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Abdul Khaleek Madrasi, Vice Rector, Darool Uloom Deoband which is one of India's prestigious Islamic university and religious study centre clarified that India is a "Habitat of Peace" and is Islam-friendly. He also stated that, if required, he will issue a fatwa in this regard.
Darool Uloom Deoband from Utter Pradesh, India is an authority about Islamic religious matters for Indian Muslims.
Abdul Khaleek also pointed out that as India offers constitutional right for Muslims to choose the Govt. they want. One country should be considered as against Islam only if it prohibits right of prayers for Muslims. But India offers all freedom for prayers and worship for all religious faiths.
He concluded his statement by saying that there is no need of Jihad in India soil.
Earlier, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (International Hindu Association), a un-official Hindu organization requested 13 Islamic groups in India to stop treating Hindus as "Khafir".
Source : Malayala Manorama news paper, Feb 14, 2009 (sorry, a web source is not available with me at the moment. When I receive one, I will publish it here)
In other news, Frihost's population has grown weary of having a new thread about just how great(ly exaggerated) India is every second day.
Think the article was more about religion than how great India is. It's obviously biased towards Muslims saying that it has a special place in India. Probably not a good article to publish in India, as can imagine it must have upset Hindus, who are clearly the majority religion in India. There are also serious problems of conflict between the two religions. Like flying a red flag in front of a bull.
What is the point of the article Vineeth and why did you think it was important for Frihosters to take note off the contents?
| deanhills wrote: | Think the article was more about religion than how great India is. It's obviously biased towards Muslims saying that it has a special place in India. Probably not a good article to publish in India, as can imagine it must have upset Hindus, who are clearly the majority religion in India. There are also serious problems of conflict between the two religions. Like flying a red flag in front of a bull.
What is the point of the article Vineeth and why did you think it was important for Frihosters to take note off the contents? |
Yes, this news has got some special importance for a country which treats religion as one of the primary concerns in life and as this country is the world's largest democracy, events here will influence tomorrows world either directly or indirectly.
It is a fact that after the 9/11 attack and recent Mumbai attack, Muslims of India were facing some sort of fear. One of my Muslim friend told me recently that even the cops are behaving strange towards young men with Muslim names. Political parties used the situation at its best and there developed a feel among some Indians that Muslims are always silent about the terrorist attacks against India.
Distrust is a serious issue when we are living in a society, especially where every third person you meet will be of some other faith, language and culture. The nation was in strong need of such daring words from a man like Mr. Abdul Khaleek that every faith is safe here and this is not a place to fight over religion.
So the next time you hear a news from India about religious violence, please note that its not religions fighting each other or one is trying to predominate another. I am shy to say, but they will happen again in India. The culprit is lack of education, misuse of incidents for political gains and lack of knowledge about their own religion.
People outside Asian sub continent may not understand the significance of such "words" but you will know how important a small word has when it comes to the roots of our ego, here in India, religion is just next to it.
I do not understand why you are saying that I am trying to "glorify" India! I just wanted to know the community what is going on here and expect your inputs about them so that I will get a different view on the issue. If someone feels that its "glorification", I am sorry to say - How is your vision, thus will be your world.
| vineeth wrote: | | So the next time you hear a news from India about religious violence, please note that its not religions fighting each other or one is trying to predominate another. I am shy to say, but they will happen again in India. The culprit is lack of education, misuse of incidents for political gains and lack of knowledge about their own religion. |
I'm a little confused. On the one hand you say religion is really big in India, and then you say the conflict there has nothing to do with religion, but with lack of education. I would have thought the real problem is lack of religious tolerance?
I will explain.
Religion is a big thing in India. And lack of proper education, both religious and secular, leads to conflicts. Tolerance is not the apt word to describe an Indian's mind towards other religions, it may be better called acceptance.
