I personally want to walk round with a face mask on and gloves all the time, there are so many virus's and flu's out there people are constantly sick 
I hope the situation gets better and not worse and regards to all the people affected by this.
What are peoples thoughts on this and do you know anyone that has been affected by this? There are independent reports from doctors in Mexico that the flu has killed ten times more people than the Mexican gov't has reported. http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2008/s2553104.htm
Personally, I was just glad to see that the White House is taking the developments very seriously, immediately calling a press briefing on the issue and releasing stockpiles of flu medicine (but also urging people not to panic, symbolized by Obama going golfing!)
No Katrina-like sitting on their hands, fortunately.
Obama's day: Science, swine flu and the environment http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/04/66059651/1
Obama Admin. Releases Stockpile of Antiflu Virus Drug http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ColdandFluNews/story?id=7434061&page=1 I'm pretty relieved to not be living anywhere near mexico I personally believe it will get worse, unfortunately. The WHO current phase of pandemic alert is Phase 4, as soon as it reaches Phases 5 and 6 it will be a pandemic. It would probably climb everyday, so it's pretty scary.
Looks as though this flu is in Mexico and New York for now. Gosh, it is really awful to think that it is from pigs. Swine Flu. Sounds like a real worry, and strange that people are only dying in Mexico and not the States. Looks as though it is under control and the CDC in the US has plenty of drugs to treat it with. Wonder whether other countries will check on people coming from North America. Hope it gets contained soon.
This seems to be a good FAQ article on the flu:
http://health.yahoo.com/news/ap/med_healthbeat_swine_flu_q_a.html it's in NYC now too? Just imagine how fast it could spread from there. if it gets to JFK it could get to the entire world in less than 24h. I have no idea how contagious this swine flu is though, maybe it's not as contagious as that?
There's already been a case in the UK,with air travel this flu could be all over the world in no time.
| LimpFish wrote: |
| it's in NYC now too? Just imagine how fast it could spread from there. if it gets to JFK it could get to the entire world in less than 24h. I have no idea how contagious this swine flu is though, maybe it's not as contagious as that? |
It's very contagious. It travels by air. It's in NY, CA, TX (crap, I am in TX). If I remember correctly, the strain in the U.S. is a little different. It isn't as bad as the strain in New Mexico, yet. It is expected to get worse. I may be wrong. >.<;
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| New swine flu cases were also confirmed in Canada, Scotland, Spain and the U.S. |
- http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599189431400
Last edited by JessieF on Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:54 pm; edited 1 time in totalMy hometown is back in West Texas, on a border city, so I have never been so glad to be away at college!!
I much prefer the name Mexican to Swine Flu. People here in the Middle East do not even know what "swine" means.
Yahoo News gave the following report:
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| Outside Mexico, confirmed cases were reported for the first time as far away as New Zealand and Israel, joining the United States, Canada, Britain and Spain. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the U.S. has 66 confirmed cases in five states, with 45 in New York, one in Ohio, one in Indiana, two in Kansas, six in Texas and 11 in California. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/med_swine_flu
There is also a case that has been reported in Germany:
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BERLIN – Bavaria's health ministry says the first case of swine flu has been confirmed in Germany.
The ministry says Wednesday that the case was confirmed by the Robert Koch Institute, Germany's national disease control center.
It says in a brief statement that the case involves a patient in the Regensburg area, north of Munich. Further details are not immediately available.
Britain and Spain already have confirmed cases of the disease, which was first detected in Mexico and has now been found in several other countries worldwide. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_re_eu/swine_flu_world Is it true that virus mutations can also be done in laboratory and many of those viruses which have become big health hazard for mankind were actually created in lab (like HIV). I am not sure but if this is right, than the scientists carrying out the mutation may also know the chemicals that can cure the virus (kill it).
this is pretty scary. imagine if it starts spreading as crazy as some diseases did back in the 15th century... when a large fraction of at least the population of Europe died
| LimpFish wrote: |
| this is pretty scary. imagine if it starts spreading as crazy as some diseases did back in the 15th century... when a large fraction of at least the population of Europe died |
i'm close to 100% positive that the "swine flu" will not be like this.. or anything in my lifetime for that matter | jabce85 wrote: |
| LimpFish wrote: | | this is pretty scary. imagine if it starts spreading as crazy as some diseases did back in the 15th century... when a large fraction of at least the population of Europe died |
i'm close to 100% positive that the "swine flu" will not be like this.. or anything in my lifetime for that matter |
Agreed. Good to take precautions though. I decided not to do any air travel for a while for example. But yes, I doubt people will be dying in great numbers. At least we seem to be more in sync with swine than we are with birds? 
