If he's out there,what is he doing exactly? since creating the universe,our planet and man,he seems to have gone a bit quiet on the old creating front,so what has he been up to since then? whats he up to now? What does God do all day?
What does God do all day?
May be he is just relaxing after such a hard work.
Sleeping.
If God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh, then he must still be sleeping.
Where do I get this from?
Well it's obvious (even though so many people want to deny it) that the world is much older than 6,000-10,000 years old. It's about 4.55 billion years. So a lot of old Earth Creationists want to claim that each day to God is millions of years; since the bible does not define what a day is. Therefore, each day to God must have been slightly more than 800 million years old. If he slept on the seventh day, he must still be sleeping.
But then again, the entire idea of God creating the world and universe seems like complete nonsense to me so I can't actually buy into what I just said, although it does make sense if you're really desperate to explain the Bible.
If God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh, then he must still be sleeping.
Where do I get this from?
Well it's obvious (even though so many people want to deny it) that the world is much older than 6,000-10,000 years old. It's about 4.55 billion years. So a lot of old Earth Creationists want to claim that each day to God is millions of years; since the bible does not define what a day is. Therefore, each day to God must have been slightly more than 800 million years old. If he slept on the seventh day, he must still be sleeping.
But then again, the entire idea of God creating the world and universe seems like complete nonsense to me so I can't actually buy into what I just said, although it does make sense if you're really desperate to explain the Bible.
He must of been awake 2000 years ago when he sent his son Jesus to earth.
Yes. But the time difference between Creation and Jesus' coming was only a few thousand years. Given that a day for God is about 800 million years, that few thousand years must have only been like a few seconds. He was getting ready for bed during those few thousand years and now he's asleep for the next 800 million years.
| truespeed wrote: |
| If he's out there,what is he doing exactly? since creating the universe,our planet and man,he seems to have gone a bit quiet on the old creating front,so what has he been up to since then? whats he up to now? What does God do all day? |
This question has an assumption you have probably not thought about.
1. God is IN time like us.
I do not know of any monotheistic religious view of God which would accept that view.
If you are talking about another 'notion' of God, you should define it, so your question can be understood.
Thanks.
| gcaughill wrote: | ||
This question has an assumption you have probably not thought about. 1. God is IN time like us. I do not know of any monotheistic religious view of God which would accept that view. If you are talking about another 'notion' of God, you should define it, so your question can be understood. Thanks. |
I don't think it really matters weather he is in time with us or not,if you take the bible version of God he created the wolrd in six days,so you have to assume they mean 6 earth days,which means God was in time with us then so its safe to assume he knows what an earth day is.. either way a long time has past since then .. so what has God been up to since.
i think hes probably playin chess with himself all day
that one was simple:
god is in every bedroom ! It is the number one hobby he/she has got!
On the other hand, God must be living everybodys life
god is in every bedroom ! It is the number one hobby he/she has got!
On the other hand, God must be living everybodys life
| gcaughill wrote: | ||
This question has an assumption you have probably not thought about. 1. God is IN time like us. I do not know of any monotheistic religious view of God which would accept that view. |
Now, of course, things get very confusing when you talk about God and time, because the explicit position is that God is timeless. That is normally taken to mean no beginning and no end. That does NOT mean, however, that God does not exist in our spacetime continuum - in fact we are frequently told that God is omnipresent within this continuum. So this leads to a notion of a God who is both in our spacetime and also outside it. You then get into a whole lot of Jesuitical theology to try and explain this, which is so ludicrous it isn't worth reiterating.
He is up there running the affairs of the world and executing His master plan to bring His children to the unity of the faith and the full stature of Jesus Christ.
| Greatking wrote: |
| He is up there running the affairs of the world and executing His master plan to bring His children to the unity of the faith and the full stature of Jesus Christ. |
Err..he/she/it isn't doing a very good job then. Surely an omnipotent God could do better, if the aim was to 'unify people in the Christian faith'?
