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The USA isn't the only one getting tired of war...

 


ocalhoun
London Times
April 15, 2009
Quote:

We're Sick Of War: A Taleban Leader Risks His Life To Point Out A New Route To Peace

By Tom Coghlan, in Kabul

Facing another bloody summer of fighting in Helmand province, the Taleban commander uttered words that could cost him his life. “We all want peace. We want to put down our guns,” he said quietly.

A powerfully built man with a flowing beard and a disarmingly soft voice, Commander Mansoor is — according to checks with Western and Afghan sources — a mid-level Taleban commander from southern Helmand, part of the bloody insurgency fighting against US and British troops in Afghanistan.

At a meeting with The Times arranged by tribal intermediaries, however, he painted a picture of war weariness and of local communities desperate to find a way to escape a war that is seemingly without end.

As the conflict enters its eighth summer Nato is hoping that it can exploit such popular disillusion. Mullah Mansoor (not his real name), however, is simply looking for a way out. “Local people do not like the Taleban or the Western forces, they even don’t like us local Taleban” he conceded. “They say to us, ‘if you want to go to Paradise fight in the desert, fight in the mountains but don’t fight in my house’. My wish is just to have peace and security in my area.”

It is hard to assess the prevalence of such feelings within the Taleban in parts of the south of Afghanistan. There are signs, however, that the insurgency is suffering internal turmoil brought on by opposition from local communities who blame all sides for the ceaseless fighting and more than 2,000 civilian deaths last year.

A tribal elder linked to Mullah Mansoor said that ten villages were ready to support him if he was able to deliver a deal with the Afghan Government that would bring local peace. “The Taleban will attack us but we have a lot of people and a lot of guns,” Mullah Mansoor said.

Other tribal elders in Helmand told The Times that communities were terrified by the prospect of US reinforcements and an increase in fighting. Some have been petitioning the Helmand Governor, promising to keep out the Taleban themselves if Western forces promise not to conduct operations in their areas, though there are suggestions that this is a tactic to protect the local drugs trade or even to buy local insurgents respite from attack.

The offers have echoes of the “Musa Qala deal” of 2006 in which British troops withdrew after receiving assurances that local tribes would prevent the Taleban from taking control. That deal was opposed by US officials and failed after four months, with the Taleban seizing the town.

Since then there have been persistent reports that the Taleban is worried that its credibility is being damaged, not just by the anarchy and violence the war has unleashed but also by charges of criminal behaviour. “There is a very big increase in the number of criminals in the Taleban in Helmand,” Mullah Mansoor said. “When someone grows poppy and the Government tries to stop him he says ‘I am a Taleb, you can’t touch me’. When he is a robber he says ‘I am a Taleb, you can’t touch me’; when he kills someone he says ‘I am a Taleb, you can’t touch me’.” It is a charge that undermines the Taleban’s strongest suit: its reputation for bringing security and impartial, if brutal, justice.

Some analysts now believe that Nato could make significant gains by playing on such concerns. “At a district level communities are saying to the Taleban, ‘we are Taleban supporters, we have this district for the Taleban, now please keep your fighters out of this area’,” says Martine van Bijlert, a director of the Kabul-based Afghanistan Analysts Network.

Britain and America have both in recent weeks publicly stated their support for attempts to peel away what are regarded as moderate elements within the insurgency but it is not clear how that will be achieved in practice, considering the decentralised nature of the Taleban. In Helmand the British Government is supporting a shift towards a bottom-up approach to local government that seeks to empower local tribal leaders. With British support the “Afghan social outreach programme” has recently created paid councils of local elders in the Nad Ali and Garmser districts of Helmand. British diplomats talk about the “grassroots legitimacy” that these structures have quickly acquired.

It is part of a significant refocusing away from strong central government development, which has been beset by corruption and incompetence, and the early signs in southern Helmand offer some encouragement. “Local people in Garmser are happy, they see progress,” claimed Haji Mahboob Khan, an Afghan senator from Garmser. “Garmser is now the most stable district in the province.”