Read this.
This was only 90 years ago,and estimates of 30-50 million deaths worldwide. (this is worse case scenario obviously,there's no reason to believe that swine flu is a bad as the one above))
Last edited by truespeed on Fri May 01, 2009 8:21 pm; edited 1 time in total You should change the topic's name- it's not "Mexican flu", it's "Swine flu" or "Swine influenza". And it has existed since a long time ago, and was not generated in Mexico. Just my humble opinion 
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| You should change the topic's name- it's not "Mexican flu", it's "Swine flu" or "Swine influenza". And it has existed since a long time ago, and was not generated in Mexico. Just my humble opinion . |
Perhaps people know that the Mexican flu is Swine Flu, sounds nicer to me, but yes, probably could be confusing. I thought this was quite a recent strain though. How long has it existed? | deanhills wrote: |
| Ashtray wrote: | | You should change the topic's name- it's not "Mexican flu", it's "Swine flu" or "Swine influenza". And it has existed since a long time ago, and was not generated in Mexico. Just my humble opinion . |
Perhaps people know that the Mexican flu is Swine Flu, sounds nicer to me, but yes, probably could be confusing. I thought this was quite a recent strain though. How long has it existed? |
Indeed, this strain is pretty recent (Though it is said that it has been mutating for a long time). The first strain occured in 1930 and it has been changing ever since. | Ashtray wrote: |
| deanhills wrote: | | Ashtray wrote: | | You should change the topic's name- it's not "Mexican flu", it's "Swine flu" or "Swine influenza". And it has existed since a long time ago, and was not generated in Mexico. Just my humble opinion . |
Perhaps people know that the Mexican flu is Swine Flu, sounds nicer to me, but yes, probably could be confusing. I thought this was quite a recent strain though. How long has it existed? |
Indeed, this strain is pretty recent (Though it is said that it has been mutating for a long time). The first strain occured in 1930 and it has been changing ever since. |
Was it called swine flu then as well? I thought from the news reports I read that this was the first case of swine flu. | truespeed wrote: |
Read this.
This was only 90 years ago,and estimates of 30-50 million deaths worldwide. (this is worse case scenario obviously,there's no reason to believe that swine flu is a bad as the one above)) |
I think that in the past 90 years there have been certain advances in medicine and virology.
Google some statistics: more people die from 'the average' flu in the USA alone then have died from the "swine flu" since it's "outbreak". It's a flu, not some sci-fi killer virus.
Also, I think we could see much more similar events in the future - Mexico City is the largest city on earth, or the most populated to be precise. The hygiene conditions aren't perfect so it's no wonder that a virus evolved there. I'd expect to see similar stuff happening in china or india.I am aware that if that same flu from 1918 struck now, it wouldn't cause the same amount of deaths now as it did then,but i think it would still be catastrophic,maybe not so much in developed countries,but in undeveloped countries,i think the death toll would be pretty high.
As for this swine flu,so far the amount of deaths, don't seem to merit the amount of panic and media attention it seems to be getting,thats not to say we shouldn't be cautious,but in the UK all cases of swine flu so far have been fairly mild,and no worse than a regular flu virus.
the real scary thing is that the virus is a mutatione between a swine, bird and human virus and so far immune to all known antibiotics.
in my opinion it is juts another self goal by mankind. in the developed world we shoot ourselves full of anti this and that as soon as someone sneezes in the same town. our bodies have become immune over time to all that anti-med.
on the other hand viruses have been bombarded for a long time now with these anti-meds and in turn have adapted and mutaded into ever new strains. when will we come to the situation where there is a stand off?
viruses have been around alot longer than humans - maybe we should learn from that?
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the real scary thing is that the virus is [...] so far immune to all known antibiotics.
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^.^
Of course it's immune to all antibiotics... All viruses are immune to antibiotics.