When people starts thinking that what they are thinking is only correct and everything else is ridiculous or sin, problems arises. After all, the people in general are not capable of understanding higher meanings of religion and philosophy. They just look at the skin of the fruit and fights over it but forgets the core. I believes that all religions are one and the same in its higher meanings and differences are there in the superficial aspects. Many Hindus, properly educated in Vedantic philosophy, realizes this and accepts all religions as valid. But when it comes to the general public, its not the case.
Secular education in India is free from religious elements and it follows the British pattern of education. A person receives scientific facts from the school and adulterated religious teachings from outside. This is true with Hindus, Christians and Muslims of India. They are being taught to them as something to be swallowed without using their brains. What they are getting is also not pure religious philosophy but stupid ideas like "If you believe in Jesus, you will reach heaven and if not hell". The same person learns from the school that we live on the surface of earth and there is no heaven or hell above us. And the result? Confusion...
The term acceptance is only applicable to those people in India who are knowledgeable about the oneness of reality, as stated in Vedantic literature, Holy Bible etc. For others religion is something like politics. They don't want God or something but want their views to be accepted and honored by all. Such people are here in all religions and as Hindus are 80% of population, their percentage is high among them.
Thanks Vineeth. I understand better now. With such an enormous population I can imagine it would have to be a gigantic undertaking to educate all its people in India. I believe there is a huge gap in India between those who are rich and those who are poor, and of course the poor are completely in the minority and perhaps poorly regarded by the rich as well. Quite a large percentage of the poor are battling to stay alive and shelter and food are their main objectives in life, education not imaginable for them. Disadvantaged people like that have to be susceptible to indoctrination by religious missionaries and spiritual indoctrination, religion has to be "an out" in the sense that it makes their life less miserable than it is.
Are there any programs in place in India for educating the poor?
Govt. of India, since form the time of independence, trying their best for providing education accessible for all. But, as you said, education often conflicts with fight for existence. The poor population is often suffering from ill health and the earning power of males in such families are often compensated. Children are forced to work to look after the family.
In India, primary education is free and is 'compulsory'. But it is not an easy problem that can be solved overnight as it includes so many factors, some of them are even historical.
Christian missionaries are doing a great job in promoting elementary and job-oriented education in India, especially in remote villages where other options are almost nil. But the number of real followers of Christ is decreasing in India, as it is so in all parts of the world. Some of them are 'investing' in poor people so that they can add one more number to the followers of Christ ! Apart from the increasing number of such persons, we have a large number of charitable institutions, run by missionaries and monks, which delivers a great service in the field of education, health care, social security etc.
On one side, some people are working hard for the benefit of all but on the other side, others are utilizing poverty and religious sentiments for financial, political and even psychological gains.
But the situations are changing in India. Now people are more educated and number of graduates are increasing each year. The thought that "I am here to live, at whatever cost" is changing slowly. People are realizing that everyone is important and all has got the same right of existence.
In Hinduism, charity is defined like this. We can't help anybody as me and others are god itself in essence. Then what I can do? I can offer my sincere service to the god in you so that I can feel the same god in me too. With this mindset, a Hindu can never think of gaining something in return, not even a word of thanks, for the service he offers to his fellow beings. But only a few understands this aspect of social service...
I am sure things will get better when the overall financial situation of the country is getting better, everything else will change.
| vineeth wrote: | | In Hinduism, charity is defined like this. We can't help anybody as me and others are god itself in essence. Then what I can do? I can offer my sincere service to the god in you so that I can feel the same god in me too. With this mindset, a Hindu can never think of gaining something in return, not even a word of thanks, for the service he offers to his fellow beings. But only a few understands this aspect of social service.... |
Sounds like real and sincere mutual respect between two human beings. I like this description. Almost like reverence for one another in that part of us that may most likely link us.
| Hogwarts wrote: | | In other news, Frihost's population has grown weary of having a new thread about just how great(ly exaggerated) India is every second day. |
So do you want to ban Indian topics?
| vineeth wrote: |
Darool Uloom Deoband from Utter Pradesh, India is an authority about Islamic religious matters for Indian Muslims.
