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500 Million jobs will be lost each month





jwellsy
Princess Pelosi has said several times that 500 million jobs will be lost each month if the socialist bill isn't pased in the next couple of days. Even after being told about her math error she still intentionally repeated the statement4 different times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVl2nqjLVeA

That is intentional fear mongering.

Hurry up, don't read it, just pass it, we're sure the WMD's are there.

Even the French scoff at this socialism.

This is the actions of a great unifier?

It is a change that non-tax payers can believe in.

Idiots!
hunnyhiteshseth
500 million = 0.5 billion. That means within a year, 6billlion people(almost whole world population including non-working population) will be unemployed. Laughing Yeah, I truly believe it!
liljp617
I really feel the need to cry at the fact that someone who supported the Bush Administration complains of fear mongering....
handfleisch
liljp617 wrote:
I really feel the need to cry at the fact that someone who supported the Bush Administration complains of fear mongering....

And of verbal flubs...
jmi256
I think this goes back to the stance of many Democrats that they know what is right for everyone else, and that we shouldn't worry about examining the issues or questioning authority.

Way back in November the Democrats threatened to put a huge tax/stimulus/bailout bill on Obama's desk on Inauguration Day. It was so important and that the future of the world hinged on Obama signing this pork bill right away before anyone was able to read or analyze it. (Please note the heavy sarcasm.) They were never able to answer the question of why it was so important for it to happen right away. Neither were they able to answer the question of if the bill was so important, why could it wait until the Inauguration. It seemed like a contradiction to me. Either it's extremely necessary and needed to be done ASAP, or it wasn't and should be well thought out.

Luckily they didn't follow through on their threat, and it has come to light that even some Democrats don't believe that the pork bill will do anything positive to simulate the economy, but will just stimulate the government. Rather they think they just need to do something.

Now that people have been able to actually look at the bill before having it forced upon them, it's coming to light that a lot of the bill is just waste and really isn’t well thought out. For example, the Democrats are using it as a pretense to reward organizations, like ACORN that campaigned for the Democrats, with lucrative deals, grants and contracts. Pretty convenient.

Fast forward to the present, and the Democrats are seeing their "reasonable" justification (again, sarcasm) for a no-review pass of the bill is being scrutinized. So you have the likes of Pelosi and Obama out there using emotional tactics, such as claiming that everyone will be unemployed, all businesses will fail, etc. in hopes of stroking fear.
liljp617
jmi256 wrote:
I think this goes back to the stance of many Democrats that they know what is right for everyone else, and that we shouldn't worry about examining the issues or questioning authority.


You had your 8 years, we'll have our years now.
jmi256
liljp617 wrote:
You had your 8 years, we'll have our years now.


I guess that's the "Change We Can Believe In."

It wasn't my eight years or anyone else's. It was ours as a country.

Since you want to bring this to the mud, I have to make a point. I always respected those who spoke up against things they believed in if they had some kind of compelling (hell, I'd even take coherent) argument other than "Bush/Republican/Conservatives/etc. are evil, 'nuff said." Most (not all) self-professed Democrats I have met have fallen into three categories, however.

The first category is populated by those who will hate Republicans and Conservatives just because they are different from them. Diversity of thought is a catchphrase that only pertains to "diverse" forms of speech they find pleasing. It's a small tent, however, and if you don't goosestep to the party line, watch out. When you challenge them (or even just ask them) on their "liberal ideology," they tend to convert their ignorance and prejudice to hate and emotional agitation. It's really hard to converse back and forth with these people because most discussions turn into silly arguments and personal attacks. (It's fun to watch them lose their minds though.)

The second category is populated by those who tend to be Liberal/Democratic in name, but once you ask them simple questions about their stances on policies, etc. it becomes apparent that they are just jumping on the bandwagon because "all their friends are doing it." Many of their true values and stances are Conservative values (less government intrusion and more personal freedom and responsibility, valuing life, whether it's in the trenches or the womb, true compassion for the poor that offers a hand up, not a hand out, etc.). These people tend to be younger, so there's hope for these people.

People I referenced in my first paragraph populate the third category. While I tend not to agree with their stances and views, I do respect them because they are well thought out. I'm usually able to peg these people because after conversing with them for a few moments it becomes clear that we both have the same aims, but jus different opinions on how to get there.

So when you come back with a post that simply states, "You had your 8 years, we'll have our years now," I suspect you don't fall into the third category.