What is swine flu?
It's flu that occurs in pigs. In rare cases, humans contract swine flu from close contact with pigs. The strain circulating now is cause for concern because it can pass directly from person to person. Like routine human flu, cases of swine flu can range from mild to severe.
Is the disease the same in Mexico and the U.S.?
The virus appears to be the same. But the disease has caused at least 20 deaths in Mexico, while it has appeared more mild in the 20 confirmed U.S. cases, with no deaths and most patients recovering without needing to be hospitalized. It's unclear why confirmed cases have been more severe in Mexico than in the U.S. A CDC official warned on Sunday that as cases continue to emerge in the U.S., some may prove fatal.
What are the symptoms?
Symptoms are similar to those of regular flu: fever, along with problems such as cough, sore throat, body aches, headaches, chills and fatigue. Some cases have also included reports of vomiting or diarrhea.
What should I do if I feel sick?
People with ordinary flu symptoms do not need to seek emergency care, New York City officials said. But people with certain warning signs in addition to basic symptoms should seek urgent attention. In children, those signs include difficulty breathing; bluish skin color; flu symptoms that begin to improve, then return with fever and worse cough; and fever with a rash. In adults, warning signs include difficulty breathing, pain or pressure in the chest or abdomen, sudden dizziness, confusion, and severe or persistent vomiting.
Can the swine flu be treated with drugs?
Two drugs, sold under the brand names Tamiflu and Relenza, are believed to reduce the severity and the duration of the disease. But most of the patients who contracted swine flu in the U.S. have recovered without taking the drugs. Both drugs have also been approved to reduce the risk of contracting the flu. But, unlike a vaccine, they do not provide long-lasting protection. So their preventive use is typically for short-term situations, such as for family members of someone who has the flu. The drugs, which are included in the federal government's pandemic stockpile, are only available with a doctor's prescriiption.
Does this year's flu vaccine protect against the swine flu?
The CDC says the seasonal flu vaccine is 'unlikely to provide protection' against the swine flu. The agency has created a 'seed vaccine' specifically tailored to this swine flu. That could be used to manufacture a targeted vaccine if officials deem it necessary to do so. But manufacturing a new vaccine would take months.
Are there ways to reduce the spread of disease?
Cover your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze. Wash your hands often. Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Avoid close contact with infected people. People who have mild symptoms should stay home from school or work until 48 hours after the symptoms have passed, to avoid spreading disease, New York health officials said.
| truespeed wrote: |
I am aware that if that same flu from 1918 struck now, it wouldn't cause the same amount of deaths now as it did then,but i think it would still be catastrophic,maybe not so much in developed countries,but in undeveloped countries,i think the death toll would be pretty high.
As for this swine flu,so far the amount of deaths, don't seem to merit the amount of panic and media attention it seems to be getting,thats not to say we shouldn't be cautious,but in the UK all cases of swine flu so far have been fairly mild,and no worse than a regular flu virus. |
But look:
First - microbiology or what the branch of biology dealing with germs and viruses is called has advanced much over 90 years. Very much. Communications have also advanced a million-fold. It is easier to see all the flight to and from mexico, you can check each and every passenger (if they used a real passport 
). IMHO quick communications are able to provide quick quarantines and quick reaction to a virus-pandemic because the virus is able to be stopped while in the incubation phase.
If it was 1918 then people would be able to travel all around freely, not get checked, news and information between doctors would be traded... every couple of days or even weeks (today it takes seconds).
It's just a flu, it can spread quickly, but we still have ways to handle it.
But yeah, the media make too much panic and we use too much meds and the viruses and germs get increasingly resilient to them. | c'tair wrote: |
| truespeed wrote: | I am aware that if that same flu from 1918 struck now, it wouldn't cause the same amount of deaths now as it did then,but i think it would still be catastrophic,maybe not so much in developed countries,but in undeveloped countries,i think the death toll would be pretty high.
As for this swine flu,so far the amount of deaths, don't seem to merit the amount of panic and media attention it seems to be getting,thats not to say we shouldn't be cautious,but in the UK all cases of swine flu so far have been fairly mild,and no worse than a regular flu virus. |
But look:
First - microbiology or what the branch of biology dealing with germs and viruses is called has advanced much over 90 years. Very much. Communications have also advanced a million-fold. It is easier to see all the flight to and from mexico, you can check each and every passenger (if they used a real passport ). IMHO quick communications are able to provide quick quarantines and quick reaction to a virus-pandemic because the virus is able to be stopped while in the incubation phase.