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Just to correct the record: Deoband is in Uttrakhand and quite near the big city of Saharanpur.
This is a belt which is well known for some of the finest Madrassas or Islamic educational institutions.
But  a lesser known fact is that the Taliban is supposed to have been born in one of these Madrassas.
Cheers!
| atul2242 wrote: | | vineeth wrote: |
Darool Uloom Deoband from Utter Pradesh, India is an authority about Islamic religious matters for Indian Muslims.
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Just to correct the record: Deoband is in Uttrakhand and quite near the big city of Saharanpur.
This is a belt which is well known for some of the finest Madrassas or Islamic educational institutions.
But a lesser known fact is that the Taliban is supposed to have been born in one of these Madrassas.
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Uttrakhand state is a new state which came in to existance by taking portions of Himalayan lands and portions of Uttar Pradesh in 9 November 2000.
It is well known that the portion I am referring to has numerous Islamic religious centers. I have also read somewhere that Taliban tool shape from these training schools. But we should not judge all for the mistake of some. Religious extremists are there in every religion, even in Hinduism. But in Hinduism, extremists will kill themselves to the maximum and not others for not following their faith. When promising ideas are coming from the Muslim community, we must listen to them and appreciate them so that the following generations would not get misleaded.
When Darool Uloom Deoband declares India as an Islam-friendly country, the last defense of a terrorist, saying "I am in a Holy War", is challenged. The result? The next generation learns that there are people who commits crimes against the humanity in the name of Islam and this should not be allowed.
Every ray of hope is important...
[quote="vineeth"][quote="atul2242"] | vineeth wrote: |
Darool Uloom Deoband from Utter Pradesh, India is an authority about Islamic religious matters for Indian Muslims.
When promising ideas are coming from the Muslim community, we must listen to in an appreciate it so that the following generations would not get misleaded.
When Darool Uloom Deoband declares India as an Islam-friendly country, the last defence of a terrorist, saying "I am in a Holy War", is defeated. The result? The next generation learns that there are people who commis crimes against the humanity in the name of Islam and this should not be allowed.
Every ray of hope is important... |
Quite true!
no doubt in that, india has sheltered all religions from around the globe and we are a perfect example of peace. Let aside all the politically driven tensions and the illiteracy driven crudeness, if you come to the metropolitans, youll find that noone actually cares bout your religion. Love and Humanity is all that matters in the end.
| Chinmoy wrote: | | no doubt in that, india has sheltered all religions from around the globe and we are a perfect example of peace. Let aside all the politically driven tensions and the illiteracy driven crudeness, if you come to the metropolitans, youll find that noone actually cares bout your religion. Love and Humanity is all that matters in the end. |
Last I heard Hindus were in a total overwhelming majority in India (80%). Yet there is still conflict with Moslems in India and Pakistan. How can you say that India is a perfect example of tolerance in religious differences?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India
| deanhills wrote: | | Chinmoy wrote: | | no doubt in that, india has sheltered all religions from around the globe and we are a perfect example of peace. Let aside all the politically driven tensions and the illiteracy driven crudeness, if you come to the metropolitans, youll find that noone actually cares bout your religion. Love and Humanity is all that matters in the end. |
Last I heard Hindus were in a total overwhelming majority in India (80%). Yet there is still conflict with Moslems in India and Pakistan. How can you say that India is a perfect example of tolerance in religious differences?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India |
Well, let me try to explain the issue...
At first, let me tell you that there is no such a thing called "religious difference". This may be hard for a westerner to understand but simple for an Asian...