Further north, in Wardak province, American forces are supporting the development of village defence forces as military commanders look for a way to replicate the impact of the “Sons of Iraq” militias that dramatically altered the power of Iraq’s insurgency.

Last Wednesday, though, the US envoy to the region, Richard Holbrooke, complained that Western intelligence services were still ignorant of the inner workings of the insurgency.

The Taleban is working to counter the damage to its reputation caused by indiscipline within its ranks. The movement conducted a reshuffle of its shadow government provincial governors in January. One Helmand Taleban commander told The Times: “The leadership has even killed some Taleban commanders for being criminal.”

“There is no control for the Taleban or for the Government,” says Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, a former Taleban minister regarded as one of the movement’s few serious intellectuals. “There is no justice. This is even worse than 1994 [when Afghanistan collapsed into factional anarchy].”

Figures such as Mullah Mansoor profess little enthusiasm for staying within the Taleban. “People want reconstruction of the area but the Taleban won’t allow it. The people ask us [the Taleban] to leave and they want to form their own government,” he said. “My last message is that all our tribe want is peace.”


Apologies for posting the entire article, but it was impossible for me to make a link to it, because it was on a secure site.

With attitudes like the ones this article exposes, perhaps the war in Afghanistan isn't unwinnable after all. Perhaps they'll realize that being entirely peaceful will make the US troops go home faster than killing them will...
liljp617
Or perhaps this guy will be dead in less than a week.
ocalhoun
liljp617 wrote:
Or perhaps this guy will be dead in less than a week.

ocalhoun wrote:

Quote:

the Taleban commander uttered words that could cost him his life. “We all want peace. We want to put down our guns,” he said quietly.

That's how they stay in power... Anybody who speaks out against them is a prime target. Between the terrorists threatening to kill anyone who helps the US, and the US threatening to kill anybody who helps the terrorists, being neutral starts to look like a very good option when the balance of power shifts from day to day in any given place.
liljp617
Is he neutral?

I could be mistaken, but they seem to have as much an ideology of "if you're not with us, you're against us" as the US does.

I don't believe most of the people he was/is involved with are very rational. I can't see them thinking of this as anything except surrender...which I don't think they're fond of, even if it means their life.
yuxuan
in fact ,no one like war. however, there is difference ,there is war. it is hard for people to accept things that are different. maybe people just believe themselves.
coolclay
We can only hope and pray that attitudes like this catch on and spread throughout the population. Unfortunately there are those still in the government whom feel the need to dictate their beliefs and islamic extremism throughout the country. Did anyone here about the law they recently passed requiring shiite women to have sex with their husbands at least once every four days, or something like that. Luckily it was quickly repealed after public outcry and protesting. Afghanistan is changing it's just a slow process.
handfleisch
coolclay wrote:
We can only hope and pray that attitudes like this catch on and spread throughout the population.


I agree. What we need is a Marshall Plan for Afghanistan like in Europe after WW2, overwhelming investment in the region. I think then the moderate forces in the country could prevail. But unfortunately the US spent itself into near bankruptcy with the invasion and occupation of Iraq, so it doesn't have the money to build up Afghanistan.
deanhills
I would not attach value to his point of view except in the moment when he spoke it. By evening he may have a completely different point of view. Think war is like that. Little time to philosophize, more something of action, and things changing all the time. Perhaps he was a little weary, and come later someone he really cares about talked to him, and by late evening he was gung-ho again. I find this in the Middle East as well. Memories of what people have said, including their own, stretch for about a day. If you should refer them to what they said two weeks ago, they would look at you with a vacant look on their faces. We as Westerners often mirror our own systematic way of thinking things out on other cultures. Attention spans over here are much shorter and changing all the time.
Fake
he will be dead and no one will ever hear about him
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