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NY lawmaker seeks to prevent Bush pardons of “cronies”





handfleisch
NY lawmaker seeks to prevent Bush pardons of “cronies”

By Ken Herman | Friday, November 21, 2008, 03:24 PM

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2008/11/21/ny_lawmaker_see.html

Quote:
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York and chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties, has authored a resolution demanding that President Bush refrain from issuing “pre-emptive pardons of senior officials in his administration during the final 90 days of office.”

The resolution, Nadler says, is in response to Bush’s “widespread abuses of power and potentially criminal transgressions against our Constitution.”

The goal, he says, is to prevent “undeserved pardons of officials who may have been co-conspirators in the president’s unconstitutional policies, such as torture, illegal surveillance and curtailing of due process for defendants.”

“This resolution declares that we will not tolerate a last minute attempt by President Bush to shelter his cronies - cronies who may well be guilty of serious criminal offenses - from the full force of the law,” says Nadler


Here's the issue: "co-conspirators in the president’s unconstitutional policies, such as torture, illegal surveillance and curtailing of due process for defendants"

It's time to recover the USA's image as a leader in Human Rights. Blocking these pardons would be a good step.
Moonspider
handfleisch wrote:
NY lawmaker seeks to prevent Bush pardons of “cronies”

By Ken Herman | Friday, November 21, 2008, 03:24 PM

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2008/11/21/ny_lawmaker_see.html

Quote:
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York and chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties, has authored a resolution demanding that President Bush refrain from issuing “pre-emptive pardons of senior officials in his administration during the final 90 days of office.”

The resolution, Nadler says, is in response to Bush’s “widespread abuses of power and potentially criminal transgressions against our Constitution.”

The goal, he says, is to prevent “undeserved pardons of officials who may have been co-conspirators in the president’s unconstitutional policies, such as torture, illegal surveillance and curtailing of due process for defendants.”

“This resolution declares that we will not tolerate a last minute attempt by President Bush to shelter his cronies - cronies who may well be guilty of serious criminal offenses - from the full force of the law,” says Nadler


Here's the issue: "co-conspirators in the president’s unconstitutional policies, such as torture, illegal surveillance and curtailing of due process for defendants"

It's time to recover the USA's image as a leader in Human Rights. Blocking these pardons would be a good step.


Were not all of those actions approved by Congress (with the exception of interrogation techniques used by intelligence officers)? Are there any rumors that pardons are forthcoming? Sounds like political grand-standing to me since there has been no serious effort to charge anyone in the administration with any crimes yet. The likelihood of that happening after Obama's inauguration is even smaller. Representative Nadler is attempting to create an issue where none exists.

If Congress wishes to address the torture issue legitimately, all they need do is pass a law that makes the US Army Field Manual on Interrogation the law governing all U.S. interrogogations, military and intelligence. Hopefully they will, otherwise anything Obama does to change it may simply be overridden by another president, or even himself if he changes his mind.

Respectfully,
M
handfleisch
Moonspider wrote:
Were not all of those actions approved by Congress (with the exception of interrogation techniques used by intelligence officers)? Are there any rumors that pardons are forthcoming? Sounds like political grand-standing to me since there has been no serious effort to charge anyone in the administration with any crimes yet. The likelihood of that happening after Obama's inauguration is even smaller. Representative Nadler is attempting to create an issue where none exists.

If Congress wishes to address the torture issue legitimately, all they need do is pass a law that makes the US Army Field Manual on Interrogation the law governing all U.S. interrogogations, military and intelligence. Hopefully they will, otherwise anything Obama does to change it may simply be overridden by another president, or even himself if he changes his mind.

Respectfully,
M


Point about Congress approved: Yes I think so, though as you say, Congress didn't approve the torture.

Point about pardon rumors: Yes, there is such speculation, and don't forget that his father the first Pres. Bush pardoned all the guilty parties in the Iran-Contra scandal (thereby getting himself out of trouble) as he left office. He even timed it for Xmas so that most of us wouldn't notice.

Moonspider wrote:
Sounds like political grand-standing to me since there has been no serious effort to charge anyone in the administration with any crimes yet. ... Representative Nadler is attempting to create an issue where none exists.
That might be going a little too far. He might not be grandstanding as much as trying to keep the issue alive or trying to go on record for posterity's sake. The same way Rep. Conyers did in filing articles of impeachment for Bush -- he did it put it on record, for the history books, that we knew full well what was going on.
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