be a reason to justify invading a neighbouring country!!!

I don't understand. Are you worried the US will be marching into India? I thought there was plenty of cooperation between the US and India under Singh's Government? To the point that people would feel positive about the US.
hunnyhiteshseth
deanhills wrote:
hunnyhiteshseth wrote:
deanhills wrote:
I am an expat in the Middle East and must say that I sleep much safer at night knowing that the United States is around.


Well i agree with all your points except this one. Being an expat you surely will feel confortable knowing US is around, but consequently an average native resident will not and will mostly feel threatened. Moreover, giving a sense of security to expats can never be a reason to justify invading a neighbouring country!!!

I don't understand. Are you worried the US will be marching into India? I thought there was plenty of cooperation between the US and India under Singh's Government? To the point that people would feel positive about the US.


hahaha. :lolz: :rofl: MAN no!! Laughing
I dont have any such fears, i know thats not even a possibility. What i was trying to say was from the perspective of other countries neighbouring Afganistan & Iraq. Say for example, Iran will feel threatened of military action from US even if US don't make any overt threats because Iran neighbours Iraq.
So I just meant that its all relative, an expat will always feel safe if its Army is around but a native will feel threatened by this.
deanhills
hunnyhiteshseth wrote:
deanhills wrote:
hunnyhiteshseth wrote:
deanhills wrote:
I am an expat in the Middle East and must say that I sleep much safer at night knowing that the United States is around.


Well i agree with all your points except this one. Being an expat you surely will feel confortable knowing US is around, but consequently an average native resident will not and will mostly feel threatened. Moreover, giving a sense of security to expats can never be a reason to justify invading a neighbouring country!!!

I don't understand. Are you worried the US will be marching into India? I thought there was plenty of cooperation between the US and India under Singh's Government? To the point that people would feel positive about the US.


hahaha. :lolz: :rofl: MAN no!! Laughing
I dont have any such fears, i know thats not even a possibility. What i was trying to say was from the perspective of other countries neighbouring Afganistan & Iraq. Say for example, Iran will feel threatened of military action from US even if US don't make any overt threats because Iran neighbours Iraq.
So I just meant that its all relative, an expat will always feel safe if its Army is around but a native will feel threatened by this.
Agreed. Iran is a real worry. However, I think the US will think a few times over before they tackle the country, along the lines you have just mentioned. The potential for completely destablizing the region is just enormous. I can imagine everyone has to be worried about the current civil disruption. This is probably a bad time as leaders would like to show their followers how strong they are in the international arena and may be less cautious than what is needed. Not so good times right now.
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