Religion is a word and every word has specific meanings for different communities. For a Hindu, religion means a way of life which enables him to advance spiritually and develop qualities that are conductive for his spiritual development. All Hindu rituals and festivals are crafted to serve this purpose. Swami Vivekananda once said that religion is experience and everything else are secondary details. To acquire the spiritual experience of all those self realized souls, including Jesus, Muhammad and Buddha, a Hindu is practicing his religion. For him, every road is a road to the supreme and every stone is a subject of worship.
One of the primary principle about Hinduism and Indian thought that the western world should recognize is that here we don't make difference between religions as it is done elsewhere. For a learned Hindu, Lord is present every there and he can be worshiped in every form and mindset, being the ultimate goal is to establish his identity with the divine reality.
Because of this absolute 'tolerance' or better, acceptance, India welcomed religions from all around the globe. Even today, about 79% of population are Hindus and one national party, the Bharathiya Janatha Party (BJP) is focusing on this vote bank. Till date, they were never succeeded in winning the elections with clear majority.
'People of India are Hindus and people of Pakistan are Muslims' is just a non-sense generalization. Both the countries shares a huge variety of religions and sub-religions. It is those who wanted to earn material benefits from conflicts spreads this message...
Here in India, we respect all religions and religions leaders as our own as this country is rich only in its spiritual heritage, according to modern ways of thought. We can better understand and utilize experiences of Jesus and Muhammad that any other communities in the world because of our age old spiritual heritage.
Then where is the problem? The problem is with certain people who tries to get material benefits out of religion and religious sentiments. This includes politicians, certain religious leaders with only book knowledge and no actual experience, extremist youngsters and other socio-economic issues like poverty, lack of jobs etc.
Indian Muslims are not just our brothers but the term 'our' includes them also. This is also true for all other denominations. But this philosophy cannot be easily digested by those with crooked minds and evil hearts... Its is up to them to comment.
| vineeth wrote: | Then where is the problem? The problem is with certain people who tries to get material benefits out of religion and religious sentiments. This includes politicians, certain religious leaders with only book knowledge and no actual experience, extremist youngsters and other socio-economic issues like poverty, lack of jobs etc.
Indian Muslims are not just our brothers but the term 'our' includes them also. This is also true for all other denominations. But this philosophy cannot be easily digested by those with crooked minds and evil hearts... Its is up to them to comment. |
Vineeth, I do not see any difference here with other countries. Conflict is conflict anywhere in the world and the people responsible for inciting these conflicts are pretty much the same everywhere in the world. The description of how people accept one another in your first paragraph is exactly how I experience life where I am in the Middle East. The description of people wishing to create conflict for own selfish reasons, be it religious or political, also the same. By the way there is no conflict where I am. We have total peace here, believe it or not and it is not a democratic country either. During the Palestine Israeli war in January local people held special Seminars for expats (if they wish to attend) to explain to them why they were upset. Collections were made everywhere for assistance, again peacefully.
| deanhills wrote: | | By the way there is no conflict where I am. We have total peace here, believe it or not and it is not a democratic country either. |
Wow an oasis in this world full of poison.
| deanhills wrote: | | vineeth wrote: | Then where is the problem? The problem is with certain people who tries to get material benefits out of religion and religious sentiments. This includes politicians, certain religious leaders with only book knowledge and no actual experience, extremist youngsters and other socio-economic issues like poverty, lack of jobs etc.
Indian Muslims are not just our brothers but the term 'our' includes them also. This is also true for all other denominations. But this philosophy cannot be easily digested by those with crooked minds and evil hearts... Its is up to them to comment. |
Vineeth, I do not see any difference here with other countries. Conflict is conflict anywhere in the world and the people responsible for inciting these conflicts are pretty much the same everywhere in the world. The description of how people accept one another in your first paragraph is exactly how I experience life where I am in the Middle East. The description of people wishing to create conflict for own selfish reasons, be it religious or political, also the same. By the way there is no conflict where I am. We have total peace here, believe it or not and it is not a democratic country either. During the Palestine Israeli war in January local people held special Seminars for expats (if they wish to attend) to explain to them why they were upset. Collections were made everywhere for assistance, again peacefully. |
I was trying to explain your question "How can you say that India is a perfect example of tolerance in religious differences? ".