As a teacher I would have to make the normal comment - could do better!
He has made himself available but only a few make use of that opprotunity. Can you help someone who does not want your help or acknowledge you.
| Greatking wrote: |
| He has made himself available but only a few make use of that opprotunity. Can you help someone who does not want your help or acknowledge you. |
Yep, I do it all the time - it is called teaching.
Well His is called "Free will"
| Greatking wrote: |
| Well His is called "Free will" |
So, if we have free-will then what is left for God to do? Clearly he doesn't make personal appearances and he doesn't seem to spend much time keeping things going (entropy increases without intervention and the planets keep going in their orbits without a push). He can't be intervening in the affairs of man - that would be interfering with free will. What is left?
I presume you believe that God intervenes for those that ask for help? I have to say that the evidence on that is poor to non-existent.
Man blew it, giving way to the devil to take over the world which was given to him (That came with free will to have power and dominion over every thing) by God. Now He is stuck with the responsibility of saving those who CHOOSE TO ACCEPT HIM. Its all about what you choose to believe and accept.
Well, if that is all that God does then it strikes me as a perfect candidate for automation. All you have to do is link your omniscient monitoring station to a simple database. When the monitoring station reports that a person has 'accepted Jesus' then you record an entry in the database in that person's record. Likewise, if the person rejects Jesus later, then you can automatically amend their record in the database.
Then you setup your 'soul catcher' so that it automatically directs the soul of the newly deceased by looking up their record in the database and routing the soul accordingly ('upwards' or 'downwards').
This would be a fairly straightforward IT application and could be implemented in no time (literally, since God could, presumably, stop the clocks during the implentation and testing phases). This would leave God in the role of supervisor and would certainly provide a great increase in efficiency....
Then you setup your 'soul catcher' so that it automatically directs the soul of the newly deceased by looking up their record in the database and routing the soul accordingly ('upwards' or 'downwards').
This would be a fairly straightforward IT application and could be implemented in no time (literally, since God could, presumably, stop the clocks during the implentation and testing phases). This would leave God in the role of supervisor and would certainly provide a great increase in efficiency....
| Greatking wrote: |
| Man blew it, giving way to the devil to take over the world which was given to him (That came with free will to have power and dominion over every thing) by God. Now He is stuck with the responsibility of saving those who CHOOSE TO ACCEPT HIM. Its all about what you choose to believe and accept. |
Sincerely hope you are wrong. Did I misunderstand your posting, as I had to read it a few times to figure out what it is saying? Man blew it, then because of that God gave the world to the Devil in the form of free will. And so those who win out against the devil and choose to believe and accept God will be OK? So how did man blow it? What did they do so terribly wrong to have such an extreme situation occurring? Also what happens to those who choose not to accept God?
| Greatking wrote: |
| Well His is called "Free will" |
Right... because telling us to worship him or burn in hell for all eternity really speaks to how much god values free will.
He values it (Free will) in the sense that he makes you choose. He tells you what to do to have eternal life and what happens to you if you take the contrary, now we cants deny the fact that there is CHOICE in between there can we? We just dont know what we need, since when did man really know what he needs?
^^The Bible has a lot of evidence against free-will actually. I'd hardly call threatening someone with Hell free-will. If I put a gun to someone's head and say, "Give me your wallet or I'll blow your brains out," it cannot be considered true free will. God is using scare-tactics to get what her wants. Sure you could refuse your wallet, but I'm not giving you an even choice. True free-will would be, "I want you to love me. If you love me, I'll send you to Heaven. If you don't love me, I'll still send you to Heaven (or vise-versa with Hell, or any alternative)."
What I just said is a very tricky semantic argument. One could argue that since we still have the choice, it's technically free-will. I'm under the impression that twisting someone's arm into doing something and threatening them with a horrible consequence (like death or Hell) does not offer true free-will. If you want to take the other side of the semantics deal, then I'll simply show you actual verses in the Bible where it's pretty much laid out that free will does not exist.