If it was 1918 then people would be able to travel all around freely, not get checked, news and information between doctors would be traded... every couple of days or even weeks (today it takes seconds).
It's just a flu, it can spread quickly, but we still have ways to handle it.
But yeah, the media make too much panic and we use too much meds and the viruses and germs get increasingly resilient to them. |
Regardless of advances in micro biology or what ever,the 1918 strain of flu was very deadly,and with the amount of people travelling today compared to back then,if the same strain was released into the world now,the spread would be a lot quicker and more far reaching.
We couldn't even keep the swine flu strain, quarrantined in Mexico,what makes you think we could quarrentine a more deadly strain?
Like i said in an earlier post,perhaps in the developed world we could limit its deadliness,but in the undeveloped world,whats to stop it killing as many today as it did back then. | deanhills wrote: |
| Ashtray wrote: | | deanhills wrote: | | Ashtray wrote: | | You should change the topic's name- it's not "Mexican flu", it's "Swine flu" or "Swine influenza". And it has existed since a long time ago, and was not generated in Mexico. Just my humble opinion . |
Perhaps people know that the Mexican flu is Swine Flu, sounds nicer to me, but yes, probably could be confusing. I thought this was quite a recent strain though. How long has it existed? |
Indeed, this strain is pretty recent (Though it is said that it has been mutating for a long time). The first strain occured in 1930 and it has been changing ever since. |
Was it called swine flu then as well? I thought from the news reports I read that this was the first case of swine flu. |
Yes, yes it was- In fact, my grandfather claims to have suffered from swine flu in the past... so . | Ashtray wrote: |
| Yes, yes it was- In fact, my grandfather claims to have suffered from swine flu in the past... so . |
There was also an outbreak of Swine Flu in 1979, which they were sure was going to become a pandemic and kill a whole lot of people. It didn't. I just love the way the media says "don't panic", and in the same breathe they say "it could potentially kill millions".
The normal flu virus kills about 36,000 people in America every year. So far 1 person in America has died from the recent Swine Flu. Less than 200 world-wide have died from it.
I think peoples' fear of getting sick, and the precautions they take, are what end up making people less immune to things like this. If you walk around with a mask and gloves all the time, then you will be subjected to far less airborne germs. At this point, your body will become accustomed to less foreign germs, and your immune system will forget how to fight them off. So when you do finally get sick, you'll suffer even worse for it, as your body no longer has the capacity to fight these germs the way it should.
This H1N1 virus isn't any worse this time around than it has been in the past. People are just alot more paranoid these days.The media is completely taking this out of proportion, IMO. At least in the United States, there have only been mild cases of the swine flu (NOT the "Mexican" flu) and almost all the patients have made full recoveries. The only people who are actually vulnerable and should take steps to protect themselves are those who have suppressed or weakened immune systems, like the elderly. In fact, the main flu that goes around kills way more people than the swine flu, and it's basically the same symptoms anyways.
| Insanity wrote: |
| The only people who are actually vulnerable and should take steps to protect themselves are those who have suppressed or weakened immune systems, like the elderly. |
Actually, the strange thing about this one is that the people who seem to be having the worst cases are the young and healthy. It's not having nearly as bad an effect on the old or infants as a normal flu. This is part of the reason the media is giving it more coverage. | Solon_Poledourus wrote: |
| Insanity wrote: | | The only people who are actually vulnerable and should take steps to protect themselves are those who have suppressed or weakened immune systems, like the elderly. |
Actually, the strange thing about this one is that the people who seem to be having the worst cases are the young and healthy. It's not having nearly as bad an effect on the old or infants as a normal flu. This is part of the reason the media is giving it more coverage. |
That's what happened with the 1918 strain,it didn't affect the old or the young,it only killed young adults,it was their strong defence systems which aided in their deaths. | truespeed wrote: |
| Solon_Poledourus wrote: | | Insanity wrote: | | The only people who are actually vulnerable and should take steps to protect themselves are those who have suppressed or weakened immune systems, like the elderly. |
Actually, the strange thing about this one is that the people who seem to be having the worst cases are the young and healthy. It's not having nearly as bad an effect on the old or infants as a normal flu. This is part of the reason the media is giving it more coverage. |
That's what happened with the 1918 strain,it didn't affect the old or the young,it only killed young adults,it was their strong defence systems which aided in their deaths. |
I did not realize that the swine flu was only hitting the young or people with robust immune systems. Wonder whether the effect will be lasting and re-occurring for those who recover?The media engaged in yellow journalism, they OVER-exaggerated the swine flu. It has only killed 1 person in the US, that's about 0.00000000333...% of the US population. 101 (suspected) people have died in total in the world, that's about 0.000000014875% of the world population. So by numbers, it isn't big at all. This is just the regular flu, just no one's immune to it. With proper care and treatment, it will feel no different than the regular bad case of the flu. More people die per year from regular influenza than the current number who died from swine flu.