My point is this, in India there is no 'other' religion for we accept every religion as explicitly valid. For this very reason, a Hindu offers his reverence towards Jesus and Muhammad in the very same way he used to worship his personal gods here. Being a Hindu, you can worship god in whatever forms as everything is his form and chant whatever name as every name is his name.
The foundation stone of Hinduism or Indian philosophical thought is oneness of reality or Advita as expounded in Vedas and other scriptures and as this is a very subtle and hard to grasp spiritual destination, people of different tastes are given different routes to choose from towards this goal. From this stand point, we can speak of the unification of religions, not tolerance or other western jugglery. We believes that Jesus and Muhammad reached the ultimate goal of humanity and thus they are one with the supreme god.
But as I said earlier, these are higher aspects of Hinduism and 90% of Hindus are not aware of these things. For them, Ram and Krishna are living gods! Do you know, on the introduction of our holy book 'Ramayana' it is stated that "this is just a story meant to convey a subtle philosophy and is not a real one". But people with lower intellect forgets this and fights over imaginary gods instead of concentrating on his spiritual growth and working to achieve purity of heart and clarity of thoughts.
Where are you coming from by the way, deanhills?
| vineeth wrote: | | Where are you coming from by the way, deanhills? |
I'm originally from one of the British colonies in Africa, emigrated to another colony in North America quite a long while ago, and have lived in the Middle East for the last seven years where I am working on contract. I have a close cousin in the United States as well as a favourite aunt, so feel close to the US too. Oh yes, then there is Frihost too 
| deanhills wrote: | | vineeth wrote: | | Where are you coming from by the way, deanhills? |
I'm originally from one of the British colonies in Africa, emigrated to another colony in North America quite a long while ago, and have lived in the Middle East for the last seven years where I am working on contract. I have a close cousin in the United States as well as a favourite aunt, so feel close to the US too. Oh yes, then there is Frihost too |
 Good international exposure !
| atul2242 wrote: | | Hogwarts wrote: | | In other news, Frihost's population has grown weary of having a new thread about just how great(ly exaggerated) India is every second day. |
So do you want to ban Indian topics? |
I don't know about him, but I surely want to ban all these [insert_countryname_here]- praise topics. And lately we have been doing so quite often.
And I am sorry to say but vineeth you have been frontrunner in it. From mathematics to history to religion you haven't left a single topic where you were not praising India.
Well I am also an Indian, and I know how proud we are of our country. But you must also remember how humble we Indians are and I am afraid but you are bordering on the side of being pompous.
Coming back on topic, officially India has no religion, so all this talk is waste.
| hunnyhiteshseth wrote: | | atul2242 wrote: | | Hogwarts wrote: | | In other news, Frihost's population has grown weary of having a new thread about just how great(ly exaggerated) India is every second day. |
So do you want to ban Indian topics? |
I don't know about him, but I surely want to ban all these [insert_countryname_here]- praise topics. And lately we have been doing so quite often.
And I am sorry to say but vineeth you have been frontrunner in it. From mathematics to history to religion you haven't left a single topic where you were not praising India.
Well I am also an Indian, and I know how proud we are of our country. But you must also remember how humble we Indians are and I am afraid but you are bordering on the side of being pompous.
Coming back on topic, officially India has no religion, so all this talk is waste. |
Although praising one's country work counter-productive in that people get irritated and side-tracted by it, there were some good points within those postings that one could talk about.