(Caveat: I have to admit that I found myself getting caught up in the back and forth leading up to the election. Since then I’ve been trying pretty hard not to, however.)
liljp617
Not on these forums, I don't place myself in any of those categories. I'm somewhat of a different person face to face when it comes to politics and happily take time out to have debates/discussions.

Because I find it impossible (and I've quit trying as of late, although I never really tried on these particular forums) to have discussions with people like jwellsy. ie the "OBAMA HUSSEIN WANTS TO KILL AMERICA" and/or "BARRY HUSSEIN SUPPORTS TERRORISTS BY CLOSING GITMO." He's been doing it for at least a year; it's become old and not worth dealing with.

I did feel the need to point out the irony of the particular excerpt I quoted from your post, however.

That is

Quote:
I think this goes back to the stance of many Democrats that they know what is right for everyone else, and that we shouldn't worry about examining the issues or questioning authority.


As if that's not precisely what the Bush Administration and all the supporters of it did...on multiple issues.
deanhills
jmi256 wrote:
liljp617 wrote:
You had your 8 years, we'll have our years now.


I guess that's the "Change We Can Believe In."

It wasn't my eight years or anyone else's. It was ours as a country.


Agreed. The comment by liljp617 is possibly the kind that divides and the message is not a good one for the US. Most of all not good for the Democrats. As if that is going to be their general attitude, then they are not going to last that long. However, I prefer to think it is not their general attitude, as I did not find anything like that with Obama. He is trying to rally everyone together.

One of the good things about the US has been to have an opposition that is really strong at all times, so that decisions that are made would receive careful scrutiny. I hope that will continue as it would now be more necessary than ever before as we are having relatively inexperienced Government people right now, making enormous decisions, totally BIG ones, that will impact the people of the US for a long time to come.
ocalhoun
My stance on this has always been the same. Scrap the bill, and let the jobs be lost.
A naturally recovering economy will be far stronger than a patch job supported by the government.
deanhills
ocalhoun wrote:
My stance on this has always been the same. Scrap the bill, and let the jobs be lost.
A naturally recovering economy will be far stronger than a patch job supported by the government.


Absolutely! Let the Banks fail as well, as they are not working for the people of the US anyway. Why prop up things that are deceased, and will continue in a deceased state as long as they are artificially held together. The Banks have become too big to suit society and have to be rebuilt from scratch again. Otherwise the money that US citizens are voting for Banks will never reach them, or if it does, it will be in a diminished form. Not to mention that this would mean more Government, and a good capitalist system can only be harmed by more Government.
liljp617
ocalhoun wrote:
My stance on this has always been the same. Scrap the bill, and let the jobs be lost.
A naturally recovering economy will be far stronger than a patch job supported by the government.


For the most part. For now, this is the option I choose, but the future could change that a bit.
joomla
until the value of money is 0.. jobs will dissappear and money will be worth less every month.
Xanatos
If you ask me the media is the cause of this current economic downturn anyway. If you tell people that there is a horrible economic recession looming in the near future, they save money.... which is the exact opposite of what we want them to do.
deanhills
Xanatos wrote:
If you ask me the media is the cause of this current economic downturn anyway. If you tell people that there is a horrible economic recession looming in the near future, they save money.... which is the exact opposite of what we want them to do.


TOTALLY TRUE!!!!!! The UK is a very good example of this. Last year in December the gloom was almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy. And it is still ongoing. I think that gloom was already there before there had been any real reason for it. This recession is being fed and propelled by the media.
handfleisch
Xanatos wrote:
If you ask me the media is the cause of this current economic downturn anyway. If you tell people that there is a horrible economic recession looming in the near future, they save money.... which is the exact opposite of what we want them to do.


OMG. Yeah, it's the media's fault! If only we had media like in the former Soviet Union, telling us about the great success of the 5 year plans comrade, we wouldn't have any problems, just like they didn't... jeeeezzz.
lagoon
I always thought Nancy Pelosi was an idiot. This just confirms it.
deanhills
lagoon wrote:
I always thought Nancy Pelosi was an idiot. This just confirms it.


Looks as though the US had been voting for more than Obama without realizing it. Perhaps part of his support group consists of individuals like these. Will be interesting to see how he will be dealing with them when decision time comes around and he has to make unpopular decisions. Obviously he will not be able to stay popular all the time.
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