This is a good verse to start with because God is extremely explicit in his intentions of taking away free-will. How can you be set apart before birth, and then appointed to be a prophet without ever having consent? That's clearly not free-will.
Ahh... another person being appointed. I'd personally want to deny the position, but I guess that's not an option.
I'm getting lazy, so I'll just hurry and put a few verses where predestination is stated and then leave the pondering of the old question "Can free will and predestination coexist" up to you. Have fun.
What I just said is a very tricky semantic argument. One could argue that since we still have the choice, it's technically free-will. I'm under the impression that twisting someone's arm into doing something and threatening them with a horrible consequence (like death or Hell) does not offer true free-will. If you want to take the other side of the semantics deal, then I'll simply show you actual verses in the Bible where it's pretty much laid out that free will does not exist.
| Jeremiah 1:5 NIV wrote: |
| Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. |
This is a good verse to start with because God is extremely explicit in his intentions of taking away free-will. How can you be set apart before birth, and then appointed to be a prophet without ever having consent? That's clearly not free-will.
| John 15:16 wrote: |
| You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. |
Ahh... another person being appointed. I'd personally want to deny the position, but I guess that's not an option.
I'm getting lazy, so I'll just hurry and put a few verses where predestination is stated and then leave the pondering of the old question "Can free will and predestination coexist" up to you. Have fun.
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| "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,..." (Eph. 1:3-5, NASB)
"And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified." (Rom. 8:28-30, NASB) "... but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; ..." (1Co. 2:7, NASB) "For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur." (Act. 4:27-28, NASB) |
He attempts to learn FORTRAN, but the compiler keeps complaining.
This question is the same as - what does a ten thousand kilogram guerrilla do?
Anything he wants to.
Or if in doubt ask Arnie he knows.
If you were God what you do?
After the physical creation, yeah, what is left but the rest? I would examine what I had come out of my work including the internet. Think I would be a happy camper but wouldn’t like someone ruining what is good and enjoyable so would do something positive in that area.
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Anything he wants to.
Or if in doubt ask Arnie he knows.
If you were God what you do?
After the physical creation, yeah, what is left but the rest? I would examine what I had come out of my work including the internet. Think I would be a happy camper but wouldn’t like someone ruining what is good and enjoyable so would do something positive in that area.
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| Or if in doubt ask Arnie he knows. |
Sorry, Frihost doubled my posting with credit of one posting.
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Wrong answer Arnie, come try again ...... Afaceinthematrix does not ramble, mathematicians rarely ramble, the guy obviously has studied the Bible thoroughly and he is corroborating his statements with evidence from the Bible .... so Arnie, what do you think of free will and can you refute some of Afaceinthematrix's statements?Well, I didn't read it either so no, I cannot.
Also, I'm not answering anyone. Except for you in this post, that is.
Also, I'm not answering anyone. Except for you in this post, that is.
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| Wrong answer Arnie, come try again |
| Arnie wrote: |
| Well, I didn't read it either so no, I cannot.
Also, I'm not answering anyone. |
Are you sure you have the free will to not answer any questions?
| Arnie wrote: | ||
| Well, I didn't read it either so no, I cannot.
Also, I'm not answering anyone. Except for you in this post, that is.
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That's a good answer
Afaceinthematrix brought up a major debate issue about Christians who argue that you have a choice to do right or a choice to do wrong. You have a free will to choose. But do we really have a free will according to the Bible when it says that God has already chosen those that will go to Heaven? I'm not as well-read as Afaceinthematrix but think that the Bible is taken too literally. It is not a scientific reference book. But a collection of chapters by a number of authors and the chapters have gone through numerous translations and changes. Some of the chapters also originated from word by mouth stories. I don't think we have a literal separate heaven or hell. Life can be heaven or hell as a state of being.
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Just a general remark to start off this second page, not in response to anyone in particular.
I'm not answering any more of your stupid questions!
I'm not answering any more of your stupid questions!
My god does whatever my imagination tells him to. 
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