Where I am there is a very large group of Indians from all parts of India, and they have specific "religious" beliefs and celebrations. Quite a large percentage of Indians here are Moslem, then a good proportion Hindu, with quite a number of Christians too. So in my experience where I am, I cannot see India as a country with no religion. Sort of does not compute at all 
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Where I am there is a very large group of Indians from all parts of India, and they have specific "religious" beliefs and celebrations. Quite a large percentage of Indians here are Moslem, then a good proportion Hindu, with quite a number of Christians too. So in my experience where I am, I cannot see India as a country with no religion. Sort of does not compute at all |
As I said India has no religion but Indians have one.
| hunnyhiteshseth wrote: | | deanhills wrote: |
Where I am there is a very large group of Indians from all parts of India, and they have specific "religious" beliefs and celebrations. Quite a large percentage of Indians here are Moslem, then a good proportion Hindu, with quite a number of Christians too. So in my experience where I am, I cannot see India as a country with no religion. Sort of does not compute at all |
As I said India has no religion but Indians have one. |
Ahhhh so what is "the one" ... 
Real fun here... See how we are missing the original topic !
It is boring to explain the same thing always. But when it creates confusion, I have to do that again and again and again...
This topic was intended to serve the following purpose.
1. Spread the news that in the opinion of Abdul Khaleek Madrasi, Vice Rector, Darool Uloom Deoband, India is an Islam-friendly country.
2. To share my view about increasing terrorist attacks against India and defend the prejudistic attitude of many, even some Indians, towards the Muslim community that Islam supports terror because most terrorists are Muslims.
3. To conclude - Holy war against India, which is happening every second day here, is in fact, an unholy act.
All other stuff could be discussed in another topic or post.
About the religion of India, I have no comments.
To hunnyhiteshseth : Thanks for your compliment 
| deanhills wrote: | | hunnyhiteshseth wrote: |
As I said India has no religion but Indians have one. |
Ahhhh so what is "the one" ... |
I meant that by India's constitution, the Indian State has no religion but Indian people are free to choose one. So, that "the one" can be anything-- Hinduism, Sikhism, Islam, Christanity, Budhism, Jainism, Judaism,.........etc. and even, like in my case, atheism & agnosticism.
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To hunnyhiteshseth : Thanks for your compliment Wink
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That was not a compliment! That was an euphemism for saying "STOP!! CREATING INDIA SPECIFIC THREADS"
| hunnyhiteshseth wrote: | | I meant that by India's constitution, the Indian State has no religion but Indian people are free to choose one. So, that "the one" can be anything-- Hinduism, Sikhism, Islam, Christanity, Budhism, Jainism, Judaism,.........etc. and even, like in my case, atheism & agnosticism. |
Thanks Hunnyhiteshseth I understand now .... you were playing with my words
| hunnyhiteshseth wrote: | | deanhills wrote: | | hunnyhiteshseth wrote: |
As I said India has no religion but Indians have one. |
Ahhhh so what is "the one" ... |
I meant that by India's constitution, the Indian State has no religion but Indian people are free to choose one. So, that "the one" can be anything-- Hinduism, Sikhism, Islam, Christanity, Budhism, Jainism, Judaism,.........etc. and even, like in my case, atheism & agnosticism.
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To hunnyhiteshseth : Thanks for your compliment Wink
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That was not a compliment! That was an euphemism for saying "STOP!! CREATING INDIA SPECIFIC THREADS" |
Frihost forums are for open discussions. Everybody are free to create topics and posts here on any subject they feel good, as long as it does not violate the general terms of use.
The so called 'India specific' threads are not marked by any moderators as spam or against the general interest of the community. Instead, every thread tries to convey a specific and clear point about a subject which is not commonly transmitted to the international community through our media. You can have a close look at all such posts and learn how the conversations evolved and what was the result. It simply increased mutual respect and clarified a lot of misconceptions.
Then, religion, in my opinion is a personal affair. As 90% of the religious world population do not understand the higher meanings of religion, the same way many of the so called atheists do not know what they are trying to explain. Many of them simply says that "I haven't seen god, so I do not believe. Your belief in a god that I haven't seen is stupidity". This is nothing greater that the words of a common 'religious' person, "I believes that there is a god, so you too should do that. Else you will end up in hell !".
