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Should Bush pardon Rumsfeld from prosecution for war crimes?






Should Bush pardon Rumsfeld from prosecution for war crimes?
Yes
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
No
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
No and Bush should be charged too
55%
 55%  [ 5 ]
More investigation is needed.
22%
 22%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 9

handfleisch
The question must be asked now that this report has come out:
Quote:
A bipartisan panel of senators has concluded that former defense secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other top Bush administration officials bear direct responsibility for the harsh treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, and that their decisions led to more serious abuses in Iraq and elsewhere.

In the most comprehensive critique by Congress of the military's interrogation practices, the Senate Armed Services Committee issued a report yesterday that accuses Rumsfeld and his deputies of being the authors and chief promoters of harsh interrogation policies that disgraced the nation and undermined U.S. security. The report, released by Sens. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.), contends that Pentagon officials later tried to create a false impression that the policies were unrelated to acts of detainee abuse committed by members of the military.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/12/11/ST2008121101970.html
brokenadvice
You cannot pardon someone who hasn't been charged yet. The angry mob is going to wait until Obama is in office to start mass prosecution. The same thing could have happened in the last changeover: Bush could have started a massive investigation machine to investigate the practices of Clinton, but decided against it.
deanhills
Perhaps the United States have other more pressing priorities that need to be dealt with? All of it requiring positive thinking everywhere. Prosecuting people for historic acts seems to be a luxury right now and may detract from the very positive agenda Obama has set when he takes office in January. Along "yes we can" lines. No doubt boosting the morale of everyone is intrinsic in this, and going on persecution, not so sure how that will benefit everyone, except the lawyers that will line their pockets and the media who will have some material to sensationalize?
Voodoocat
Sorry, but just because a couple of U.S. Senators think that some prisoners were not treated as well as they might want in no way constitues war crimes. Get real! Lets do a comparison:

Guantanamo: Three meals a day, free copies of the Koran.
Saddam: Killed over 5000 Kurds (women, children, elders) with nerve gas in Halabja.

Guantanamo: Prisoners that no other nation on Earth wants to take back were dunked in water.
Saddam: Destruction of over 3000 Kurdish villages in the 70's.

Where would you rather be: in Guantanamo under President Bush or Abu Ghraib under Saddam (where thousands were executed for no other reason than they disagreed with Saddam).

War crimes? Get real.
handfleisch
brokenadvice wrote:
You cannot pardon someone who hasn't been charged yet.


Not sure about that. Ford pardoned Nixon for any and all crimes Nixon may have committed during his entire 1.5 terms in office, not just for the Watergate-related ones. So apparently Bush could pardon Rumsfeld and Gonzales and whomever of all crimes during their spree.
handfleisch
deanhills wrote:
Perhaps the United States have other more pressing priorities that need to be dealt with? All of it requiring positive thinking everywhere. Prosecuting people for historic acts seems to be a luxury right now and may detract from the very positive agenda Obama has set when he takes office in January. Along "yes we can" lines. No doubt boosting the morale of everyone is intrinsic in this, and going on persecution, not so sure how that will benefit everyone, except the lawyers that will line their pockets and the media who will have some material to sensationalize?


I understand your point and agree it might be too much of a negative distraction at this time. Still, I don't think it's a luxury to uphold the rule of law. Though it's very unlikely to happen, we can hope for change on that one. Maybe if a special prosecutor works on the case for a year and then starts prosecuting them in 2010.
atul2242
Get Real??

Well ! Saddam did whatever - He did not invade -rape and destroy another country.
deanhills
atul2242 wrote:
Get Real??

Well ! Saddam did whatever - He did not invade -rape and destroy another country.


No, he did all of that in his own country! A number of times, over and over again.
ocalhoun
atul2242 wrote:
Get Real??

Well ! Saddam did whatever - He did not invade -rape and destroy another country.

L O L!
Kuwait, anyone?
atul2242
America - Vietnam Afghanistan Iraq
Parkour_Jarrod
Nope and George should get the death sentence
bigt
brokenadvice wrote:
You cannot pardon someone who hasn't been charged yet. The angry mob is going to wait until Obama is in office to start mass prosecution. The same thing could have happened in the last changeover: Bush could have started a massive investigation machine to investigate the practices of Clinton, but decided against it.


I think the poll can probably be closed now since Bush can't pardon anyone now. The Dems. can talk all they want about mass prosecutions, but they probably don't want to open that box. The giant witch hunt would just be a huge waste of time and money and it would mean gov't would get even less done for fear of the next guy trying to "Monday Morning Quarterback" him. Now that Obama is President he'll probably settle down with some of that crazy talk.
lagoon
I think now its more about whether or not Obama should prosecute.

I don't think so, to be honest, unless it was found that they invaded because of their own interests.
SBCBC33
I can only pray for a day when the worst that our brave US soldiers face in captivity is some water being run over their noses, instigating a panic that is strictly psychological in nature.

Thank a solider for their service...they are heroes! If not for them, we have nothing...
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