What makes me wonder the most is, how did this thing mutate in the first place?
| Nick2008 wrote: |
| The media engaged in yellow journalism, they OVER-exaggerated the swine flu. |
Please give an example of when the media didn't over-exaggerate something... | Nick2008 wrote: |
The media engaged in yellow journalism, they OVER-exaggerated the swine flu. It has only killed 1 person in the US, that's about 0.00000000333...% of the US population. 101 (suspected) people have died in total in the world, that's about 0.000000014875% of the world population. So by numbers, it isn't big at all. This is just the regular flu, just no one's immune to it. With proper care and treatment, it will feel no different than the regular bad case of the flu. More people die per year from regular influenza than the current number who died from swine flu.
What makes me wonder the most is, how did this thing mutate in the first place? |
I'm not quite with you on this one Nick. This is not just about people who have already died, but potentially people that can still die. People are concerned that this could easily turn into a pandemic flu. If 1 person can die from the flu, then it is easy for many more to take off along virus lines. Viruses also seem to adapt and change their strains.
Where they have exaggerated however was certainly in China when they quarantined people from Mexico even when they were showing no signs of the virus. I think that however comes from ignorance and lack of proper equipment to test for likelihood of viruses. | truespeed wrote: |
| c'tair wrote: | | truespeed wrote: | I am aware that if that same flu from 1918 struck now, it wouldn't cause the same amount of deaths now as it did then,but i think it would still be catastrophic,maybe not so much in developed countries,but in undeveloped countries,i think the death toll would be pretty high.
As for this swine flu,so far the amount of deaths, don't seem to merit the amount of panic and media attention it seems to be getting,thats not to say we shouldn't be cautious,but in the UK all cases of swine flu so far have been fairly mild,and no worse than a regular flu virus. |
But look:
First - microbiology or what the branch of biology dealing with germs and viruses is called has advanced much over 90 years. Very much. Communications have also advanced a million-fold. It is easier to see all the flight to and from mexico, you can check each and every passenger (if they used a real passport ). IMHO quick communications are able to provide quick quarantines and quick reaction to a virus-pandemic because the virus is able to be stopped while in the incubation phase.
If it was 1918 then people would be able to travel all around freely, not get checked, news and information between doctors would be traded... every couple of days or even weeks (today it takes seconds).
It's just a flu, it can spread quickly, but we still have ways to handle it.
But yeah, the media make too much panic and we use too much meds and the viruses and germs get increasingly resilient to them. |
Regardless of advances in micro biology or what ever,the 1918 strain of flu was very deadly,and with the amount of people travelling today compared to back then,if the same strain was released into the world now,the spread would be a lot quicker and more far reaching.
We couldn't even keep the swine flu strain, quarrantined in Mexico,what makes you think we could quarrentine a more deadly strain?
Like i said in an earlier post,perhaps in the developed world we could limit its deadliness,but in the undeveloped world,whats to stop it killing as many today as it did back then. |
It was back then but now people have more knowledge about the workings of a virus.