It is a strange world out there !
| vineeth wrote: | | every thread tries to convey a specific and clear point about a subject which is not commonly transmitted to the international community through our media. You can have a close look at all such posts and learn how the conversations evolved and what was the result. It simply increased mutual respect and clarified a lot of misconceptions. |
Agreed! My take on it as well ...
| vineeth wrote: | | hunnyhiteshseth wrote: | | deanhills wrote: | | hunnyhiteshseth wrote: |
As I said India has no religion but Indians have one. |
Ahhhh so what is "the one" ... |
I meant that by India's constitution, the Indian State has no religion but Indian people are free to choose one. So, that "the one" can be anything-- Hinduism, Sikhism, Islam, Christanity, Budhism, Jainism, Judaism,.........etc. and even, like in my case, atheism & agnosticism.
| vineeth wrote: |
To hunnyhiteshseth : Thanks for your compliment Wink
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That was not a compliment! That was an euphemism for saying "STOP!! CREATING INDIA SPECIFIC THREADS" |
Frihost forums are for open discussions. Everybody are free to create topics and posts here on any subject they feel good, as long as it does not violate the general terms of use. The so called 'India specific' threads are not marked by any moderators as spam or against the general interest of the community.
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Exactly. But that doesn't mean we start abusing this liberty to have open discussions.
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Instead, every thread tries to convey a specific and clear point about a subject which is not commonly transmitted to the international community through our media. You can have a close look at all such posts and learn how the conversations evolved and what was the result. It simply increased mutual respect and clarified a lot of misconceptions.
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See, i am not doubting your intentions, but the point is that instead of being pompous and creating new threads, we can instead clarify when and where we see these misconceptions. I feel that having this conception that all international community has a misconception about India is in itself a misconception.
You can continue creating such threads but you know what, after some 'n' number of threads, you will lose all credibility of talking about India because then people will assume that you will be pompous about India and even your correct arguments would be ignored. As we say here, Jo garajte hain, vo baraste nahi Essentially meaning that thunder clouds don't rain. So, instead of being pompous about our history we should work towards improving our present. We should make our self so strong that your so called "international community" is forced to change its view.
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.... you were playing with my words
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I guess I am getting better at" playing with other's words"!!.
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Then, religion, in my opinion is a personal affair. As 90% of the religious world population do not understand the higher meanings of religion, the same way many of the so called atheists do not know what they are trying to explain. Many of them simply says that "I haven't seen god, so I do not believe. Your belief in a god that I haven't seen is stupidity". This is nothing greater that the words of a common 'religious' person, "I believes that there is a god, so you too should do that. Else you will end up in hell !".
It is a strange world out there ! |
Those are pseudo-atheist. Atheism is not based on any beleive that god doesn't exist. It just says that "there is very less probability of existence of god" and it is just based on logic & reason. You give proof and atheists are ready to change their views which is not possible with religious fanatics. However, thats off-topic and that we can discuss in its specific thread.
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Frihost forums are for open discussions. Everybody are free to create topics and posts here on any subject they feel good, as long as it does not violate the general terms of use.
The so called 'India specific' threads are not marked by any moderators as spam or against the general interest of the community. Instead, every thread tries to convey a specific and clear point about a subject which is not commonly transmitted to the international community through our media. You can have a close look at all such posts and learn how the conversations evolved and what was the result. It simply increased mutual respect and clarified a lot of misconceptions.
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It is a strange world out there ! |
True and the right kind of approach.
Fair enough and rightly so!!
| deanhills wrote: | | vineeth wrote: | | every thread tries to convey a specific and clear point about a subject which is not commonly transmitted to the international community through our media. You can have a close look at all such posts and learn how the conversations evolved and what was the result. It simply increased mutual respect and clarified a lot of misconceptions. |
Agreed! My take on it as well ... |
True true
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