It doesn't matter if the flu got spread from mexico, because, from what I know, the governments started checking out EVERYONE that came from mexico or had contact with such people - that's why after a few days of mexico news we got stories from spain, poland, england and some other countries. Think back then - the flu might have spread unhindered by man. Now people would at least have tools and knowledge to stop it. Of course, this only applies to USA, Europe and some asian countries, because if the flu attacked africa... Then it would kill millions. | c'tair wrote: |
| It doesn't matter if the flu got spread from mexico, because, from what I know, the governments started checking out EVERYONE that came from mexico or had contact with such people - that's why after a few days of mexico news we got stories from spain, poland, england and some other countries. Think back then - the flu might have spread unhindered by man. Now people would at least have tools and knowledge to stop it. Of course, this only applies to USA, Europe and some asian countries, because if the flu attacked africa... Then it would kill millions. |
Agreed, the US also has the Centre for Infectious Diseases, probably the most advanced Centre in the world. This is their Website for the Swine Flu:
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/will be travllig to the states this month, hope to survive it
| LimpFish wrote: |
| I'm pretty relieved to not be living anywhere near mexico :) |
I live about 90 miles (which is about 1.5 hours driving) away from Mexico and have not seen anyone sick... So just because you live near Mexico doesn't mean that you're in high risk (although I'm sure that some of the more populated areas closer to LA (I'm a little ways out of Los Angeles, California) are worse...Does antone know what's the situation like in Ney york? I have to travel there in July.
| Ashtray wrote: |
| Does antone know what's the situation like in Ney york? I have to travel there in July. |
You can check the US Government Website below:
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/update.htm#statetable
New York has the third most cases in the US after Illinois and Wisconsin. I would imagine that by July things will be back to normal, that is still a long time into the future. | Ashtray wrote: |
| Does antone know what's the situation like in Ney york? I have to travel there in July. |
best way to find out if you are worried is to do a google or yahoo news search before you go.
but the virus may be travelling to where you are quicker then that - with the global movement of people all the time we have seen over the last few weeks cases popping up all over the place. | icecool wrote: |
| Ashtray wrote: | | Does antone know what's the situation like in Ney york? I have to travel there in July. |
best way to find out if you are worried is to do a google or yahoo news search before you go.
but the virus may be travelling to where you are quicker then that - with the global movement of people all the time we have seen over the last few weeks cases popping up all over the place. |
I find the greatest risk in actual travel, then after that big cities, but travel has to be No. 1 risk for me. Especially when one considers that the air ventilation in airplanes is alwasy limited, and this is the one place where people always seem to catch the flu. It's flu that occurs in pigs. In rare cases, humans contract swine flu from close contact with pigs. The strain circulating now is cause for concern because it can pass directly from person to person. Like routine human flu, cases of swine flu can range from mild to severe.
Symptoms are similar to those of regular flu: fever, along with problems such as cough, sore throat, body aches, headaches, chills and fatigue. Some cases have also included reports of vomiting or diarrhea.
People with ordinary flu symptoms do not need to seek emergency care, New York City officials said. But people with certain warning signs in addition to basic symptoms should seek urgent attention. In children, those signs include difficulty breathing; bluish skin color; flu symptoms that begin to improve, then return with fever and worse cough; and fever with a rash. In adults, warning signs include difficulty breathing, pain or pressure in the chest or abdomen, sudden dizziness, confusion, and severe or persistent vomiting.
Two drugs, sold under the brand names Tamiflu and Relenza, are believed to reduce the severity and the duration of the disease. But most of the patients who contracted swine flu in the U.S. have recovered without taking the drugs. Both drugs have also been approved to reduce the risk of contracting the flu. But, unlike a vaccine, they do not provide long-lasting protection. So their preventive use is typically for short-term situations, such as for family members of someone who has the flu. The drugs, which are included in the federal government's pandemic stockpile, are only available with a doctor's prescriiption.
The CDC says the seasonal flu vaccine is 'unlikely to provide protection' against the swine flu. The agency has created a 'seed vaccine' specifically tailored to this swine flu. That could be used to manufacture a targeted vaccine if officials deem it necessary to do so. But manufacturing a new vaccine would take months.
Cover your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze. Wash your hands often. Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Avoid close contact with infected people. People who have mild symptoms should stay home from school or work until 48 hours after the symptoms have passed, to avoid spreading disease, New York health officials said.
| bsbteng wrote: |
| Cover your nose... |
You could have put all that info in one post. Way to score some Fri$ though.
